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7/13/2005 9:35:33 AM EDT
I know a lot of y'all follow the space program.

Low Level Fuel sensor problem caused the head-cheese to call it off.


Scott
7/13/2005 9:37:09 AM EDT
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Low Level Fuel sensor problem caused the head-cheese to call it off.


Scott



Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.
7/13/2005 9:37:55 AM EDT
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Did they try tapping the gauge? Worked on my old Chrysler.
7/13/2005 9:39:24 AM EDT
[#3]
Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?
7/13/2005 9:39:27 AM EDT
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Why is the next launch time 3:28 tomorrow? Can't they run it down to the Ford dealer and get it fixed and then go up at night?
7/13/2005 9:40:26 AM EDT
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Ford can't fix anything that fast!!!
7/13/2005 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Ford can't fix anything that fast!!!




Then call AAA and bring it to your own shop! They will ship it a long way iirc.
7/13/2005 9:42:21 AM EDT
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Did they try tapping the gauge? Worked on my old Chrysler.



It will probably get traced back to a faulty .50 cent fuse......

Damn I was kinda looking forward to this, better off safe than sorry I guess.........
7/13/2005 9:45:16 AM EDT
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Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?



113.

Scott
7/13/2005 9:45:33 AM EDT
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Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?



113

This is STS-114.
7/13/2005 9:45:43 AM EDT
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Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?



This one is STS114, so by my math there were around 113 before this.

ETA:  Twenty seconds too slow.
7/13/2005 9:47:28 AM EDT
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I edited mine.  They don't go in order.  That's what I thought too, but upon double checking...

Look here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions#List_of_shuttle_flights
7/13/2005 9:47:54 AM EDT
[#12]
I am glad to see NASA is being conservative

plus I think the weather will be better



was the shuttle fueled at this time, cause pumping that stuff out for storage is a pain and a half
7/13/2005 9:51:53 AM EDT
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I edited mine.  They don't go in order.  That's what I thought too, but upon double checking...

Look here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions#List_of_shuttle_flights



The fox guy said this would be 114th launch. It seems like he is making 1/2 of this up.

BTW, this is a cool pic:
7/13/2005 9:53:00 AM EDT
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I edited mine.  They don't go in order.  That's what I thought too, but upon double checking...

Look here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions#List_of_shuttle_flights



The fox guy said this would be 114th launch. It seems like he is making 1/2 of this up.




Yeah, it is the 114th, but it's coincidence that it's also "STS-114."  That's all I was tryin to say.
7/13/2005 9:56:51 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  
7/13/2005 10:00:33 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.
7/13/2005 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy
7/13/2005 10:06:37 AM EDT
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Low Level Fuel sensor problem caused the head-cheese to call it off.


Scott



Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.



Shuttles don't use oil.  They use solid fuel and hydrogen/LOX.
7/13/2005 10:15:17 AM EDT
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Low Level Fuel sensor problem caused the head-cheese to call it off.


Scott



Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.



Shuttles don't use oil.  They use solid fuel and hydrogen/LOX.



And also monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide
7/13/2005 10:16:59 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy



How do you figure that? How is Brittan's space program?
7/13/2005 10:18:23 AM EDT
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Low Level Fuel sensor problem caused the head-cheese to call it off.


Scott



Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.



Shuttles don't use oil.  They use solid fuel and hydrogen/LOX.



And also monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide



And Slick 50. Heard so on the radio. Gets 200MPG from some secret carburetor that the government has suppressed. But seriously, anyone else get the sneaking suspicion that this "fuel gage problem" might be a latent Y2K issue?



7/13/2005 10:21:50 AM EDT
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Gets 200MPG from some secret carburetor that the government has suppressed.






I'll bet all the space shuttles go to fuel injection now.  
7/13/2005 10:24:43 AM EDT
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Was sitting in a little restaurant during lunch across the street from Johnson Space Center Houston (you know....."Houston, we have a....." ) where alot of NASA Nerds eat and lots of folks were disappointed.  Better safe than sorry.....
7/13/2005 10:28:43 AM EDT
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Was sitting in a little restaurant during lunch across the street from Johnson Space Center Houston (you know....."Houston, we have a....." ) where alot of NASA Nerds eat and lots of folks were disappointed.  Better safe than sorry.....



Johnson Space Center is an awesome place!
7/13/2005 10:33:04 AM EDT
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Did they try tapping the gauge? Worked on my old Chrysler.



7/13/2005 10:36:05 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy



I'd agree, and I'd also like to point out NASA's budget isn't what it used to be when it was 'cutting edge'.
7/13/2005 10:39:58 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy



How is Brittan's space program?




got anything insightful to contribute or just the usual redkneck comment?

oh and by the way It's spelled B R I T A I N.

And BTW… your Space Program was run and designed and a man put on the moon by G E R M A N S.
7/13/2005 10:42:50 AM EDT
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Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?



113.  This is STS-114

I think NASA needs to quit having mission that end in 13.
7/13/2005 10:43:11 AM EDT
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Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.




I guess it's better than having to get out and push half way through the mission. Triple A doesn't cover high earth orbit and beyond. I doubt they could handle monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, anyway. Will that fit in a regular 5 gallon gas can?
7/13/2005 10:50:32 AM EDT
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Was sitting in a little restaurant during lunch across the street from Johnson Space Center Houston (you know....."Houston, we have a....." ) where alot of NASA Nerds eat and lots of folks were disappointed.  Better safe than sorry.....



Johnson Space Center is an awesome place!



It's great.  And then they have Space Center Houston next door.  Lots of influence on the area schools......Needless to say most of them are National/State Exemplary Schools.  

7/13/2005 10:52:37 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy




How is Brittan's space program?




got anything insightful to contribute or just the usual redkneck comment?

oh and by the way It's spelled B R I T A I N.

And BTW… your Space Program was run and designed and a man put on the moon by G E R M A N S.



+1.  The same Germans that developed the V-2 rockets that caused havoc on your country in WWII.  We snatched them up before the Russians could.


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Whew. Crew dodged a bullet, for sure. Does anyone know the total # of shuttle flights to date (not including this one)?



113.  This is STS-114

I think NASA needs to quit having mission that end in 13.



You used to not be able to go by that.  The last shuttle mission (Columbia that burned up on re-entery) was STS-107.  I guess they skipped some numbers to bring up in line with the total
7/13/2005 10:54:39 AM EDT
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Shuttle out of gas. Dammit, the Oil Storm predictions are coming true.




I guess it's better than having to get out and push half way through the mission. Triple A doesn't cover high earth orbit and beyond. I doubt they could handle monomethyl hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, anyway. Will that fit in a regular 5 gallon gas can?



Hell yes it will fit!

Get good ones though, not that Walmart crap. CTD has surplus Israeli cans for $20 I just saved NA$A 50%

7/13/2005 10:56:39 AM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy




How is Brittan's space program?




got anything insightful to contribute or just the usual redkneck comment?

oh and by the way It's spelled B R I T A I N.

And BTW… your Space Program was run and designed and a man put on the moon by G E R M A N S.



+1.  The same Germans that developed the V-2 rockets that caused havoc on your country in WWII.  We snatched them up before the Russians could.






I call on this one.  You see inside every German is an American trying to get out....and seeing how these were newly acquired Americans.......it was Americans that put Americans in space (with German influence).
Wasn't long before the Haterade drinkers would creep out.
7/13/2005 11:04:42 AM EDT
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WHat is scary is that every single launch is plagued by some kind of malfunction.

They need to dumb these things down.

And go with an unmanned cheap space program that gradually builds itself up to the complexity of the space shuttles today.  THat way they can handle building these things.



7/13/2005 11:05:42 AM EDT
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The fuel sensors are built, when ordered, by a Chinese company and they cost $7,231.00 each so they don't keep any spares laying around.

You didn't really think they were going to launch it did you?

Yahoo! had a video on the helpers getting the crew members buckled into their Parachutes and then putting them into their seats. It was pretty informative but the idea of 'bailing' out of the Shuttle on Re-entry, or any other time for that matter, just doesn't seem like something that I would want to do!

BigDozer66
7/13/2005 11:09:44 AM EDT
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I couldn't care less about NASA.  We need more Burt Rutan's to come along and develop commercial uses for space travel.
7/13/2005 11:12:37 AM EDT
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Fox is reporting that the next possible launch will be on Monday according to their sources. They are off-loading the main fuel tanks now.

Two of the four redundant fuel sensors are malfunctioning. They are probably being overly cautious at this point.

ETA: After watching the NASA new conf. all  four redundant sensors are req. at liftoff or the mission has always been scrubbed.
7/13/2005 12:17:19 PM EDT
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Can we please privatize the space program already?  



People used to be proud of the USA's space program.



The USA's Space Program used to be 'cutting edge' everything was the best and no compromise… too many 'bean counters' involved now. Most of the problems and accidents come down to short sighted penny pinching cost cutting that ended up costing more in the end.

ANdy



How is Brittan's space program?




got anything insightful to contribute or just the usual redkneck comment?

oh and by the way It's spelled B R I T A I N.

And BTW… your Space Program was run and designed and a man put on the moon by G E R M A N S.



So what is wrong with Germans? (Of course I wasn't in England in the 1940's.) You still have not backed up your money comments.
7/13/2005 1:04:28 PM EDT
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I couldn't care less about NASA.  We need more Burt Rutan's to come along and develop commercial uses for space travel.



Now that is a recipe for pure disaster. It will only take one disastrous orbital or suborbital flight with passengers flying in one of his designs (and it will probably be the first passengered flight of his design that will end in disaster) and that will kill commercial spaceflight.
7/13/2005 1:22:51 PM EDT
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Now that is a recipe for pure disaster. It will only take one disastrous orbital or suborbital flight with passengers flying in one of his designs (and it will probably be the first passengered flight of his design that will end in disaster) and that will kill commercial spaceflight.



Oh BS!

We have airplanes crash (and have since the first days) and people still want to fly.

Most people who want to go to space would continue to do so anyway.  They know the risks - just as the Astronaughts know the risk.  We've had 2 shuttle disasters (one on launch and one on reentry) and still NASA turns away thousands of applicants for Astronaughts every year.
7/13/2005 1:26:24 PM EDT
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Now that is a recipe for pure disaster. It will only take one disastrous orbital or suborbital flight with passengers flying in one of his designs (and it will probably be the first passengered flight of his design that will end in disaster) and that will kill commercial spaceflight.



Oh BS!

We have airplanes crash (and have since the first days) and people still want to fly.

Most people who want to go to space would continue to do so anyway.  They know the risks - just as the Astronaughts know the risk.  We've had 2 shuttle disasters (one on launch and one on reentry) and still NASA turns away thousands of applicants for Astronaughts every year.



That's fine for people who want to fly...it is Rutan's recklessness that I am talking about. Their little SS1 damn near did not survive their suborbital flights.
7/13/2005 3:26:48 PM EDT
[#42]
Yeah, we need the government to develop space travel just like it invented and developed air travel...




Oh wait...
7/13/2005 3:33:11 PM EDT
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Now that is a recipe for pure disaster. It will only take one disastrous orbital or suborbital flight with passengers flying in one of his designs (and it will probably be the first passengered flight of his design that will end in disaster) and that will kill commercial spaceflight.



Oh BS!

We have airplanes crash (and have since the first days) and people still want to fly.

Most people who want to go to space would continue to do so anyway.  They know the risks - just as the Astronaughts know the risk.  We've had 2 shuttle disasters (one on launch and one on reentry) and still NASA turns away thousands of applicants for Astronaughts every year.



That's fine for people who want to fly...it is Rutan's recklessness that I am talking about. Their little SS1 damn near did not survive their suborbital flights.


It's a sad day in this country when bold men pushing the limits of technology are called reckless. What a nation of pussies we have become.
7/13/2005 3:40:12 PM EDT
[#44]
Rutan pushes the limits of safety and common sense. Notice how his engineers are usually those who cannot acquire clearances (they go to LM Aero, Northrop Grumman and Boeing) Sure, he is creative, but all else goes out the window. Coupled with the lowest paid composite workers in the Antelope Valley, and acft designs without safety in mind. There was a reason he sold his company off one time before, when he had 150+ lawsuits against him.

*sigh* You'd have to be fairly intimate with this industry to understand where we are coming from, in regards to Rutan's recklessness.
7/13/2005 3:52:01 PM EDT
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Did they try tapping the gauge? Worked on my old Chrysler.






maybe the restricter plate was clogged up!  
7/13/2005 5:06:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Hehe.. an audio clip from the Bill Dana show from the 1960s.

jose
7/13/2005 5:36:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Anyone know happens to the liquid oxygen when they delay the launch?  Does it go to waste or do they somehow recycle/reuse it?  If it goes to waste, how much $ did they flush down the toilet?  

7/13/2005 5:41:30 PM EDT
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Somebody wrote:

113.  This is STS-114

I think NASA needs to quit having mission that end in 13.



You used to not be able to go by that.  The last shuttle mission (Columbia that burned up on re-entery) was STS-107.  I guess they skipped some numbers to bring up in line with the total



I repeat; THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER...

7/13/2005 5:45:44 PM EDT
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Anyone know happens to the liquid oxygen when they delay the launch?  Does it go to waste or do they somehow recycle/reuse it?  If it goes to waste, how much $ did they flush down the toilet?  




600 grand (according to this 2000 piece on a scrub for Discovery)


After an hour of debate, mission managers decided the pin might fall or fly destructructively against the shuttle's fuselage or bounce into a rocket engine at lift off. Tuesday's scrub cost NASA $600,000 in lost rocket propellants.


www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/missions/sts-092/stories/20001010c.html