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1/24/2017 11:14:57 AM EDT
A coworker moved into a new house and the place has a workshop on the property that the previous owner used for woodworking. The shop came with the dust collection system in the photo, and my coworker has no interest in keeping it.

I have very limited knowledge of the systems but know that I need something for my fledgling hobby. Is this overkill for a garage set-up? What do the knowledgeable ones here think the value is?

Thanks

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1/24/2017 1:02:55 PM EDT
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Get it
1/24/2017 1:16:59 PM EDT
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The Dust Deputy is like $160 alone. Not sure what type of blower that is. I might offer $250-$300 for the setup depending on what I find about the blower.
1/24/2017 2:10:50 PM EDT
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The Dust Deputy is like $160 alone. Not sure what type of blower that is. I might offer $250-$300 for the setup depending on what I find about the blower.
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Yeah, he didn't give me a good picture of the blower so I'm not sure what I'd be working with......or if it even works.
1/24/2017 2:14:33 PM EDT
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Definitely not overkill that is perfect size.  Little small if you have a planer or jointer but just get a bigger bin and it will.be even better.

Agree with the guy above on price.


Here's a generic Chinese set up from ebay. Those blowers are usually all the same just different colors. My dad bought some set up similar and it is still going strong.

Ebay blower
1/24/2017 2:29:56 PM EDT
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Decent setup.

The cyclone dust separator (the cone shaped item) drops a large proportion of the dust and pieces.

If that discharge is outside the conditioned space it is going to waste  a lot of heated or cooled air.

A large filter bag would allow the air discharge to be in the same space.

Looks sized for a table saw, band saw, router table, smaller jointer, wood lathe.

A little on the small side for even a 10-12 inch planer, larger jointer, spindle shaper.

The Chinese one shown will allow cutoff pieces to enter the blower.
Often a problem with band saws, table saws, chop saws.
Anything that can separate off a smaller piece of wood as scrap.

A cyclone goes a long way to preventing it.
1/24/2017 2:43:22 PM EDT
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If that discharge is outside the conditioned space it is going to waste  a lot of heated or cooled air.

A large filter bag would allow the air discharge to be in the same space.
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A filter bag is what I was thinking as well, considering I'm not going to have the ability to vent anything outside (nor do I think I would want to even if I could).
1/24/2017 11:01:38 PM EDT
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That looks like a decent sized motor on the blower.  If its 2HP, it should be pulling some pretty good CFM.  A whole lot better than what I've got at the moment.
If the guy has no use for it, the $300 dollar range like someone else said would be fair, more than fair.   Look at what you pay for a system from Onieda or Penn State Industries.  A lot more than that.
1/25/2017 4:08:04 PM EDT
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Build a bigger dustbin and if you can put a window on it. You don't want that getting full and then finding it's way to the filter. That is an absolute mess to clean up.
1/25/2017 9:16:39 PM EDT
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Get as much of the ducting as possible too, as the price can start to add up for that as well.
1/26/2017 11:00:52 AM EDT
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The Dust Deputy is like $160 alone. Not sure what type of blower that is. I might offer $250-$300 for the setup depending on what I find about the blower.
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They are $100 on Amazon with a lower collection bucket and attachment hardware. May be adding this to my shop soon.
Here on Amazon

ETA: looks like different models but I'll leave my link.
1/26/2017 11:15:08 AM EDT
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They are $100 on Amazon with a lower collection bucket and attachment hardware. May be adding this to my shop soon.
Here on Amazon

ETA: looks like different models but I'll leave my link.
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The one you linked to is the Dust Deputy Jr. which is much smaller than the one in OP's picture.  I have one a DD Jr installed before my shop vac and it works great, but it doesn't have nearly the capacity as the full-sized unit.
1/26/2017 11:27:45 AM EDT
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The one you linked to is the Dust Deputy Jr. which is much smaller than the one in OP's picture.  I have one a DD Jr installed before my shop vac and it works great, but it doesn't have nearly the capacity as the full-sized unit.
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Thanks for the clarification and comments about the Jr. model. I need it for a table saw, sliding compound saw, and 6x48 sander...maybe some aux lines for local work on drill/bandsaw/small shaper/etc.
1/26/2017 5:49:10 PM EDT
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You can make your own dust separator, some PVC fittings and a large 55 gallon sealable container. Google thien baffle system, I modeled mine off of one of those and it works to perfection. After several years of use I still only have a couple cup fulls of debris in my DC bag. And usually only when I forget to empty the separator bin. I used a food grade 55 gallon drum. It has to be sealable.
1/26/2017 6:28:45 PM EDT
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adding some pics....







1/26/2017 6:57:07 PM EDT
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When I was doing my system I debated between making one of those or something like the DD. I ended up making a DD style separator and have been happy with it so far.

ETA: I think we've discussed this before.
1/26/2017 7:21:29 PM EDT
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When I was doing my system I debated between making one of those or something like the DD. I ended up making a DD style separator and have been happy with it so far.

ETA: I think we've discussed this before.
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Same principal, I just wanted to build one to see if I could. I need to empty the bin so I'll take a pic of the contents, it's been awhile.

And I think you are right about discussing this before!
1/26/2017 7:46:13 PM EDT
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I've since upgraded to an exhaust filter instead of the bag on top.
1/26/2017 7:50:14 PM EDT
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Sweet setup, I'd really prefer a see through bin but that wasn't cost effective at the time. Looks like you could replace that top with some acrylic and see through it. Not having a see through bin isn't a big deal though.
1/26/2017 8:24:37 PM EDT
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Sweet setup, I'd really prefer a see through bin but that wasn't cost effective at the time. Looks like you could replace that top with some acrylic and see through it. Not having a see through bin isn't a big deal though.
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Sweet setup, I'd really prefer a see through bin but that wasn't cost effective at the time. Looks like you could replace that top with some acrylic and see through it. Not having a see through bin isn't a big deal though.

I think I have a scrap piece of acrylic hiding somewhere. I could just make an inspection window to know when it's full. Sometimes I can see a shadow through the barrel, but it's not always a guarantee.
2/25/2017 10:40:40 AM EDT
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More dust collection help,

Shop info:
Outbuilding, 14'x16', insulated, finished, two windows, vaulted, 110/220v, all wood working (table, compound miter, band saws, drill press, 6x48 sander, small shaper/router unit, hand tools.

No collection at this time. May be able to put a full size unit outside if I build a slab and enclose. I may also go with a wall hung unit as this would fit above my compressor. (or put compressor and DC outside )

My biggest concern right now is the fine dust particles. I'm thinking of getting one of these:
Cealing Mount Air Filtration Unit (Jet shown for reference, others available)

Would fit in my vaulted area and I put an outlet up there when I built the shop.
Remote control, two-stage filtration 5 and 1 micron, plenty of CFM for my size shop. Still need to investigate the filter replacement/cleaning options to make sure it's $ effective.

Appreciate the input.
2/25/2017 7:20:38 PM EDT
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More dust collection help,

Shop info:
Outbuilding, 14'x16', insulated, finished, two windows, vaulted, 110/220v, all wood working (table, compound miter, band saws, drill press, 6x48 sander, small shaper/router unit, hand tools.

No collection at this time. May be able to put a full size unit outside if I build a slab and enclose. I may also go with a wall hung unit as this would fit above my compressor. (or put compressor and DC outside )

My biggest concern right now is the fine dust particles. I'm thinking of getting one of these:
Cealing Mount Air Filtration Unit (Jet shown for reference, others available)

Would fit in my vaulted area and I put an outlet up there when I built the shop.
Remote control, two-stage filtration 5 and 1 micron, plenty of CFM for my size shop. Still need to investigate the filter replacement/cleaning options to make sure it's $ effective.

Appreciate the input.
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In true ARF fashion, get both.

I've been planning on adding an air filtration unit to the shop, but have put it off for other things. I've found that the DC system does a great job of capturing the vast majority of chips/dust that my tools are currently producing. I've haven't rigged up a connection for my sanders yet, but that's on the list too.

So basically I went with the DC system before a filter system, as I felt that was were I got the biggest gain for my money.
2/26/2017 10:23:26 AM EDT
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I did! Well. I will. Ordered the Powertec wall hung unit whit 2.5 micron bag, hose, fittings. Amazon had a flash sale so I got it for $175 shipped (is now back to $238). Next will be a ceiling mount unit but looking at DIY options If I can pick up a squirrel cage fan cheap.
2/26/2017 1:41:08 PM EDT
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They have found that small particles are bad for your lungs. Venting outside helps with that. You either want a big collector to let the particles settle or to vent outside.
3/5/2017 11:28:34 PM EDT
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I did! Well. I will. Ordered the Powertec wall hung unit whit 2.5 micron bag, hose, fittings. Amazon had a flash sale so I got it for $175 shipped (is now back to $238). Next will be a ceiling mount unit but looking at DIY options If I can pick up a squirrel cage fan cheap.
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Update from this weekend, installed a general dust collection system for phase one, unit listed above. Still plan to mount a ceiling filtration unit.

Added a ledger in a corner of my small shop so the new unit sits above my compressor. It's wall hung. Plumed 4" line down the wall to an elbow and attached 10' flex direct to table saw...so much fun I added a "y" mid way and necked down to a shop vac hose (2.5"). This attaches to my shop and band saw, or near my sanding table with a quick clamp. No blast gate at this time but  plenty of suction on the 2.5" line without. I did cap the 2.5" so when the table saw runs it sucks...

Picked up a "foot/hand" switch at HF today for $11 shown on the wall in pic. Quick tap with the hand on/off and convenience is at hand. Really pleased to date. Can't believe I waited 25+ years to add this

Regarding grounding that seams to be an interesting topic on the wood forums...Is or isn't a problem, should run metal, ground ABS/PVC, etc. I ran a copper internal wire and grounded to the DC unit. I'll keep reading.

Pics of course



3/6/2017 2:27:06 PM EDT
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Adding a dust separator will save that filter.
3/6/2017 6:52:21 PM EDT
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Yup...I have the components on order. Will update when it's set up.
3/15/2017 7:05:58 PM EDT
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and....built my first blast gate from materials I had in the shop. I'll cut the 4" line and install tonight. Intended to cut suction to table saw so other branch(es) have dedicated dust collection.





and now installed with a simple old drawer knob
3/15/2017 10:02:32 PM EDT
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Looking good!