Warning

 

Close

Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Confirm Cancel
BCM
User Panel

Site Notices
Posted: 9/30/2024 3:07:24 AM EST
I’ve noticed two parallel tracks of the slow creep toward both war with China and UFO disclosure. Both seem to be on track to major events by 2027. Anybody else wonder about a link and if a major war catastrophe might be attracting a future UFO arrival / observation?

They never stepped in to get involved in mass casualty war events in the past (that we know of). Is it possible they’re coming to witness (or intervene) in a species ending nuclear exchange they know is coming?
Link Posted: 9/30/2024 10:15:44 AM EST
[#1]
I'll add a couple other options.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get access to classified programs for their Chicom masters.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get the Chicoms to believe disinformation they are pushing through the disclosure movement.

It happened during the Cold War.
Link Posted: 10/1/2024 6:59:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: TLD05] [#2]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Herc:
I'll add a couple other options.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get access to classified programs for their Chicom masters.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get the Chicoms to believe disinformation they are pushing through the disclosure movement.

It happened during the Cold War.
View Quote


I'm of the opinion most of the insiders trying to pry out the UFO subject are only interested in liberating the tech involved for personal benefit under the guise/parallel track of "helping humanity ".

The insiders are so unconcerned with reality of if or not we are alone they usually don't address it in any cognitive way except to admit it's "from somewhere else" and to get together and think of reasons why informing everyone of reality would destabilize everything so no news is good news.

It's 100% a tech grab but IMO not because they want to hand it over to enemies, even though that inevitable would happen.
Which launches a few new spinoff questions when considering FTL spaceships are time machines, if the stuff ever did totally get into the wild, wouldn't we know it?
Link Posted: 10/1/2024 7:49:52 PM EST
[#3]
I am under the impression that many of the 'loudest' politicians arguing for the release of classified documents pertaining to UFO's are in China's back pocket so to speak. Certainly not all of them, but a bunch are. Once a secret is released, it can never be put back into it's box. I don't think all of these secrets should be 'opened' any time soon. It would be incredibly stupid at this moment in time to do so, as war certainly appears to be creeping up on us.
Link Posted: 10/1/2024 11:34:47 PM EST
[#4]
Link Posted: 10/2/2024 12:19:11 PM EST
[#5]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By brass:


Considering all the SAP level info handed over to China under Obama family, I don't think they could gleam much.

Besides, there's a whole lot  of information and videos which could be released with zero impact on our national defense position.  

View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By Herc:
I'll add a couple other options.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get access to classified programs for their Chicom masters.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get the Chicoms to believe disinformation they are pushing through the disclosure movement.

It happened during the Cold War.


Considering all the SAP level info handed over to China under Obama family, I don't think they could gleam much.

Besides, there's a whole lot  of information and videos which could be released with zero impact on our national defense position.  

And that works both ways... some other countries seem to be pretty forthcoming with their UAP info, but I don't think that Russia and China are among them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2024 1:00:12 PM EST
[#6]
I remember reading somewhere (could have been semi-legit, or total horse poop), but they said flat out the US had reverse engineered a few things important enough to, "Never worry about losing a war again," (or something along the effects of that).

Would certainly add impetus to that thought.
Link Posted: 10/2/2024 6:33:53 PM EST
[#7]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Herc:
I'll add a couple other options.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get access to classified programs for their Chicom masters.

People pushing UAP's are trying to get the Chicoms to believe disinformation they are pushing through the disclosure movement.

It happened during the Cold War.
View Quote


All of that is possible. And it may be running parallel to another issue. Massive government fraud and theft of government property, that the people committing it thought would be glossed over when it all shook out.
Link Posted: 10/3/2024 2:25:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: ExFed1811] [#8]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By freewilly:
I am under the impression that many of the 'loudest' politicians arguing for the release of classified documents pertaining to UFO's are in China's back pocket so to speak. Certainly not all of them, but a bunch are. Once a secret is released, it can never be put back into it's box. I don't think all of these secrets should be 'opened' any time soon. It would be incredibly stupid at this moment in time to do so, as war certainly appears to be creeping up on us.
View Quote


And, on the other shoe, most of the politicians arguing the strongest for continued secrecy are the ones who are well known to be in the pocket of the major defense contractors.

Once of the few things I did learn, when I was in the FBI, (during the time  Operation Ill Wind was being run), was how classification of materials and information, and SAPs, were frequently utilized as a vehicle to hide embezzlement and fraud, rather than to actually protect the national security of the United States.

https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1993/01/11/77357/index.htm

And, to answer the question in the article, no, Clinton didn't stop the corruption  He embraced it. Like nearly everyone else in DC.

The UAP reverse engineering program has got to have more expenditures than anything since WW2.  The fraud buried in it has to be Biblical, which is where I think a lot of the disclosure pushback is coming from.  Disclosure also means disclosure of the fraud and crime.
Link Posted: 10/3/2024 3:05:29 PM EST
[#9]
Link Posted: 10/3/2024 3:09:02 PM EST
[#10]
Link Posted: 10/3/2024 3:14:16 PM EST
[#11]
Link Posted: 10/3/2024 8:53:13 PM EST
[#12]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By brass:


Wasn't that a little bit of the purview of the NRO which Grush were seeing, reviewing information no matter the security clearance or source and if they saw wrong, send to the IG, otherwise compile reports to tie together things various intel agencies weren't catching/realizing?    The whole mission of the NRO is still fuzzy to me, by design I suppose.



View Quote View All Quotes
View All Quotes
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By brass:
Originally Posted By ExFed1811:


And, on the other shoe, most of the politicians arguing the strongest for continued secrecy are the ones who are well known to be in the pocket of the major defense contractors.

Once of the few things I did learn, when I was in the FBI, (during the time  Operation Ill Wind was being run), was how classification of materials and information, and SAPs, were frequently utilized as a vehicle to hide embezzlement and fraud, rather than to actually protect the national security of the United States.

https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1993/01/11/77357/index.htm

And, to answer the question in the article, no, Clinton didn't stop the corruption  He embraced it. Like nearly everyone else in DC.

The UAP reverse engineering program has got to have more expenditures than anything since WW2.  The fraud buried in it has to be Biblical, which is where I think a lot of the disclosure pushback is coming from.  Disclosure also means disclosure of the fraud and crime.


Wasn't that a little bit of the purview of the NRO which Grush were seeing, reviewing information no matter the security clearance or source and if they saw wrong, send to the IG, otherwise compile reports to tie together things various intel agencies weren't catching/realizing?    The whole mission of the NRO is still fuzzy to me, by design I suppose.





I want to say Grush said NRO procure and fly/maintain/operate the platforms. NGA look at the pics and data( maybe even "run" the camera/instruments),assemble the data into intelligence packaging that is consumable to people with need to know.
Link Posted: 10/4/2024 3:12:25 PM EST
[#13]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By ExFed1811:


And, on the other shoe, most of the politicians arguing the strongest for continued secrecy are the ones who are well known to be in the pocket of the major defense contractors.

Once of the few things I did learn, when I was in the FBI, (during the time  Operation Ill Wind was being run), was how classification of materials and information, and SAPs, were frequently utilized as a vehicle to hide embezzlement and fraud, rather than to actually protect the national security of the United States.

https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1993/01/11/77357/index.htm

And, to answer the question in the article, no, Clinton didn't stop the corruption  He embraced it. Like nearly everyone else in DC.

The UAP reverse engineering program has got to have more expenditures than anything since WW2.  The fraud buried in it has to be Biblical, which is where I think a lot of the disclosure pushback is coming from.  Disclosure also means disclosure of the fraud and crime.
View Quote



Agree 100% with all of this. Mike Turner out of Ohio, whose district encompasses Wright Patterson was named as being instrumental in stripping the UAP disclosure language from the defense authorization bill the last two years.

I worked on SAP's when Clinton took office. He froze our funding pending review. Took a few weeks but our funding got reinstated.
I never saw fraud on our programs, but it wasn't my job to look for it. I did hear of it happening but I would have characterized it more as corporate espionage using SAP's as cover.
Link Posted: 10/5/2024 10:05:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: ExFed1811] [#14]
Discussion ForumsJump to Quoted PostQuote History
Originally Posted By Utahshooting:



Agree 100% with all of this. Mike Turner out of Ohio, whose district encompasses Wright Patterson was named as being instrumental in stripping the UAP disclosure language from the defense authorization bill the last two years.

I worked on SAP's when Clinton took office. He froze our funding pending review. Took a few weeks but our funding got reinstated.
I never saw fraud on our programs, but it wasn't my job to look for it. I did hear of it happening but I would have characterized it more as corporate espionage using SAP's as cover.
View Quote


I could tell you about the best one I knew about.  Six million dollars embezzled.  It was a completely fake SAP, hidden in a real SAP.  But, it's still classified. It got discovered when a new auditor was assigned to the program.  She immediately noticed something amiss and it still took her three months (and threats to go to Congress) to jump through the hoops to get it investigated due to all the SAP bullshit.  In the end only one person got indicted.  And, believe it or not, he mysteriously died before he could go to trial (I shit you not). He was an Army vet with only one arm, we referred to him as "the one armed bandit" in the office.

ANd, I didn't personally work on Illwind (I was asked to volunteer for it, but smartly declined), but I had a couple of friends who did, and who later told me that investigating fraud at the Pentagon was as challenging as investigation the Mafia.  Everybody was stonewalling.

I just continue to believe that the fraud that has gone on, and the laws broken during the reverse engineering and recovery program, all hidden for seventy five years from any scrutiny, is so massive that it would probably bring the government down if revealed and that is the primary impediment to disclosure.
Close Join Our Mail List to Stay Up To Date! Win a FREE Membership!

Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!

You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.


By signing up you agree to our User Agreement. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win.
Top Top