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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:22:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:23:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What details lead you to that? (curious, not a snek expert) Hard to tell from the pic- venomous cotton mouths have a head shaped like an arrow. Younger cotton mouths have horizontal bands that eventually turn black on the too side. Eyes are also slits and not round. Close enough for my taste to a cotton mouth- I’d shoot it if it was around my house |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:25:07 PM EDT
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Looks like a hognose to me .
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a plain bellied water snake. Any one suggesting it's a water moccasin is wrong. Anyone suggesting it's a water moccasin due to "head shape" needs to learn to ID snakes based off more than old wive's tales. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/230525/IMG_1507_jpeg-2848899.JPG ETA: you could post it on Texas Snake Identification on FB, but I'd probably be the one to provide the ID there, too. I like snakes, but that V shaped head would yield it a sentence of "chop-n-bury for imitating a Water Moccasin" at my house. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:29:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI see how you think that based on the pattern, but it's missing the whole "hognose". It's a plain bellied water snake.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% non venomous water snake, I'd bet your life on it! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/133760/Screenshot_20220612-145626_Gallery_jpg-2848919.JPG That doesn't look like the snake in the OP. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:31:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty spot on. Add a little musk to that as well! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: NOT a moccasin. Looks to be a water snake....plain-bellied water snake perhaps. https://inaturalist-open-data.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/602817/large.jpg?1386441347 Kinda pretty.. still has that bitey look some snakes have lol... like you know 9 times out of 10 if you mess with that particular species your gonna get snapped at. Pretty spot on. Add a little musk to that as well! LOL. I freaking hate getting musked on. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:36:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like snakes, but that V shaped head would yield it a sentence of "chop-n-bury for imitating a Water Moccasin" at my house. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:55:43 PM EDT
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Articulate python
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't look like the snake in the OP. It is. Many color variations between snakes, and many varied colors throughout the season even with the same snake. I've caught this guy at least once a season for 3 seasons and sometimes the red is bright, sometimes it's barely noticeable. Sometimes it's dark, and when it's really dry out it's light olive. It's a plain bellied water snake and she'll flatten out like in the pic and put the old diamond head on display. When not threatened they're just thicker than the usual rat snake. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 2:59:44 PM EDT
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Appears to be some variation of non-venomous water snake.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a water moccasin to me I think it's a King snake. Moccasins are typically much fatter for their length. That being said, here's a moccasin caught by the contractor who handles our beaver removal needs. 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:17:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a water moccasin to me All black. Triangular head...i say mocassin too |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have had a few large rat snakes around my place for years. I like knowing they are around. Snapped this pic just two weeks ago..4 footer on a branch by the barn. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413035/Screenshot_20230612_131722_Gallery_jpg-2848914.JPG That being said...the pit viper headed one in OP would get the shovel chop and bury treatment at my place. It's a harmless snake, not a pit viper. 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:21:39 PM EDT
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Pit bull
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:25:26 PM EDT
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that picture is hard to make out the markings of it.
either a watersnake or female copperhead. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that picture is hard to make out the markings of it. either a watersnake or female copperhead. What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: that picture is hard to make out the markings of it. either a watersnake or female copperhead. What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? iT hAs A pOisoNoUs tRiAnGle HeAd |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:34:04 PM EDT
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It's a cottonmouth. Leave it alone.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:34:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:35:05 PM EDT
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inland taipan
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:35:09 PM EDT
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Water Moccasin and Water Snake Differences
Water Moccasin and Water Snake Differences Since the number of non-poisonous water snake species outnumber water moccasins, it's easy to confuse the two snakes because of similarities in coloring and habitats. The easiest way to identify the water moccasin from a non-venomous water snake is to check its head. Water snakes have long tapered heads that blend seamlessly into their bodies – and there are no heat-sensing pits below and between the eyes and the nose. All pit vipers, water moccasins included, have a distinctively wedge-shaped triangular head and much smaller necks than their heads. Water snakes prefer resting in the higher branches of trees near the water's edge while water moccasins prefer being closer to the water to take advantage of their prey. Water snakes differ from water moccasins in that the water snakes immediately bolt when threatened, even going underwater. Water moccasins stand their ground, gaping their wide mouths to discourage predators. Most water moccasins seldom bite when threatened, unless stepped on or picked up, and if given enough space, will turn and leave. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:39:04 PM EDT
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It’s amazing there are any snakes left in the world with all of the ignorant pussies among us.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes You might want to reply to threads that don’t deal with identifying snakes from now on. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What identifying characteristics would make you think that is a copperhead, and a female copperhead in particular? the shape of the head and most females snakes with markings are duller in color then males. i can't really make out the markings other than the faint stripes The snake was correctly identified as a non-venomous Plain-bellied Water snake on page 1. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:45:31 PM EDT
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Can't tell from the photo, not close enough, but looks to me to be a shovel snake.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:46:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its hard to tell based off the picture. King or black rat snake would be my guess. Moccasins typically have real thick bodies with short tails. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tell me you've never seen a copperhead without telling me you've never seen a copperhead. Also, many non-venomous snakes flatten their heads when threatened. This is not a reliable indicator of a venomous snake. https://howdoyoutell.info/how-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-a-male-and-female-copperhead/ If you live in the eastern U.S., there’s a good chance you’ve encountered a copperhead snake. These snakes are typically quite sized, reaching an average of 2 feet long. However, their shape and coloring can vary significantly between males and females. “-Males also tend to be darker than females, with dark crossbands on their shoulders and around their necks.” That’s from the link you posted. Considering that the snake the OP asked about was pretty much black, I’d say you even proved yourself wrong. Nothing about that snake looked like a copperhead. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 3:57:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's a King snake. Moccasins are typically much fatter for their length. That being said, here's a moccasin caught by the contractor who handles our beaver removal needs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/77154/Moccasin_JPG-2849011.jpg Even with a bit of forced perspective, that's a very large specimen. 
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:01:47 PM EDT
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Did you think to ask the snake how it identifies, bigot?
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Need a better photo of the head, but I'd guess it is a water snake. Side shot to see if it has the eye ridges of a moccasin or the vertical stripes of a water snake. I'm going with non-venomous rat or water snake based on the potato quality. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:30:16 PM EDT
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No step
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:40:49 PM EDT
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It’s a harmless water snake.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:46:43 PM EDT
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I keep reading new posts and am amazed at the amount of idiots here that have no idea what they are talking about but are so confident in their incorrect identifications.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 4:48:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Water snake, and there aren't "poisonous" snakes. ... 1- Is Snek Gud? 2- How Tell Snek Bad? 3- Wot iz Diff? 4- How we call badness? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 5:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep reading new posts and am amazed at the amount of idiots here that have no idea what they are talking about but are so confident in their incorrect identifications. First time in a snake thread, huh? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First time in a snake thread, huh? |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:15:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: im leaning this way. Head looks like a pit viper. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:23:59 PM EDT
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Everyone who keeps getting their knickers in a twist about the "triangle head...oh the noez, kill it with fire"....90% of snakes flatten out their heads when threatened or messed with. That might be the LEAST reliable feature.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Need a better photo of the head, but I'd guess it is a water snake. I'm thinking Diamondback water snake (Nerodia rhombifer) |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: here is a moccasin. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/294279/download__2__jpeg-2848888.JPG |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 6:49:15 PM EDT
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non venomous watersnake
I’ve seen them before flatten their head and body to look triangular also as said before… tail is too slender and long to be venomous |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 9:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a plain bellied water snake. Any one suggesting it's a water moccasin is wrong. Anyone suggesting it's a water moccasin due to "head shape" needs to learn to ID snakes based off more than old wive's tales. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/230525/IMG_1507_jpeg-2848899.JPG ETA: you could post it on Texas Snake Identification on FB, but I'd probably be the one to provide the ID there, too.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not. I'd just expect better here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First time in a snake thread, huh? Been here since 2010? Must not have wandered into GD much then, at least since the 13ers arrived… |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I keep reading new posts and am amazed at the amount of idiots here that have no idea what they are talking about but are so confident in their incorrect identifications. that's how a person learns...make wrong assumptions get corrected...heed the corrections. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From the potato photo; Coloration Body shape Head shape That's the way I'm leaning. Caught a lot of water bandits when I was a kid, only twice did I pin down a moccasin. They usually don't let you get close anyway. |
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:39:51 PM EDT
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Water snake, they are pissy
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Posted: 6/12/2023 11:43:16 PM EDT
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Not a cottonmouth and not a plain bellied water snake. Plain bellies have no patterns on their backs and orangish bellies.
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