Posted: 5/22/2017 12:16:01 PM EDT
| Might sound silly, but what would all say is a respectable weight? Talking about seated dumbbell presses, say 6-8 reps. |
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So if you weigh 250lbs you should be able to press 125lb dumbbells? Quoted:
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bodyweight for press is pretty good imho. I can't do that much but i'm weak. |
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6-8 reps of that is 'way past "respectable" in my book. |
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Kind of what I was thinking. Most of the stronger guys I see in the gym are using between 60-100lb dumbbells for shoulder, incline, and flat presses. With the higher weight being used for flat bench. Quoted:
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6-8 reps of that is 'way past "respectable" in my book. |
| First of all do them standing or you're cheating yourself. Second, check out shoulder rehab workouts on BodyBuilding.com before you go too heavy, there are a few small muscles that you need to strengthen before you can handle heavy weight. Also, it will help your max bench. Whats respectable only matters to you and only you, so log all workouts. |
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Hell, strict shoulder pressing 60# 6-8 times is respectable IMO. By the way, you can't equate the weight of dumbbells w/ the same weight on a barbell. Dumbbells are harder. |
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First of all do them standing or you're cheating yourself. Second, check out shoulder rehab workouts on BodyBuilding.com before you go too heavy, there are a few small muscles that you need to strengthen before you can handle heavy weight. Also, it will help your max bench. Whats respectable only matters to you and only you, so log all workouts. |
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6-8 reps of that is 'way past "respectable" in my book. Quoted:
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bodyweight for press is pretty good imho. I can't do that much but i'm weak.  
On a forum where the average height is 6ft4, the average bench 350 for 10 without even a belt, and all their $80,000 vehicles were paid off in cash? A mere 200lb overhead press of any sort is quite simply pedestrian. I have a ton of shitty lifts and I'm a shitty athlete, but it's my favorite lift. 250lbs for 2 is my best
(I'm 225) Standing overhead That lift is hard, and easy to hurt yourself on imho. for me, 90s are spicy on that lift. 125lb dumbells, 6 to 8 reps? That would be a wild thing to see. Unheard of no, but heck the "would captian back-achne over there pass a piss test? What supplement do you think he's taking to get his skin all nice and thin like that" question(s) would float around.
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First of all do them standing or you're cheating yourself. Second, check out shoulder rehab workouts on BodyBuilding.com before you go too heavy, there are a few small muscles that you need to strengthen before you can handle heavy weight. Also, it will help your max bench. Whats respectable only matters to you and only you, so log all workouts. Stretch out your core a bit too, you'll need those to work when the heavy stuff gets over your head. Since doing that I haven't had major or minor "gym ouchie" from my favorite lift. As much as I enjoy going heavy, the lift seems to reward good form and activation of all the muscles, as well as volume of training - more than chasing a number. I say that as someone who did chase numbers. |
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How so? I would think sitting with your back against the seat would help keep proper form. Maybe I'm wrong. Quoted:
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First of all do them standing or you're cheating yourself. Second, check out shoulder rehab workouts on BodyBuilding.com before you go too heavy, there are a few small muscles that you need to strengthen before you can handle heavy weight. Also, it will help your max bench. Whats respectable only matters to you and only you, so log all workouts. You can also sit on the floor and press, which is even more difficult. But that's an entirely different thing. |
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Standing is more difficult because you don't have a stable surface bracing you. When standing, you make your own brace using your core, your glutes, your upper back muscles. That makes it generally more beneficial. But sitting is also sometimes good because you can load on more weight and put a little more pressure on your shoulders. You can also sit on the floor and press, which is even more difficult. But that's an entirely different thing. |
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Again, kind of what I was thinking. Using dumbbells engages all those secondary muscles, true? Quoted:
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Hell, strict shoulder pressing 60# 6-8 times is respectable IMO. By the way, you can't equate the weight of dumbbells w/ the same weight on a barbell. Dumbbells are harder. Try an Arnold press instead. If done properly, they will engage all three heads of the delts. |
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Not necessarily on a strict dumbbell press. I agree that dumbbell presses are harder than with a barbell, but they still don't always target the entire deltoid. Try an Arnold press instead. If done properly, they will engage all three heads of the delts. Quoted:
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Hell, strict shoulder pressing 60# 6-8 times is respectable IMO. By the way, you can't equate the weight of dumbbells w/ the same weight on a barbell. Dumbbells are harder. Try an Arnold press instead. If done properly, they will engage all three heads of the delts. |
| Today's workout routine, I'm training a friend of mine. We do the same routine but he does lighter weight. Started with back, I won't explain that since we're talking shoulders which I followed up with after. Three sets of Arnold presses seated, 35, 55 and then 65 lbs. dumbells, three sets of barbell raises on an incline bench, 50, 70 and then 90 lbs. side deltoid barbell raise each shoulder independently. 40, 30, 25 and then 20 lbs. Rear deltoids on the pec deck machine, alternating with rope pulls for the final sets. |
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Today for me was chest/shoulders/traps. Be gentle, I've only been lifting for a few months. All were 3 sets 6-8 reps per set:
Bench 135 155 155 ISO incline press 90 each arm(one of those machines you can do chest on one side and lat pull downs on the other) Incline dumbbell press 50 60 65 ISO shoulder press 140(its at an incline but I lay against the seat with my stomach instead of my back. Doesn't hurt my shoulders that way) Seated dumbbell press 55 Front raises with a 25lb weight but go all the way up to hit my lower traps as well Shrugs on smith machine 185 Dumbbell shrugs 65 Pulldowns 120 |
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Again, kind of what I was thinking. Using dumbbells engages all those secondary muscles, true? Quoted:
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Hell, strict shoulder pressing 60# 6-8 times is respectable IMO. By the way, you can't equate the weight of dumbbells w/ the same weight on a barbell. Dumbbells are harder. As far as weight, no idea. If you can BB press your body weight I would say you are doing just fine. I can't OHP my bodyweight, hopefully some day. |
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Standing is more difficult because you don't have a stable surface bracing you. When standing, you make your own brace using your core, your glutes, your upper back muscles. That makes it generally more beneficial. But sitting is also sometimes good because you can load on more weight and put a little more pressure on your shoulders. You can also sit on the floor and press, which is even more difficult. But that's an entirely different thing. I do them seated on the flat bench, unracking is annoying like that. |
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I wish I could do them standing, the ceilings in the basement are too low. I do them seated on the flat bench, unracking is annoying like that. |
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Today for me was chest/shoulders/traps. Be gentle, I've only been lifting for a few months. All were 3 sets 6-8 reps per set: Bench 135 155 155 ISO incline press 90 each arm(one of those machines you can do chest on one side and lat pull downs on the other) Incline dumbbell press 50 60 65 ISO shoulder press 140(its at an incline but I lay against the seat with my stomach instead of my back. Doesn't hurt my shoulders that way) Seated dumbbell press 55 Front raises with a 25lb weight but go all the way up to hit my lower traps as well Shrugs on smith machine 185 Dumbbell shrugs 65 Pulldowns 120 I've been using a hex bar for them and enjoy it over a straight bar. Also, don't worry about your lift numbers, we have all been there, keep progressing! |
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How do you like shrugs on the smith machine? I've been using a hex bar for them and enjoy it over a straight bar. Also, don't worry about your lift numbers, we have all been there, keep progressing! |
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Yesterday, I pressed (standing, strict overhead press with a barbell) 200 x 7, which ties a PR. BW = 200. I finished with a set of 155 x 17 which is a 3 rep PR.
I seriously doubt I could press 7 reps with 100# dumbbells. I'm not sure I could even get 1 rep with DBs. The closest I own are 95# dumbbells so I will try it in the near future. Getting the DBs into the rack position would be difficult. I've done 70# DB presses for 3 x 10 at a hotel before, with the last set for 12 AMRAP. Getting close to a 75# DB press for 17 reps seems like an outside chance, if I am really fresh. I own 75# dumbbells but not 80#. I'll give this a try in the near future too, just to experiment. |
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Scrolling through YouTube yesterday I ran across a video of James Harrison lifting. He was doing standing presses with 95-100lb dumbbells. If I can get up to seated presses with 75lb I think I'm doing alright 
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Standing is more difficult because you don't have a stable surface bracing you. When standing, you make your own brace using your core, your glutes, your upper back muscles. That makes it generally more beneficial. But sitting is also sometimes good because you can load on more weight and put a little more pressure on your shoulders. You can also sit on the floor and press, which is even more difficult. But that's an entirely different thing. Little muscles all the way to your toes. Note: I am performance training not body building |