[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shooting range pricks....(rant) (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/4/2004 9:42:08 AM EDT
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I was at the shooting range yesterday to shoot the handgun and to shoot some turkey loads. I was on my way to go to the FAR part of the range to be by myself when this dip shit came up to me and he asked "Does you shotgun have buckshot?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick "Slugs?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick: "Well I am going to half to ask you not to shoot any shot shells here because the shot will ricochet and injure someone. At this time there were two guys shooting tactical 870's will buckshoot. I told the prick that he should have brought shooting glasses. THEN after I finished shooting everyone gave the all clear signal. I went downrange to grab my target and I took out my practice magazine and inserted the fully loaded mag with the carry loads, racked the slide to put one in chamber. I then holstered the gun and started my way back to the truck when this one dude ran over too me and said "When the range is clear you cannot load your weapon." I just kept walking and comletely ignored him. Must have been the full moon. |
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Quoted: I was at the shooting range yesterday to shoot the handgun and to shoot some turkey loads. I was on my way to go to the FAR part of the range to be by myself when this dip shit came up to me and he asked "Does you shotgun have buckshot?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick "Slugs?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick: "Well I am going to half to ask you not to shoot any shot shells here because the shot will ricochet and injure someone. At this time there were two guys shooting tactical 870's will buckshoot. I told the prick that he should have brought shooting glasses. THEN after I finished shooting everyone gave the all clear signal. I went downrange to grab my target and I took out my practice magazine and inserted the fully loaded mag with the carry loads, racked the slide to put one in chamber. I then holstered the gun and started my way back to the truck when this one dude ran over too me and said "When the range is clear you cannot load your weapon." I just kept walking and comletely ignored him. Must have been the full moon. Just so I have this straight. The line went cold, you went downrange and while down range inserted an fresh full mag into your pistol and chambered a round than re-holstered it. Is that correct? ETA: I ask because a "clear" range where I shoot means everyone has returned from down range and the line can be called hot at anytime. ok since things are alittle clearer I had to edit this yet again. |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER 4/4/2004 1:42:08 PM I went downrange to grab my target and I took out my practice magazine and inserted the fully loaded mag with the carry loads, racked the slide to put one in chamber. I then holstered the gun and started my way back to the truck when this one dude ran over too me and said "When the range is clear you cannot load your weapon." I just kept walking and comletely ignored him. What range was this, because I wanna make sure im not there when YOU are shooting, this has to be the most irresponsible act I have yet seen other than ADs. [rolleyes] |
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Quoted: Quoted: I was at the shooting range yesterday to shoot the handgun and to shoot some turkey loads. I was on my way to go to the FAR part of the range to be by myself when this dip shit came up to me and he asked "Does you shotgun have buckshot?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick "Slugs?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick: "Well I am going to half to ask you not to shoot any shot shells here because the shot will ricochet and injure someone. At this time there were two guys shooting tactical 870's will buckshoot. I told the prick that he should have brought shooting glasses. THEN after I finished shooting everyone gave the all clear signal. I went downrange to grab my target and I took out my practice magazine and inserted the fully loaded mag with the carry loads, racked the slide to put one in chamber. I then holstered the gun and started my way back to the truck when this one dude ran over too me and said "When the range is clear you cannot load your weapon." I just kept walking and comletely ignored him. Must have been the full moon. Just so I have this straight. The line went cold, you went downrange and while down range inserted an fresh full mag into your pistol and chambered a round than re-holstered it. Is that correct? No. Pardon my poor writing style. The range went cold. I went down range, grabbed my target went back to the line. Cleaned up my spent brass/trash ect. and then inserted the mag, chambered a round, holstered the gun, and was walking BACK to my truck when the guy confronted me |
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You are wrong on both counts. If a range officer or official tells you not to do something, and it is club policy, you can't do it, Period. You think he came up to you and was thinking "how can I screw up this guys day". No he would have said it to anyone. The touching, fondling, loading, and fornicating with guns is prohibited when the range is closed. This is a common and accepted rule at every range I have been to. I have had a number of range officials say a small comment to me about a thing or two, very minor. I smile, apoligize, say it won't happen again. They get their power trip, I keep my membership, and everyone is cool. Ranges are closing all the time. Soon you may be begging them for a membership. Remind me to never shoot with you. I suggest you take an NRA course and get the proper attitude. |
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There's two sides to every story. I am waiting for the day when we see a post like yours, and then 20 minutes later we see a similar post from the other side of the fence. Is this range public or private? Do you have to pay to get it? Are there established range officers there? |
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Quoted: I don't see anything wrong with what took place!! But I'm sure we are about to be educated by The "EXPERT'S"[rolleyes] He handled a firearm on the firing line while it was cold. Regardless of what you think VTHOKIESHOOTER, you were violating rules that everyone else was following. Sgtar15 |
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Quoted: I am 27. So do you think it is dangerous to go CCW? Because that is what I was doing. No problem with your right to go CCW, but whether your LE, Military, or civilian going downrange means your weapon is holstered. They give the all clear signal for a reason. You could have just as easily waited to get back to the line or to your truck to make your weapon hot again. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was at the shooting range yesterday to shoot the handgun and to shoot some turkey loads. I was on my way to go to the FAR part of the range to be by myself when this dip shit came up to me and he asked "Does you shotgun have buckshot?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick "Slugs?" Me: NO. I kept walking Prick: "Well I am going to half to ask you not to shoot any shot shells here because the shot will ricochet and injure someone. At this time there were two guys shooting tactical 870's will buckshoot. I told the prick that he should have brought shooting glasses. THEN after I finished shooting everyone gave the all clear signal. I went downrange to grab my target and I took out my practice magazine and inserted the fully loaded mag with the carry loads, racked the slide to put one in chamber. I then holstered the gun and started my way back to the truck when this one dude ran over too me and said "When the range is clear you cannot load your weapon." I just kept walking and comletely ignored him. Must have been the full moon. Just so I have this straight. The line went cold, you went downrange and while down range inserted an fresh full mag into your pistol and chambered a round than re-holstered it. Is that correct? No. Pardon my poor writing style. The range went cold. I went down range, grabbed my target went back to the line. Cleaned up my spent brass/trash ect. and then inserted the mag, chambered a round, holstered the gun, and was walking BACK to my truck when the guy confronted me Thanks for clearing that up. Was anyone still down range when you re-loaded yer gun though? I'm kind sensative about this issue because I was 2ft from catching a .223 round in the back because someone decided to fingerfuck their AR while the range was cold and a couple people, myself included were changing/pasting targets. He was one of them I'll do what I want type guys. As we were coming back to the line one of the other guys mentioned that they had to tell the guy once already that day not to touch his gun when the line was cold. I immediatly introduced my fist to his face upon getting back to the line. I had the urge to wrap the barrel of his AR around a post to, but it wasn't the guns fault so I just stuck with hitting it's asshat owner. So if I come off a little touchy about the topic ya know why. |
| FWIW, I would have at least waited until the line went hot before loading and holstering the weapon. And in all likelihood, I probably would have waited until I got to my vehicle. What you did may or may not have been safe - I can't say, I wasn't there. It certainly doesn't sound like it to me though. Regardless, at almost every range or shooting event I've ever been to, that would have been considered poor etiquette at the very least. Just remember, when you're shooting on someone else's property, safety is only part of the picture. If the rules are no shot, don't use shot. If the rules are don't load a weapon until the line is hot, obey it whether you like it or not. When you are in someone else's house, you abide by their rules and show proper respect. A shooting range is no different. |
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This seems kinda confusing. Tell me if I have it right. A cease fire was called, you and others went to inspect/retrieve targets. You returned, cleaned up the brass, The cease fire ended. You loaded the firearm, holstered and left. If so that seems just fine to me. still confusing so I will ask a few questions. 1. Was the range "HOT"(fire) or "COLD"(no fire) when you loaded up? 2. Were their people down range? 3. Did you load WHILE at the target downrange? |
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Quoted: Photoman No problem. [red]My handgun was loaded while people were downrange looking at targets.[/red] However, weapon was chambered holstered and inserted into waistband. Doing that wasn't anymore dangerous then if the range was live. [size=6][b]YOU SUCK!![/b][/size=6] |
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Quoted: This seems kinda confusing. Tell me if I have it right. A cease fire was called, you and others went to inspect/retrieve targets. You returned, cleaned up the brass, The cease fire ended. You loaded the firearm, holstered and left. If so that seems just fine to me. still confusing so I will ask a few questions. 1. Was the range "HOT"(fire) or "COLD"(no fire) when you loaded up? 2. Were their people down range? 3. Did you load WHILE at the target downrange? 1. Was the range "HOT"(fire) or "COLD"(no fire) when you loaded up? Cold 2. Were their people down range? Yes 3. Did you load WHILE at the target downrange? No |
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whats to say that when you were putting one in the pipe that the pistol wasn't going to accidentally touch off a high primer, fire out of battery, etc. when i shoot at the range, cold means cold. there is no lukewarm and there is no tolerace for a "one time exception" that one time, may be the one time shit happens and you put a round downrange and hit someone innocently pasting a target. |
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VTHOKIESHOOTER you aren't even supposed to handle your weapons to pack up and leave while the range is cold let alone make a weapon hot! The fact that you continue to defend this despicable behaviour speaks volumes to your character. As far as the shotgun goes if it was not a RSO and just a yahoo and you weren't breaking the rules of the range then I'd tell him to pound sand as well. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You're irresponsible for not listening to the RO and for not waiting until you got to your car to load the pistol. Kharn THERE ARE NO RANGE OFFICERS THERE. Listen. I guess this is a story of [red]"You had to be there"[/red] No thanks, Not if YOU were within 2 miles! |
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Quoted: Quoted: You're irresponsible for not listening to the RO and for not waiting until you got to your car to load the pistol. Kharn THERE ARE NO RANGE OFFICERS THERE. Listen. I guess this is a story of "You had to be there" No it's not. RSO or no you made a weapon hot during a cease fire. That is irresponsible. Why can't you get that and just admit you fucked up! |
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Quoted: VTHOKIESHOOTER you aren't even supposed to handle your weapons to pack up and leave while the range is cold let alone make a weapon hot! The fact that you continue to defend this despicable behaviour speaks volumes to your character. As far as the shotgun goes if it was not a RSO and just a yahoo and you weren't breaking the rules of the range then I'd tell him to pound sand as well. So I should have to walk down the live firing line and get pelted by brass? And yes I will continue to defend my actions because I, in no way presented a hazard to anyone. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're irresponsible for not listening to the RO and for not waiting until you got to your car to load the pistol. Kharn THERE ARE NO RANGE OFFICERS THERE. Listen. I guess this is a story of "You had to be there" No it's not. RSO or no you made a weapon hot during a cease fire. That is irresponsible. Why can't you get that and just admit you fucked up! What I don't understand is, what is the deference between having it loaded and holstered at the range while clear, and having it loaded and holstered while I am shopping at Wal-Mart? |
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Quoted: So I should have to walk down the live firing line and get pelted by brass?[red]yes![/red] And yes I will continue to defend my actions because I, in no way presented a hazard to anyone.[red]you really have no idea how deep you're digging it with the guys here. This sport does NOT need asshats like you.[/red] |
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Quoted: If you were preparing your ccw weapon for carry, I don't see what the big deal was. Of course, I don't frequent public ranges. Threads like this make me appreciate that I can/do walk out the back door and start shooting. THANK YOU! I really don't understand why so many people here have gotten their panties in a twist over it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're irresponsible for not listening to the RO and for not waiting until you got to your car to load the pistol. Kharn THERE ARE NO RANGE OFFICERS THERE. Listen. I guess this is a story of "You had to be there" No it's not. RSO or no you made a weapon hot during a cease fire. That is irresponsible. Why can't you get that and just admit you fucked up! What I don't understand is, what is the deference between having it loaded and holstered at the range while clear, and having it loaded and holstered while I am shopping at Wal-Mart? The difference is you were at a range where there is a lot of shooting going on. Nobody knows what other's experience level is so there are rules in place so nobody gets shot. As soon as people start ignoring rules people get shot. That's the same as saying "sure I pointed my weapon at him but it was unloaded!" You violated a safety rule. Period. |
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Quoted: What I don't understand is, what is the deference between having it loaded and holstered at the range while clear, and having it loaded and holstered while I am shopping at Wal-Mart? Loaded and holstered, you are right it shouldn't make a difference. However try going from unloaded to loaded in a Walmart.........There's a big difference as soon as you begin manipulating the weapon. Now why was slug/buck ok but shot loads weren't what is the deal there? |
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Quoted: Quoted: VTHOKIESHOOTER you aren't even supposed to handle your weapons to pack up and leave while the range is cold let alone make a weapon hot! The fact that you continue to defend this despicable behaviour speaks volumes to your character. As far as the shotgun goes if it was not a RSO and just a yahoo and you weren't breaking the rules of the range then I'd tell him to pound sand as well. So I should have to walk down the live firing line and get pelted by brass? And yes I will continue to defend my actions because I, in no way presented a hazard to anyone. you can pick up your brass anytime as long as you stay behind the firing line. You can pick it up in front of the line when the ranges is cold ( closed ) You can not load a weapon when the range is closed. This "you had to be there" is BS because this is a common sense rule and respectful of other shooters. Clearly you don't give a shit about anyone else there and have no pride in how you conduct yourself in public. Sometimes I don't agree with the club or RO but I can go home and act like a retard in solitary. Just admit you can see the the folly of your arguments and move on. Don't make the same mistake again. My guess is that you have "conflict" at work too. |
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Quoted: I'm kind sensative about this issue because I was 2ft from catching a .223 round in the back because someone decided to fingerfuck their AR while the range was cold and a couple people, myself included were changing/pasting targets. [RED][size=6]He was one of them I'll do what I want type guys.[/RED][/size=6] As we were coming back to the line one of the other guys mentioned that they had to tell the guy once already that day not to touch his gun when the line was cold. I immediatly introduced my fist to his face upon getting back to the line. I had the urge to wrap the barrel of his AR around a post to, but it wasn't the guns fault so I just stuck with hitting it's asshat owner. So if I come off a little touchy about the topic ya know why. |
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Quoted: What I don't understand is, what is the deference between having it loaded and holstered at the range while clear, and having it loaded and holstered while I am shopping at Wal-Mart? If you yourself can't honestly figure this out, please throw all your guns in a lake and never purchase another one. You are an accident waiting to happen and in this current political climate we cannot afford you. |
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Quoted: If you were preparing your ccw weapon for carry, I don't see what the big deal was. Of course, I don't frequent public ranges. Threads like this make me appreciate that I can/do walk out the back door and start shooting. The big deal is that if the line is cold- you aren't even supposed to handle your weapons to pack up and leave while the range is cold let alone make a weapon hot!-jtw2 |
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Reading this thread just makes me more glad than ever that I shoot on a damn good unsupervised, public range (usually with few or no people around). My safety is MY responsibility. If someone does something that I feel is unsafe, I remove myself from the situation, pronto. If you are at a supervised range with designated range officers and published rules then that's the way it is. You agreed to follow those rules by shooting under those conditions. I've had exactly ONE encounter with someone where I was doing something that was hazardous. The person that pointed it out was polite, professional and I understood instantly what I'd done wrong, apologized and stopped. I learned a valuable lesson and we all went home safe and I a little more aware that day. I'm appalled at our own Nazis here. If [b]VTHOKIESHOOTER[/b] made a mistake then politely point out exactly what he did and correct him (as some have). Calling him an ass, irresponsible, asking him to stay away from your range, telling him that he sucks and generally being snotty and righteous is NOT THE FUCKING WAY TO SUPOPORT YOUR FELLOW SHOOTERS AND EDUCATE THEM! [pissed] All that does is create another “us against them” situation in our own ranks! God, some of you act like you've never made a fucking mistake in your life. I've made plenty. Sometimes I was dead sure I was right and it turned out I wasn't. I've learned from them when someone pointed out the error of my ways and offered friendly guidance. When people act like righteous pricks guess what? It often reinforces the bad behavior. |
| VSHOOTER you're going to lose here unless you strap on the KNEE-PAD'S and BOW down to the "RANGE OFFICER" Even though none were present in your case. These guy's here can sometimes be like a pack of hungry wolves. I still don't think you did anything wrong. For a group who is so saftey concious you should have been at the last wisconsin shoot.....ALOT DON'T PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH.....WEATHER OR NOT YOU CAN HANDLE IT THAT'S THE TRUTH |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're irresponsible for not listening to the RO and for not waiting until you got to your car to load the pistol. Kharn THERE ARE NO RANGE OFFICERS THERE. Listen. I guess this is a story of "You had to be there" No it's not. RSO or no you made a weapon hot during a cease fire. That is irresponsible. Why can't you get that and just admit you fucked up! What I don't understand is, what is the deference between having it loaded and holstered at the range while clear, and having it loaded and holstered while I am shopping at Wal-Mart? The issue is you chambered a round on a COLD RANGE. Can you guarantee 100% that you would not accidentally discharge that weapon? The reason is SAFETY!! A Military Policeman at the base were I work accidentally discharged his weapon and shot his buddy in the leg when he fumbled loading it in a ready room… accidents happen!! The rules are for yours as well as others safety. Andy |
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Quoted: If you were preparing your ccw weapon for carry, I don't see what the big deal was. Of course, I don't frequent public ranges. Threads like this make me appreciate that I can/do walk out the back door and start shooting. [red][size=4]The big deal is that if the line is cold-you aren't even supposed to handle your weapons to pack up and leave while the range is cold let alone make a weapon hot!-jtw2[/size=4][/red] There, can you understand it now? Don't fucking touch your guns even if it's to case or holster them when the line has been declared COLD. It doesn't matter how far a-fucking-way you were from everyone else. IT ISN'T THAT FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND. Yes, I'm a little irritated because I have found myself looking down the barrel of some DUMBFUCK's rifle when he had a misfire, then turned it sideways at his bench to inspect it, and in doing so pointed it right at me as I was sitting at my bench. The situation is different, but the basic rules are the same... Now, the shotgun issue, I don't see any reason why the other guy was making a big deal. |