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12/13/2004 1:59:36 PM EDT
Okay, I know there is a lot of controversy about this, but I have one example.  I can't find a news link in any of the local paper

My grandfather is a retired county judge and long time advocate of RKBA and the NRA.

Every time there is a local news story about someone defending themselves with a gun, he clips the article and calls the person to congratulate them.

Back in 1995, a 71 year old man had two burglars break into his home in Emigration Canyon (a fairly rural area bordering Idaho).  He confronted them with a ruger 10/22 (better than nothing, right?).

Link to news story

When my grandpa called to talk to the man, he explained that when he confronted the two yound men, he had a bead on the forehead of the one in front, but he couldn't bring himself to kill him, so he shot him once in the thigh.  Of course, the article says that the other man fled and was later apprehended by police.

I just wonder what was going through that old mans head?  Obviously, he didn't want to have the death of that young man (punk burglar, maybe worse even) on his head.  When the unwounded accomplice fled, Mr. Struhs didn't know if that man would be able to seek retribution before being captured by the police.
12/13/2004 2:03:17 PM EDT
[#1]
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....


Myself, if someone broke into my place (which would require considerable force to accomplish), he'd catch a doubletap to center of mass from my .45.  If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.   I wouldn't care if he lives or dies, as long as he stops.  
12/13/2004 2:05:16 PM EDT
[#2]
Where was this...Utah???  The 71-year-old guy will not be charged...but he should have shot COM...
12/13/2004 2:06:39 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....
If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.



What's a mozambique followup?

googling right now...
12/13/2004 2:06:57 PM EDT
[#4]
To kill. Then to cotton field.
12/13/2004 2:08:53 PM EDT
[#5]
In AZ you'd be tried for murder if you killed an unarmed burglar in your home.

That being if you were both men of equal physical size.
12/13/2004 2:09:30 PM EDT
[#6]
It's likely that, although Struhs owned a gun, he probably never thought about how he would defend himself with it. You know, how in training you're taught to always go through "what if" scenarios so you would know "what would I do if..."

When the two BG's broke into his house, he smartly grabbed the gun for protection, but in his fear of the situation, and not having thought through the scenario... probably was just thinking "just get out of my house!!" It might be why although he first had a bead on the forehead, he lowered the rifle and ended up shooting a leg.

Or, he thought the head was too small a target and training caused him to lower the rifle and go for center mass, but just aimed low?

Those .22LR's might be small but they bark pretty loud. Good for Struhs!
12/13/2004 2:09:34 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....
If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.



What's a mozambique followup?

googling right now...



two to the body if they dont stop pop one in the brain.
12/13/2004 2:09:50 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....
If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.



What's a mozambique followup?

googling right now...



Mozambique drill.

AKA Failure to stop drill.

Two shots COM, one shot to the head.
12/13/2004 2:10:30 PM EDT
[#9]
old people are sentimental, most of the fight has been taken out of them and they dont want to kill someones son/grandson etc..
12/13/2004 2:16:16 PM EDT
[#10]
NC laws, you can shoot them through the door, if they enter, only if they are going to commit a felony.  

So, yell as loud as you can, NO, STOP, DONT HURT ME! Then shoot to protect yourself.  Give no comments to the police, tell them you need some time, you just had to the unthinkable, cops often take time off if they have just shot someone.  Then talk to your lawer,  if you have the audible witness hear you scream for your life, you have all corners covered.  Rule number 1, dont talk when the police arrive, tell them you need time to get your head straight.  Number 2 act concerned about your attacker, Number 3, dead cant sue.
12/13/2004 2:19:13 PM EDT
[#11]
good posting Mad, but acting concerned about the crook could show remorse??

and dead mans parents/families can sue.

CA has some laws where a felon cannot sue a homeowner, I think...
12/13/2004 2:21:01 PM EDT
[#12]
I have always said that I would not think twice about sending a BG to meet his maker, BUT, whether or not I would STK when the time came, nobody knows.................
12/13/2004 2:23:43 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....
If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.



What's a mozambique followup?

googling right now...



Mozambique drill.

AKA Failure to stop drill.

Two shots COM, one shot to the head.



not to be confused with the hammerhead.
two to the body and one to the head with NO Pause.
12/13/2004 2:53:28 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Nowadays, one would fear a lawsuit from the 'victim'....
If he didn't stop, it would be a Mozambique followup.



What's a mozambique followup?

googling right now...




www.kuci.uci.edu/~dany/firearms/jeff1_1.html


As time passes we discover that there are a good many readers who have not been to school and who are puzzled by our reference to "The Mozambique Drill."

I added The Mozambique Drill to the modern doctrine after hearing of an experience of a student of mine up in Mozambique when that country was abandoned. My friend was involved in the fighting that took place around the airport of Laurenco Marquez. At one point, Mike turned a corner was confronted by a terrorist carrying an AK47. The man was advancing toward him at a walk at a range of perhaps 10 paces. Mike, who was a good shot, came up with his P35 and planted two satisfactory hits, one on each side of the wishbone. He expected his adversary to drop, but nothing happened, and the man continued to close the range. At this point, our boy quite sensibly opted to go for the head and tried to do so, but he was a little bit upset by this time and mashed slightly on the trigger, catching the terrorist precisely between the collar bones and severing his spinal cord. This stopped the fight.

Upon analysis, it seemed to me that the pistolero should be accustomed to the idea of placing two shots amidships as fast as he can and then being prepared to change his point of aim if this achieves no results. Two shots amidships can be placed very quickly and very reliably and they will nearly always stop the fight providing a major-caliber pistol is used and the subject is not wearing body armor. However, simply chanting "two in the body, one in the head" oversimplifies matters, since it takes considerably longer to be absolutely sure of a head shot than it does to be quite sure of two shots in the thorax. The problem for the shooter is to change his pace, going just as fast as he can with his first pair, then, pausing to observe results or lack thereof, he must slow down and shoot precisely. This is not easy to do. The beginner tends to fire all three shots at the same speed, which is either too slow for the body shots or too fast for the head shot. This change of pace calls for concentration and coordination which can only be developed through practice.

Mike Rouseau was later killed in action in the Rhodesian War. May he rest in peace!
12/13/2004 3:43:49 PM EDT
[#15]

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Number 3, dead cant sue.



Neither can they come back to pay back the score against you and your family at any time, Neither can they continue to victimize for the rest of their lives, even if they spend the rest of their lives in prison, assaulting staff and costing the government literally millions of dollars to house, feed, PROTECT them from other inmates, and treat there medical problems for the rest of their VERY long lives.  The saying that only the good die young is too often true.