[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Slovak SBRs anybody? Grand Power STRIBOG pistol to be imported to US UPDATE 18APR19 (Page 13 of 23)
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Is there a side folding adapter for the SBA3 for this by chance? Just spitballing, here, as I am in Saudi and the odds of me being able to see one here, unless they win the SCW contract, are between zilch and nada. 
ETA: I don't know if it locks in the open position, but the UTG thing runs for about 15-20 bucks versus some of the more expensive, by an order of magnitude, options. https://leapers.com/index.php?act=prod_detail&midx=1450&allids=1448_1450&itemno=TL-K7FAD01 
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You can fit a UTG stock adaptor to a tube and mount the SBA3 on it, or you can get the SIG M-4 stock adapter that will fit on the Safety Harbor pic-rail rear end. Just spitballing, here, as I am in Saudi and the odds of me being able to see one here, unless they win the SCW contract, are between zilch and nada.
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At least you have access to tons of nightclubs, drinking, and slutting around.  You Go to hell and You die.avi   
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Yep, SBR with a B&T stock: https://i.imgur.com/ZomxPZIl.jpg Stock was mounted using a modified Scorpion EVO brace adapter. Started with this: https://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_100024267_2.jpg Shaved rear of Stribog back plate and drilled holes: https://i.imgur.com/7QCry4dl.jpg Reprofiled Scorpion adapter to more closely match Stribog's lines, drilled holes, and Cerakote'd: https://i.imgur.com/xe1rvrjl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sR8k4UGl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1kdeHWUl.jpg Got to use the brace for a whopping 3.5 weeks before my Form 1 came back; was really not expecting such a quick turnaround at the ATF. As it was in pistol format: https://i.imgur.com/kEnbcZZl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RZKEWSXl.jpg?1 @kpel308 - IM inbound Quoted:
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Registered SBR? Can we see the stock or brace you have on that? If it's still just a pistol, don't put a VFG on it, or else the ATF will claim it's an AOW. I know, stupid interpretation, but hey, it's the ATF. An angled foregrip is acceptable. Of course, they change their minds with the blowing of the wind, so... Glad you got the Geissele trigger to work, but not so happy about the magazine being unreliable. Please send me an IM with what the issues with it are, and if they go away with use. I will pass them to Jaro.https://i.imgur.com/ZomxPZIl.jpg Stock was mounted using a modified Scorpion EVO brace adapter. Started with this: https://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_100024267_2.jpg Shaved rear of Stribog back plate and drilled holes: https://i.imgur.com/7QCry4dl.jpg Reprofiled Scorpion adapter to more closely match Stribog's lines, drilled holes, and Cerakote'd: https://i.imgur.com/xe1rvrjl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sR8k4UGl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/1kdeHWUl.jpg Got to use the brace for a whopping 3.5 weeks before my Form 1 came back; was really not expecting such a quick turnaround at the ATF. As it was in pistol format: https://i.imgur.com/kEnbcZZl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RZKEWSXl.jpg?1 @kpel308 - IM inbound 
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Pic isn't working. Maybe that's the joke? Working now?
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Grand Power owner in Slovakia mentioned they are going to import the A3 models! If they start selling these and keep it around or under the $800 range, they are going to cut out a serious chunk of the PCC market. Nothing with that action is available for even twice that price... |
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Are we talking the actual A3 with roller-delayed blowback? If they start selling these and keep it around or under the $800 range, they are going to cut out a serious chunk of the PCC market. Nothing with that action is available for even twice that price... Quoted:
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Grand Power owner in Slovakia mentioned they are going to import the A3 models! If they start selling these and keep it around or under the $800 range, they are going to cut out a serious chunk of the PCC market. Nothing with that action is available for even twice that price... |
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I caught him at a good time. We were able to catch up on a few things, as well as the business aspect.
1: It will be a while for the delayed blowback SP9A3 and SP9A3S (the shorty version) to be imported, as Eagle had not initiated the process by ordering samples of the A3 models for approval by the ATF. Global has told Jaro that they will be starting the process ASAP. 2: The RSR9A3 16.5" 9mm carbine will be submitted to the ATF with an additional part riveted to the stock to prevent folding and provide a "thumbhole" profile so it can be imported with enough "sporting" features. It is hoped that this will be sufficient, rather than having to re-tool for a completely different stock. These are works in process, and may take some time. In the meantime, those models already approved by ATF will be imported immediately. Here are some images for the RSR9A3 and the "thumbhole" piece to be added to the stock: 
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Due to some confusion on my part about the A3 action, I had asked Jaro whether it was roller locked, or dual mass. In ARFCOM fashion, GET BOTH! It is dual mass, which already slows things down a mite, and when the second mass recoils, its retracts the rollers. When it goes back into battery, it extends the rollers. Cool, huh?
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Is there a side folding adapter for the SBA3 for this by chance? Get the picatinny rear plate from Safety Harbor: https://www.safetyharborfirearms.com/products/accessories/product/85-stribog-sp3a1?search=stribog Then add the 1913 folding "knuckle" adapter from Sig: https://www.sigsauer.com/store/sig-sauer-stock-adapter-1913-interface-folding-knuckle.html Not the cheapest solution, but it looks like it should be fairly low-profile. |
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Well that’s interesting. I wonder what Eagle is going to do with all the spare parts they had listed? I had a whole cart full of spare parts on their website when everything disappeared, so I called in this morning to see what was up. She had to put me on hold to go check, but effective immediately they are no longer offering any Grand Power products at all - not even the stuff they had in stock. |
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Quoted: Apparently they are sending everything back. I had a whole cart full of spare parts on their website when everything disappeared, so I called in this morning to see what was up. She had to put me on hold to go check, but effective immediately they are no longer offering any Grand Power products at all - not even the stuff they had in stock.
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Apparently they are sending everything back. I had a whole cart full of spare parts on their website when everything disappeared, so I called in this morning to see what was up. She had to put me on hold to go check, but effective immediately they are no longer offering any Grand Power products at all - not even the stuff they had in stock. |
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I posted this on the previous page but here it is again:
Here’s a look at the roller delay function on the A3 model, it’s actually up above the action (on the dual mass), pretty simple system but the bars (circled in red) apparently are somehow connected to or by the barrel-these photos are from the Stribog owner’s group on Facebook 
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I posted this on the previous page but here it is again: Here’s a look at the roller delay function on the A3 model, it’s actually up above the action (on the dual mass), pretty simple system but the bars (circled in red) apparently are somehow connected to or by the barrel-these photos are from the Stribog owner’s group on Facebook http://i.imgur.com/G8W6Crjl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SuqRLgxl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k8ENXhhl.jpg
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Anyone know what the price differences between the A1 and A3 are in Europe? Trying to decide if I want to wait for the A3 or just get the non-recip drop in. Eagle imports sure seem like solid guys, but as this divorce finishes up, it’s kinda making sense why Grand Power is choosing to go a separate direction. Sometimes brands get neglected if an importer’s portfolio is huge. They are probably going to get a lot more attention at Global Ordinance, instead of competing with brands like Bersa in getting their distributor’s attention. |
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Thank you for reminding me. I forgot to mention that Jaro says the A3 will cost about 200 dollars more, but SHOULD still come in under the magic 1000 dollar number. That, of course, is up to Global Ordnance, their distributors, and what the market will bear.
One thing about the portfolio: I went to the GO website and saw how many brands they carry. It's quite a few.
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Quoted: Apparently they are sending everything back. I had a whole cart full of spare parts on their website when everything disappeared, so I called in this morning to see what was up. She had to put me on hold to go check, but effective immediately they are no longer offering any Grand Power products at all - not even the stuff they had in stock. I really do hope G-O has a similar setup in terms of access to ordering parts. Eagle's website was great about that. |
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I finally got to handle one today and will say, seems to be well made. I didn't care for the bolt release as much, hopefully an aftermarket one will be available soon (cough, cough HBI, cough, cough).
Local shop had one new on sale for $600, normally $749. May have to go back to get it tomorrow, not sure yet. |
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I finally got to handle one today and will say, seems to be well made. I didn't care for the bolt release as much, hopefully an aftermarket one will be available soon (cough, cough HBI, cough, cough). Local shop had one new on sale for $600, normally $749. May have to go back to get it tomorrow, not sure yet. |
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Quoted: Reprofiled Scorpion adapter to more closely match Stribog's lines, drilled holes, and Cerakote’d: https://i.imgur.com/xe1rvrjl.jpg |
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Thanks for posting. Can you please verify which Scorpion adapter you used for this modification? |
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Quoted: Wouldn’t matter, the Stribog is a much better made gun. Shot one a couple weeks ago and want an A3 of my own, so not knocking the gun. But I hardly think it's "much better made" than anything from CZ. |
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What the Stribog needs is an aluminum lower that'll take AR grips and Colt 9mm mags. ETA: The original prototype was aluminum and took AR furniture. Cost savings over time with the poly lower bid adieu to that. For folks who like customization, I can see a market for an aluminum lower, as it wouldn't be the actual "firearm". |
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Quoted: Lol. Please, by all means. How is it much better made? Be specific. Shot one a couple weeks ago and want an A3 of my own, so not knocking the gun. But I hardly think it's "much better made" than anything from CZ. Just IMHO: Better trigger. Better safety. Softer recoil. Greater accuracy. Better fit and finish.!I prefer the CZ’s sights, although, the Stribog’s aren’t bad. I like that the CZ comes stock with a handstop. But I way, way prefer the Stribog handgaurd. Sleek, aluminum, and with M-lok, vs CZ’s over-Picatinny’d plastic monstrosity. |
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Just read on Stribog owners group on Facebook that they are almost complete with metal reinforced feed lip magazines, hopefully we see those this year |
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went in search for one of these and found one. Ordered the Safety Harbor adapter and trying to find sig minimalist stock. I started my Form 1 on her and will finish it tomorrow and submit. It should make an interesting SBR but I think there will need to be some work go down to get it 922 compliant. I am thinking for US parts: HBI Bolt with non reciprocal charging handle Safety Harbor rear trunnion Larue or Big G trigger group Sig Stock |
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went in search for one of these and found one. Ordered the Safety Harbor adapter and trying to find sig minimalist stock. I started my Form 1 on her and will finish it tomorrow and submit. It should make an interesting SBR but I think there will need to be some work go down to get it 922 compliant. I am thinking for US parts: HBI Bolt with non reciprocal charging handle Safety Harbor rear trunnion Larue or Big G trigger group Sig Stock Of the 20 parts ATF has listed, an SP9A1 SBR would have 13 (so replacement of 3 with US manufactured parts to meet the 'no more than 10 imported parts' stipulation) "IMPORTED" PARTS STRIBOG HAS/USES: (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings (2) Bolts (3) Pistol grips (4) Magazine bodies (5) Followers (6) Floorplates (7) Barrels (8) Mounting blocks (trunions) (9) Butt stocks (10) Trigger housings (11) Triggers (12) Hammers (13) Disconnectors STRIBOG DOESN'T HAVE OR USE THE FOLLOWING: (14) Sears (15) Barrel extensions (16) Muzzle attachments (17) Bolt carriers (18) Operating rods (19) Gas pistons (20) Forearms, hand guards |
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I posted this on the previous page but here it is again: Here’s a look at the roller delay function on the A3 model, it’s actually up above the action (on the dual mass), pretty simple system but the bars (circled in red) apparently are somehow connected to or by the barrel-these photos are from the Stribog owner’s group on Facebook http://i.imgur.com/G8W6Crjl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SuqRLgxl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/k8ENXhhl.jpg I, too, would love a lower that takes B&T mags; they are an excellent polymer version of the proven Uzi/Colt pattern steel magazine, which has performed excellently for like 25 years now (since the Steyr TMP days). The Scorpion mag would also be a good choice since the Stribog is not constrained by a through-grip magwell. Personally, I'd love to see the burgeoning PCC industry begin to coalesce around B&T's for straight-stick or through-grip designs, and Scorpion mags for curved stick/drum needs (we also need a Scorpion drum, obviously). Glock mags are simply too crummy a compromise for this application to be the default option for so many designers, and while the Stribog mag may be good, it certainly doesn't hold any advantage over the Steyr/B&T pattern (unless it's just B&T being dicks about licensing or something). Get Magpul to make a B&T pattern mag, and I don't think anyone would be dissapointed to use it in their gun designs; but since they are making Scorp mags today, that'd be the smart play for a mag compatibility change. |