Posted: 8/24/2013 5:23:58 AM EDT
| have you guys seen this no way I will pay 299.99 for this brake its like a fancy A2!sintercore overpriced muzzle brake made of unobtanium! |
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison. 
I think one of the key things is this device is not cleared by the ATF. Sounds like a trap, or it's being marketed by a complete idiot. It's being marketed by a Marine sniper who is quite experienced with the AR platform. |
| the process is called selective laser sintering SLS. We have been looking into as an alternative to traditional machining where I work. The equipment is expensive, but the powdered material is about the same price as the same material in bar stock. the price is probably about right for the size part made in that machine, but it still makes no sense for the application |
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I'm so sick of muzzle devices, its as though the only innovation in the gun industry can come in the form of making a new brake that does nothing differently than any other.
People will treat it like the second coming of christ, charge an arm and a leg for it, but its stupid as can be. Though this company/site is a joke for charging 300 bucks, they're one of MANY in a long, long list of people make stupid devices that aren't providing anything new. |
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison.
So your purchase, nullifies all price differences between standard and cold hammer forged AR-15 barrels, throughout history? Unless prices between CHF and Standard AR15 barrels were always $20, kindly STFU. How about you take your own advice there tough guy. There's a big difference between comparing a $300 flash hider to a $10 A2, and a $240 standard barrel to a $310 CHF barrel which is the current price difference on BCM barrels. You saying the difference between the barrels in price is the same as this flash hider just makes you look like an idiot. You saying "STFU" in the tech forums like a little cry baby just makes you look like a hostile idiot. I have a cold hammer forged barrel that I only paid $20 more for, and it will pay for itself in extended life. You need a tissue? 
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If the internals are done well, this might be a fine "almost rich enough"man's KAC triple-tap.
While I can't afford it, I'm happy to pay a little extra for marginal improvement--i.e., I might pay $120 for a brake that i think is only 25% better than a $75 brake. While I think SF is the best brake, the PWS FSC was a better value and hides flash pretty well; however, I'd buy a Griffin m4-sd II comp or flash-comp over a battlecomp at twice the price for sure. BUT if I had money to blow, and I read reviews saying this was 30% better than an SF or BC, I might try it--just like people pay $300 to have their gun dipped in burnt bronze or 'disruptive grey'--to each his/her own. If i could afford it instead of Krylon, i'd try it--i don't need camo or a super-duper brake, but i'm glad people are using new materials and putting these products out there. I wish them luck--it looks to tame those full auto 7.5-10.3 inch barrels nicely. |
| I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. |
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. Iconel is VERY expensive material. Ask KAC or some of the suppressor manufacturer's out there. |
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^^^what he said. I work with this stuff, not only is it big$$$ to buy stock, its a pain in the ass to cut nicely. certain inserts to cut this stuff are big $$$ too not to mention the here and there crashes and general f ups that need to be covered.
eta: reply to " Inconel, that's why". |
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Inconel. Thats why the price Does it even work as a suppressor mount? Since it ships with a crush washer Im guessing no. Not sure why they bothered with that material. I believe it mentioned in the description that it matches the standard A2 dimensions, therefore accepting any suppressor that an A2 will. I'm guessing they went with Iconel to be cool and to follow KAC's success with it. Bad choice, IMO, but maybe I'll be wrong. |
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison.
I think one of the key things is this device is not cleared by the ATF. Sounds like a trap, or it's being marketed by a complete idiot. |
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison.
So your purchase, nullifies all price differences between standard and cold hammer forged AR-15 barrels, throughout history? Unless prices between CHF and Standard AR15 barrels were always $20, kindly STFU. |
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^^^what he said. I work with this stuff, not only is it big$$$ to buy stock, its a pain in the ass to cut nicely. certain inserts to cut this stuff are big $$$ too not to mention the here and there crashes and general f ups that need to be covered. eta: reply to " Inconel, that's why". This brake wasn't cut, it was printed out of inconel powder laser welded together, I'd imagine the powder still is quite pricey though. I'd like to see a cross section to see what they've done inside that a machined brake can't have done. |
For a $300 part the finishing looks like ass. Wait, $400 after pre-order period! 
http://www.engineering.com/3DPrinting/3DPrintingArticles/ArticleID/6103/The-First-Commercial-3D-Printed-Metal-Gun-Part.aspx It would have to offer a huge improvement over other brakes out there to even think about it. |
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Are you kidding me? This thing has a fancy name, is printed, made of Iconel, and is a damn near exact copy of a very successful muzzle device on the market. It'll sell like hotcakes! After all, it's ONLY $300 fuckin' dollars!  Quoted:
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Has got to be a joke. Are you kidding me? This thing has a fancy name, is printed, made of Iconel, and is a damn near exact copy of a very successful muzzle device on the market. It'll sell like hotcakes! After all, it's ONLY $300 fuckin' dollars! Buy two, they are small. |
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The brake has been cleared by the BATFE's Technology Division. It's expensive because it's 3D printed, primarily, and also because it's made of Inconel. After printing, there's significant lathe- and hand-work that contributes to its manufacturing costs. The finish is micro shot-peened and is not supposed to look smooth. This is primarily for enhancing surface fatigue life. The resulting dimples also cause light to scatter and reduce the possibility of glare. Internal schematics will be released soon in an article by a well-known media group. The internals are designed such that they couldn't be made using investment casting (0.010" wall thickness in places, for example) or machining (internal vents that a tool could not possibly move into and cut, for example), and this contributes to the brake's effectiveness. If you're happy with an A2, please stick with it. I'm not trying to convert anybody. This brake is designed for people with SBR's or AR pistols that want to have their cake, with reduced recoil and muzzle jump, and eat it too, with less concussion than other brakes. I'm the guy behind the discontinued NSN chin stock product (it was fortunately given an early death, prior to production) from last year and am interested in bringing out new tech and ruffling feathers. There's an interview and product review on TTAG found here if you didn't catch it. I won't be posting any more, as I don't want anybody to consider this advertising. Feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] if you have further questions. All the best, Neal |
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http://www.engineering.com/Portals/0/BlogFiles/3D%20Printing/0813/AUXAR3.jpg For a $300 part the finishing looks like ass. Wait, $400 after pre-order period!
http://www.engineering.com/3DPrinting/3DPrintingArticles/ArticleID/6103/The-First-Commercial-3D-Printed-Metal-Gun-Part.aspx It would have to offer a huge improvement over other brakes out there to even think about it. 
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So your purchase, nullifies all price differences between standard and cold hammer forged AR-15 barrels, throughout history? Unless prices between CHF and Standard AR15 barrels were always $20, kindly STFU. Quoted:
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison.
So your purchase, nullifies all price differences between standard and cold hammer forged AR-15 barrels, throughout history? Unless prices between CHF and Standard AR15 barrels were always $20, kindly STFU. Take your own advice tough guy. Comparing the difference between a $10 standard flash hider and this $300 example to the $70 difference between standard and CHF (current BCM) barrels just makes you look like you have an axe to grind. Saying STFU in the tech forums just makes you look like a cry baby. I paid $20 extra and got a cold hammer forged barrel made from FN M249 barrel steel. U mad bro? ETA: I see this is in GD now, so I'll say it outright. Saying a $70 difference in barrels is the same level of difference as $290 in a flash hider is fucking retarded. You sound like you have cold hammer forged penis envy, as it's not that big of a difference, especially one major enough for you to act like a little girl in the tech forums (where topic was moved from). |
This dude is full of retarded ideas! Look at his chin breaker/tooth chipper stock thingy
ETA: video of this contraption talk about going full retard! chin breaker/tooth chipper Endorsed by dentists everywhere lol! |
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Take your own advice tough guy. Comparing the difference between a $10 standard flash hider and this $300 example to the $70 difference between standard and CHF (current BCM) barrels just makes you look like you have an axe to grind. Saying STFU in the tech forums just makes you look like a cry baby. I paid $20 extra and got a cold hammer forged barrel made from FN M249 barrel steel. U mad bro? ETA: I see this is in GD now, so I'll say it outright. Saying a $70 difference in barrels is the same level of difference as $290 in a flash hider is fucking retarded. You sound like you have cold hammer forged penis envy, as it's not that big of a difference, especially one major enough for you to act like a little girl in the tech forums (where topic was moved from). Quoted:
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I really don't see that pricing any more ridiculous than cold hammer forged steel barrels. The cost of machinery adds on to the consumer price. I'm not sure how much inconel costs over carbon and stainless steel, but I'm pretty certain that industrial 3-D printers aren't cheap. I paid $20 more for my CHF barrel. What a terrible comparison.
So your purchase, nullifies all price differences between standard and cold hammer forged AR-15 barrels, throughout history? Unless prices between CHF and Standard AR15 barrels were always $20, kindly STFU. Take your own advice tough guy. Comparing the difference between a $10 standard flash hider and this $300 example to the $70 difference between standard and CHF (current BCM) barrels just makes you look like you have an axe to grind. Saying STFU in the tech forums just makes you look like a cry baby. I paid $20 extra and got a cold hammer forged barrel made from FN M249 barrel steel. U mad bro? ETA: I see this is in GD now, so I'll say it outright. Saying a $70 difference in barrels is the same level of difference as $290 in a flash hider is fucking retarded. You sound like you have cold hammer forged penis envy, as it's not that big of a difference, especially one major enough for you to act like a little girl in the tech forums (where topic was moved from). Nope. Getting butthurt because of your poor cognitive skills is fucking retarded. Did I not say in my first post the cost of machinery driving up consumer cost is ridiculous? |
I don't see the point of using an expensive, difficult to work material like Inconel for a muzzle brake...OK, so Inconel can take sustained high temps without failing. That's nice, your barrel will melt before the brake does
Maybe I'm not seeing something here...is there some property of Inconel (other than heat resistance) that makes for a superior brake? |
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One day I'm going to sell sets of pure synthetic ruby scope mounts with 0.00001" tolerances in matched pairs painted tactical black for $20,000 a pair.
Someone here will buy them. Most people, say about 99.87% of them, would be better off with $300 worth of ammo and practice shooting then another barrel device. |
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One day I'm going to sell sets of pure synthetic ruby scope mounts with 0.00001" tolerances in matched pairs painted tactical black for $20,000 a pair. Someone here will buy them. Most people, say about 99.87% of them, would be better off with $300 worth of ammo and practice shooting then another barrel device. I think 99% of people could not possibly improve more with $2,000 of practice ammo than with a $94.95 muzzle device. It's easier to control the gas with a properly designed muzzle device than to learn to wrestle it after the fact. The device in the thread could use external machining for appearance- especially at the $300 price point. It will need od ground geometry and machined grooves if it is to be used as a suppressor mount. The I'd bore is large so I'd expect low recoil reduction. |
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If it performs as advertised, then I'm interested. Email sent. http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m570/highrailjon/photo_zps64ca3fe4.jpg Your $300 would be better spent on a tax stamp and stock. |
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If it performs as advertised, then I'm interested. Email sent. http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m570/highrailjon/photo_zps64ca3fe4.jpg lolz. One born every minute. I do appreciate this company blazing the trail toward making 3d printed gun parts. And, it all honesty, I also appreciate the "early adopters" who just have to buy the first Gen everything, regardless of cost or value. They are paving the way for $299 3D printed AR's for the rest of us. 
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This dude is full of retarded ideas! Look at his chin breaker/tooth chipper stock thingy
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/screen_3-tm-tfb.jpeg ETA: video of this contraption talk about going full retard! chin breaker/tooth chipper Endorsed by dentists everywhere lol! That is just a fantastically bad idea. You could improve it greatly by extending the chin rest up and over then twisting it into a point that fits in your Eye socket. |
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