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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:27:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great question! We do run paper. And we’re within 150 air miles of home base. -BUT- We run dash cams that transmit all the HOS info and are now under strict orders to stay within the lines. Lawyers share that blame. Every time there’s been an incident, HOS records are one of the first things they want to see. Our paper logs and the camera’s timestamps need to be damn close to matching each other. Anymore seems like all the trucks now have cameras and telemetry in them. I used to hike trucks for Coca Cola, turn into a driveway too fast and my boss would get an email from their fleet manager. Pretty ridiculous. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:29:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to guess and it was just pulling video of a time when he was off duty but was actually driving. It's not going to be found in an audit but will be when video is subpoenaed by the PI attorney after a crash. That's how my Motive would work. Glider's are quickly becoming only an emissions thing and they are all getting old. All of the weigh stations have cameras these days. Fun fact, I tried to file a 0 mile KYU tax return a few quarters ago. Pop up on the screen said I couldn't because I had miles in KY, though I hadn't gone north of ATL. I called Kentucky and they had multiple Prepass hits tied to my DOT#, which ended up being an o/o that had previously been leased to me, but never updated his Prepass. I got it all cleared up, but the good old days of systems not talking to each other are gone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would lOVE to know which camera send HOS data. Seeing as how I work for one of the biggest out there in the game, I have never seen nor heard of a camera that can manage HOS algorithms. There are some that do breadcrumb trails, is that what you are referring to? Glider's are quickly becoming only an emissions thing and they are all getting old. All of the weigh stations have cameras these days. Fun fact, I tried to file a 0 mile KYU tax return a few quarters ago. Pop up on the screen said I couldn't because I had miles in KY, though I hadn't gone north of ATL. I called Kentucky and they had multiple Prepass hits tied to my DOT#, which ended up being an o/o that had previously been leased to me, but never updated his Prepass. I got it all cleared up, but the good old days of systems not talking to each other are gone. Sounds about right. Fucking IFTA, mainly the Oregon Comptroller, is getting really fucking difficult. they will want tracking data when doing an IFTA audit, going back 7 years or more. Most carriers do keep it that long, and a few ELD MFGs MAY store it. I think Samsara does. We partner with DriveWyze rather than PrePass. All the same, but DW does not have that stupid box in the windshield. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:29:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 34 hr reset I think was the best change overall, but PC is number 1 in the elog era. Back in the 10 hr driving/8 hr off paper days it was super easy to burn up 70 in 5 days of hard charging. Then you were forced to sit 3+ days to get time back or break out a second log book. I was inspected in GA recently and he made a few comments about my split logs (my run requires it) as he was trying to find fault. That's the only good thing about elogs, it will keep you out of trouble for errors. I just wish my company would enable us to use the SC&RA exemption for the 30 minute break when pulling permitted loads (for me that's about 90% of my loads) but our main terminal mostly does local taxi work so it's not a big deal to them. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:30:27 AM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, honest question: Given your profession and avatar.... How did Burt Reynolds maintain his youthful figure as a truck driver? Seriously, how do truck drivers exercise? Do truck stops have gyms now? Do smaller hotels? Or do you just exercise at home? My grandpa was an OTR trucker and managed to stay slim in the days before gyms were common, because he didn't eat much, but I think I'd struggle with eating out of bordeom.  You just put the gym in the truck. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:34:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never seen a glider that didn't have a pre 2000 engine. Yes you beat emissions, but you're a fool if you think a big motivation isn't the loose leaf paper logbook. Just FYI though, gliders were bought for emissions avoidance. It was pretty late in the glider popularity game when FMCSA realized they had an elog problem with the engines and changed the upcoming law to be based on engine date instead of truck build date. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:36:53 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, honest question: Given your profession and avatar.... How did Burt Reynolds maintain his youthful figure as a truck driver? Seriously, how do truck drivers exercise? Do truck stops have gyms now? Do smaller hotels? Or do you just exercise at home? My grandpa was an OTR trucker and managed to stay slim in the days before gyms were common, because he didn't eat much, but I think I'd struggle with eating out of bordeom. Food was a helluva lot better back then. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:39:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anymore seems like all the trucks now have cameras and telemetry in them. I used to hike trucks for Coca Cola, turn into a driveway too fast and my boss would get an email from their fleet manager. Pretty ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Great question! We do run paper. And we’re within 150 air miles of home base. -BUT- We run dash cams that transmit all the HOS info and are now under strict orders to stay within the lines. Lawyers share that blame. Every time there’s been an incident, HOS records are one of the first things they want to see. Our paper logs and the camera’s timestamps need to be damn close to matching each other. Anymore seems like all the trucks now have cameras and telemetry in them. I used to hike trucks for Coca Cola, turn into a driveway too fast and my boss would get an email from their fleet manager. Pretty ridiculous. You can get reported and penalized in virtually any yard for coming in hot. That's USDOT and the dispatcher isn't going to like it either. They will usually tell everybody that they know too. Everybody. The President and CEO will know if he's got that extension. You should know this by now. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:41:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, honest question: Given your profession and avatar.... How did Burt Reynolds maintain his youthful figure as a truck driver? Seriously, how do truck drivers exercise? Do truck stops have gyms now? Do smaller hotels? Or do you just exercise at home? My grandpa was an OTR trucker and managed to stay slim in the days before gyms were common, because he didn't eat much, but I think I'd struggle with eating out of bordeom. For me building and breaking down cranes is hard physical work and dragging a bunch of 20' Grade 70 chains gives you a workout. Hauling oversized loads is stressful as fuck these days and combined with the chain smoking it suppresses my appetite  |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:44:58 AM EST
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This must be why I see rigs sitting on the sides of roads and in parking lots. Someone is forced to sleep or screw around for 10 hours.
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:50:17 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This must be why I see rigs sitting on the sides of roads and in parking lots. Someone is forced to sleep or screw around for 10 hours. There is somewhat a way to get around that with a twenty four hour delay on your log book but if you get stopped you have about a fifty-fifty chance of not getting a citation and a point deduct so you better be a trained actor if that time ever comes. Sometimes, the troopers might cut you a huss and maybe not. Sometimes, it depends on how you act and what you say that can get you off without a penilty or just ask them where the next truck stop is so you can cab up there even if you know where it is. Your last several entries and pages need to be impeccable though. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:52:06 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just stretch between the seats. They’re pretty close together in this skinny cab KW. Been offered a new Pete with a sleeper, but I’m not surrendering this glider truck for one. She’s been too good to me. There’s a Hampton Inn close by than I can stay at, and I often do, but sometimes this is the better option. I knock 40 minutes off my 10 hour reset while unloading the tanker during that period since the truck isn’t moving. And the customer grants me access to their company F150. Used it last night to hit Wendy’s lol. And I have access to a clean bathroom, fridge, microwave here. I can park the rig at the hotel, but then I’m extra trapped unless I walk. And I don’t imagine there’s many on duty Uber drivers in this town. You may as well just drive cause 10 off in a day cab doesn't count without a motel receipt unless you are in the yard/at home. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:56:00 AM EST
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The problem isnt you OP, its the 40% of the other dummies who cant manage, drive, be safe and do stupid shit that made us all have to deal with this shit .Gov sandwich.
Ive got 145 trucks in my fleet. Its a fucking nightmare. Fuck the DOT |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:56:20 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This must be why I see rigs sitting on the sides of roads and in parking lots. Someone is forced to sleep or screw around for 10 hours. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:58:18 AM EST
[#14]
Are you loading from a National Cement Terminal near Atlanta? They stopped using AutoLoad (the software) years ago. I know because I used to install, upgrade, and troubleshoot it.
If you get paid based on a percent of your load value, dry cement is a good choice. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:58:29 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get reported and penalized in virtually any yard for coming in hot. That's USDOT and the dispatcher isn't going to like it either. They will usually tell everybody that they know. Everybody. You should know this. I’ve been driving trucks on and off for 20 years, my definition of hot is definitely different than corporate’s. Suffice to say I’m not too fast, just to them I am. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 9:59:01 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem isnt you OP, its the 40% of the other dummies who cant manage, drive, be safe and do stupid shit that made us all have to deal with this shit .Gov sandwich. Ive got 145 trucks in my fleet. Its a fucking nightmare. Fuck the DOT Do you guys do overweight stamps at all? I drove a 120k frac pump in the oilfield on a 52' long frac trailer as well. I've been in convoy and the whole crew got pulled over and somebody had pulled the old paperwork but forgot to put the current overweight stamps and verification statement back into its plastic sheath place on the inside drivers door. We all went back to the yard and home for the day after that. Fucking corporate. No telling how much it cost the company just for that. They blamed us though because it was our responsibility to check our paperwork every time we pre tripped in order to get the hell out of Dodge. Nobody got written up though. So be it. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:04:17 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You may as well just drive cause 10 off in a day cab doesn't count without a motel receipt unless you are in the yard/at home. Off Duty is off Duty, doesn't matter if I sleep at a friend's house, under a bridge, roll out a sleeping bag on the flat bed or sleep in a motel. If CMV officers are giving you grief over it I'd file a complaint, if they tried to put me out of service for the lack of a receipt we're damn sure fighting that one in court. ETA: My wife is a Compliance Officer for the State of Wyoming and is certified to do Level 3 inspections, hotel receipts to cover a reset is not required and has never been mentioned. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:20:26 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .. How did Burt Reynolds maintain his youthful figure as a truck driver? Seriously, how do truck drivers exercise? Do truck stops have gyms now? Do smaller hotels? Or do you just exercise at home?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:24:27 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been driving trucks on and off for 20 years, my definition of hot is definitely different than corporate’s. Suffice to say I’m not too fast, just to them I am. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can get reported and penalized in virtually any yard for coming in hot. That's USDOT and the dispatcher isn't going to like it either. They will usually tell everybody that they know. Everybody. You should know this. I’ve been driving trucks on and off for 20 years, my definition of hot is definitely different than corporate’s. Suffice to say I’m not too fast, just to them I am. If your talking about a fleet service department then sure. LOL In second all day or your acting very gay. 
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:26:04 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of them have 2000+ engines. If you've seen a C15 powered glider it most likely is a 2000+ engine as the engine only came out in 1999. There were a lot of 12.7 Detroits made post 2000 as well. Of course, all of these motors will have valve covers with 1999 dates. Just FYI though, gliders were bought for emissions avoidance. It was pretty late in the glider popularity game when FMCSA realized they had an elog problem with the engines and changed the upcoming law to be based on engine date instead of truck build date. I don't drive for a living but help my neighbor during harvest. I live in the middle of bull wagon and hopper bottom country. The guys I know avoid the eld like it's the plague. Most are running pre 2000 trucks still lots of outlaws in my area. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:33:21 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you loading from a National Cement Terminal near Atlanta? They stopped using AutoLoad (the software) years ago. I know because I used to install, upgrade, and troubleshoot it. If you get paid based on a percent of your load value, dry cement is a good choice. Nope, Holcim in Covington. Been to all the local National terminals though, except for the new one in Stockbridge. Been to Ragland, AL plenty of times too. We typically just call all of them “auto load,” just flows better than “self load kiosk.” |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:33:59 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The regulations are to keep everyone safe and to crush the economy. But mostly to keep everyone safe. I'm actually grateful for HOS. Last night I did 4 hours on a forklift loading my 3 trailers then did a 10 hour run. If not for them, most LTL companies (like the 1 I drive for) would have us work 18 hours a day, 6 days a week. "Be back here at your 10" is a common phrase heard around here. Meaning, drive home, eat, shower, sleep 6 hours, drive back to work and get back in your truck so the moment your 10 hour break is up you can start working again. The 10 reset shit should apply to OTR only. Not people who have to drive home then back to work. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:36:17 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like the customer is taking good care of you. Especially giving you access to a company pickup. I know guys who have it WAY worse running to locations where nobody cares if you live or die in the parking lot. Yep! Building rapport with a family owned small business makes a world of difference. We count on one another, so let’s make it flow. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:36:56 AM EST
[#24]
I’m good with your hours of service restrictions. No one is immune to driving drowsy.
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:40:26 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you doing driving a "Sand Can" son? I've woke all kinds of you guys up at daylight on a frac location for sure. Sometimes several in a row. I had a chance to do it myself because the company worked for had like seven or eight I don't remember now. I'm sure it beats swinging a hammer though. Hauling that dry bulk cement powder! Same equipment though, mostly. Our tanks that pump sand have steel discharge lines on them rather than the aluminum on my line. Sand will make short work of that aluminum. I don’t get too dirty. It’s an easy gig. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:44:01 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, honest question: Given your profession and avatar.... How did Burt Reynolds maintain his youthful figure as a truck driver? Seriously, how do truck drivers exercise? Do truck stops have gyms now? Do smaller hotels? Or do you just exercise at home? My grandpa was an OTR trucker and managed to stay slim in the days before gyms were common, because he didn't eat much, but I think I'd struggle with eating out of bordeom. Burt? Good genes and cocaine! I assume lol. I just try not to eat like shit all the time. Leftovers are a common option for me since I’m almost always home every day. Saves a ton of dough too. Any place who has the room to park trucks typically has high prices on food. Most of which is shit. Boredom eating is legit. I won’t keep chips and pretzels and the like in the truck. Because I WILL eat it all. I could stand to lose 15-20 lbs, and I should exercise more. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:44:07 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m good with your hours of service restrictions. No one is immune to driving drowsy. https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2019/07/truck_crash_GIF1.gif HoS regulations don't do anything to prevent people from driving while tired. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:47:12 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is west bound and down, loaded up and truckin’. He's gonna do, what they say can't be done. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 10:47:26 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gotcha. no, that POS camera does not give any HOS data, but it does create a "trip". Someone can very well bounce that moving data to your HOS. All manually. Actually, I cant call that cam a POS with a straight face. I can call Samsara a massive POS company tho. Funny thing is, you have all the hardware to enable HOS, so I am not sure why your carrier would not do it. As much as I hate the REQUIREMENT of the ELD, I do love the system. The data alone can help a company be more profitable. Sadly, the carriers are still in the Windows 2000 era (at best) of technology. Most are in the Win 98 era. I also get why they want one camera, but that is only telling 25% of the story. Why they are not running 3 cam systems is mind blowing. Then again, there are no ready made systems that are not WAY Overpriced. Sorry, I am in work mode.... LOL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Samsara. I’m not familiar with the system myself, just what I’ve heard. Anytime I talk to my dispatcher on the phone, I always ask him to tell me where I am and how fast I’m going. He can pull it up on command. They can tell enough that if it didn’t match your paper log or timesheet, somebody might get a phone call. I know there’s also an app that you can download on your phone that interfaces with that camera and allows full ELD. Some of our drivers choose to use that app Gotcha. no, that POS camera does not give any HOS data, but it does create a "trip". Someone can very well bounce that moving data to your HOS. All manually. Actually, I cant call that cam a POS with a straight face. I can call Samsara a massive POS company tho. Funny thing is, you have all the hardware to enable HOS, so I am not sure why your carrier would not do it. As much as I hate the REQUIREMENT of the ELD, I do love the system. The data alone can help a company be more profitable. Sadly, the carriers are still in the Windows 2000 era (at best) of technology. Most are in the Win 98 era. I also get why they want one camera, but that is only telling 25% of the story. Why they are not running 3 cam systems is mind blowing. Then again, there are no ready made systems that are not WAY Overpriced. Sorry, I am in work mode.... LOL I hear ya! Always glad to get info and learn wherever I can. Our cameras only look out, not in. And audio is not being recorded. Probably best that way, as I know my self talk out here could be… colorful. It’s cool that they can use the system to monitor mileage and therefore schedule services on the trucks accordingly. Fuel economy too. Fascinating stuff. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:01:30 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m glad those regs exist but they really ought to allow 15/9 or 16/8. Plenty of humans function 100% on less than 8 hours downtime per night, especially if you put them on a 3-5 day workweek. How would that be tested to verify that they are 100% at the end of 15 or 16 hours? My cross country travel day is now a maximum of about 450 miles. When I was going between Colorado and Michigan doing about 625 miles/day the last few hours were bad. Frequent rest stops. Getting groggy. Then I changed from two travel days to three and it is easy peasey now. Maybe two days was ok when I was 25 but I am mucho older now. Safety first. Plus now I don't travel at night. Plenty of rest stops for me and the pup and I still get to the hotel well before sunset. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:05:22 AM EST
[#31]
All you drivers need to go on and quit posting! It’s like working with my brother’s kids around here!!
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:18:04 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HoS regulations don't do anything to prevent people from driving while tired. Bullshit. Hours of service restricts the hours of operation and requires a mandated rest period before returning to work. Drivers and employers push the fuck out of the trucks and without hours of service restrictions there would be trucks running 24/7 with a single driver. My oil/gas employer required me to hold a Class A with tanker and hazmat for a decade. I’m quite familiar with the hours of service and the oil field exemptions to hours of service, reasons why it’s necessary, and the fraudulent logbook workarounds to drive outside of the regulations. Hours of service restrictions absolutely impose restrictions that prevent drivers and employers from doing stupid shit that overwork employees to exhaustion. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:30:36 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dashcams and GPS. One trucker I talked to said he will get a phone call if he is five over the speed limit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A bunch of us, myself included, ran like cowboys for a long time. Even after these cameras were installed. My books always looked great, but someone eventually looked into my camera timestamps and they “didn’t exactly” match up. I was basically politely told without being directly told, that it would be best if I didn’t run that way anymore lol. 10-4, now that I know you are all watching! Productivity and benefit to the customer, our company, and myself be damned. Liability, accountability, and PERCEIVED safety take precedence. Dashcams and GPS. One trucker I talked to said he will get a phone call if he is five over the speed limit. Ironic because picking up that phone call is a bigger violation than being 5 mph over the limit. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:31:29 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No sleeper and no hotel receipt? That’ll get you a ticket too. FObummer! He screwed us. Maybe GA DOTs are nicer but here in Texas you would get a ticket for that. Really? What violation is that, I'd love to see that statute. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:35:18 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? What violation is that, I'd love to see that statute. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No sleeper and no hotel receipt? That’ll get you a ticket too. FObummer! He screwed us. Maybe GA DOTs are nicer but here in Texas you would get a ticket for that. Really? What violation is that, I'd love to see that statute. in order to log "sleeper berth", the actual berth has to meet specific dimensions. A daycabber "used" to have to produce a motel receipt for any sleeper of rest break (including the 8 or 10 hours off duty). I am not sure that is a thing anymore on a federal level, but States can require it. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:36:14 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How would that be tested to verify that they are 100% at the end of 15 or 16 hours? My cross country travel day is now a maximum of about 450 miles. When I was going between Colorado and Michigan doing about 625 miles/day the last few hours were bad. Frequent rest stops. Getting groggy. Then I changed from two travel days to three and it is easy peasey now. Maybe two days ws ok when I was 25 but I am mucho older now. Safety first. Plus now I don't travel at night. Plenty of rest stops for me and the pup and I still get to the hotel well before sunset. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m glad those regs exist but they really ought to allow 15/9 or 16/8. Plenty of humans function 100% on less than 8 hours downtime per night, especially if you put them on a 3-5 day workweek. How would that be tested to verify that they are 100% at the end of 15 or 16 hours? My cross country travel day is now a maximum of about 450 miles. When I was going between Colorado and Michigan doing about 625 miles/day the last few hours were bad. Frequent rest stops. Getting groggy. Then I changed from two travel days to three and it is easy peasey now. Maybe two days ws ok when I was 25 but I am mucho older now. Safety first. Plus now I don't travel at night. Plenty of rest stops for me and the pup and I still get to the hotel well before sunset. I get what you are saying but the same would apply to people being 100% at 13 or 14 hrs when they can drive 14 hrs now. It is arbitrary number and its never going to be perfect. It is too much for some and not enough for others. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:36:57 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: in order to log "sleeper berth", the actual berth has to meet specific dimensions. A daycabber "used" to have to produce a motel receipt for any sleeper of rest break (including the 8 or 10 hours off duty). I am not sure that is a thing anymore on a federal level, but States can require it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No sleeper and no hotel receipt? That’ll get you a ticket too. FObummer! He screwed us. Maybe GA DOTs are nicer but here in Texas you would get a ticket for that. Really? What violation is that, I'd love to see that statute. in order to log "sleeper berth", the actual berth has to meet specific dimensions. A daycabber "used" to have to produce a motel receipt for any sleeper of rest break (including the 8 or 10 hours off duty). I am not sure that is a thing anymore on a federal level, but States can require it. Sounds like not federally required based on some of the posts here, but maybe a thing is some states. Its idiotic. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:37:31 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m glad those regs exist but they really ought to allow 15/9 or 16/8. Plenty of humans function 100% on less than 8 hours downtime per night, especially if you put them on a 3-5 day workweek. This. The days of drivers running on 4 hours of sleep are mostly over, fortunately. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:48:03 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A bunch of us, myself included, ran like cowboys for a long time. Even after these cameras were installed. My books always looked great, but someone eventually looked into my camera timestamps and they “didn’t exactly” match up. I was basically politely told without being directly told, that it would be best if I didn’t run that way anymore lol. 10-4, now that I know you are all watching! Productivity and benefit to the customer, our company, and myself be damned. Liability, accountability, and PERCEIVED safety take precedence. Without the regulation what YOU feel comfortable and capable of doing would be forced on drivers that could truly use the rest. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:49:46 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. The days of drivers running on 4 hours of sleep are mostly over, fortunately. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m glad those regs exist but they really ought to allow 15/9 or 16/8. Plenty of humans function 100% on less than 8 hours downtime per night, especially if you put them on a 3-5 day workweek. This. The days of drivers running on 4 hours of sleep are mostly over, fortunately. I don’t know how much faith I would put into that. Working unscheduled, irregular, random hours still takes its toll over time. Also known as chronic fatigue. You might be off for 10 hours, but your body may not have an established healthy circadian rhythm that allows itself to get more than four or five hours of sleep. And even that may be of questionable quality. It’s not like you can always just force yourself to sleep at will. Even worse, you might be awake for four or five or more hours before even going to work and have that factored into the time you’ve been awake, too. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:51:33 AM EST
[#41]
sorry, that sounds frustrating when i can occasionally be forced to work nearly 24hr straight taking care of patients.
do you typically run on i20 east or west of atl? |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 11:56:15 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t know how much faith I would put into that. Working unscheduled, irregular, random hours still takes its toll over time. Also known as chronic fatigue. You might be off for 10 hours, but your body may not have an established healthy circadian rhythm that allows itself to get more than four or five hours of sleep. And even that may be of questionable quality. It’s not like you can always just force yourself to sleep at will. Even worse, you might be awake for four or five or more hours before even going to work and have that factored into the time you’ve been awake, too. Yea HOS regulations are an imperfect "cookie cutter" solution that does not account for the fact that humans are not machines with an "on" and "off" switch. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 12:00:00 PM EST
[#43]
now i see you’re on east side of i20. be willing to bet i’ve passed you sometime.
out there often, past lake oconee. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 12:48:29 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. Hours of service restricts the hours of operation and requires a mandated rest period before returning to work. Drivers and employers push the fuck out of the trucks and without hours of service restrictions there would be trucks running 24/7 with a single driver. My oil/gas employer required me to hold a Class A with tanker and hazmat for a decade. I’m quite familiar with the hours of service and the oil field exemptions to hours of service, reasons why it’s necessary, and the fraudulent logbook workarounds to drive outside of the regulations. Hours of service restrictions absolutely impose restrictions that prevent drivers and employers from doing stupid shit that overwork employees to exhaustion. I'm very familiar with Hours of Service regulations. I used to drive and now I work in fleet management for a good-sized construction company that hauls our own equipment. HoS regulations ABSOLUTELY prevent companies from running drivers ragged, but ultimately the driver has the responsibility to rest if they're tired regardless of how much time they have left for the day. I think that mileage-only pay and the inability to stop the 14 hour clock are a huge part of the problem, but regulations don't actually prevent anything. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 1:33:02 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm very familiar with Hours of Service regulations. I used to drive and now I work in fleet management for a good-sized construction company that hauls our own equipment. HoS regulations ABSOLUTELY prevent companies from running drivers ragged, but ultimately the driver has the responsibility to rest if they're tired regardless of how much time they have left for the day. I think that mileage-only pay and the inability to stop the 14 hour clock are a huge part of the problem, but regulations don't actually prevent anything. I agree, sort of. The stricter regs came about from dumb drivers working for free while risking life and limb for NOTHING. I could tell some stories that started like this: "Can you make this 1,000 mile run overnight?" Whats in it for me? "huh?" Thats what I thought |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 1:41:00 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang dude. Us pilots are on 14 duty/10 rest with 10 hours actual flying allowed in a 24 hour period. I've done many 14 hour days with 10 hours flying, it's exhausting. I couldn't imagine being behind the wheel for 11 hours every day. How do truckers usually get paid? By the mile, flat rate per trip, or something else? I'm guessing not salary? I'm in the maritime industry and we also have work rest rules and have to maintain a logbook. They are less stringent, though, than for you guys. They also are not too heavily enforced and my employer willingly eats the fines as needed. I think we have some kind of approval to not be in full compliance, though, as I work a 6 and 6 2-watch system and work OT during my 6-hour periods off. Sometimes 18 hours plus a day. I remember one week I averaged 2.5 hours of sleep a day including naps. It can be hard to stay awake on lookout or helm duty sometimes, especially at night. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 1:53:01 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea HOS regulations are an imperfect "cookie cutter" solution that does not account for the fact that humans are not machines with an "on" and "off" switch. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t know how much faith I would put into that. Working unscheduled, irregular, random hours still takes its toll over time. Also known as chronic fatigue. You might be off for 10 hours, but your body may not have an established healthy circadian rhythm that allows itself to get more than four or five hours of sleep. And even that may be of questionable quality. It’s not like you can always just force yourself to sleep at will. Even worse, you might be awake for four or five or more hours before even going to work and have that factored into the time you’ve been awake, too. Yea HOS regulations are an imperfect "cookie cutter" solution that does not account for the fact that humans are not machines with an "on" and "off" switch. Yep, you guys are correct. My thread is all about just such an example. I was ready to roll, but couldn’t. Wide awake hours being wasted. And the flip side is the drivers that are forced to drive while tired because the ELD and dispatch tells them to keep on going. The on/off switch is a good analogy. I pushed my second load to tomorrow, because it’s ok to do so THIS time. I would’ve gotten it if I could’ve rolled out when I was ready this morning. But that’s a good bit of time to let ATL traffic get even more fucked up, and it’s time to go see the wife and kids at home. So I chose to put it off. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 1:54:03 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: now i see you’re on east side of i20. be willing to bet i’ve passed you sometime. out there often, past lake oconee. Yep! Every day, M-F. Between exits 93 and 169, back and forth. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 3:06:10 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, sort of. The stricter regs came about from dumb drivers working for free while risking life and limb for NOTHING. I could tell some stories that started like this: "Can you make this 1,000 mile run overnight?" Whats in it for me? "huh?" Thats what I thought I completely agree, but no amount of regulations will prevent all of that. Like I said, HoS regulations target the absolute worst drivers and compaines in the industry, but the good responsible ones are impacted by them all the same. |
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Posted: 6/12/2024 3:46:29 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I completely agree, but no amount of regulations will prevent all of that. Like I said, HoS regulations target the absolute worst drivers and compaines in the industry, but the good responsible ones are impacted by them all the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree, sort of. The stricter regs came about from dumb drivers working for free while risking life and limb for NOTHING. I could tell some stories that started like this: "Can you make this 1,000 mile run overnight?" Whats in it for me? "huh?" Thats what I thought I completely agree, but no amount of regulations will prevent all of that. Like I said, HoS regulations target the absolute worst drivers and compaines in the industry, but the good responsible ones are impacted by them all the same. It all sounds familiar, doesn’t it? “We can’t keep our hood rats from shooting each other at a wholesale rate, and we never will! So let’s enact gun control that fucks the guys who were doing nothing wrong in the first place! The shitbirds are still shitbirds, but we regulated them!” |
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