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5/2/2006 3:46:35 PM EDT
Took this picture earlier today:



I *think* this is a Northern Water Snake.

Can anyone confirm?
5/2/2006 3:49:28 PM EDT
[#1]
That is clearly the worst kind of snake there is.
5/2/2006 3:51:50 PM EDT
[#2]
It's the dreaded Killicus Oshiticus!

Yeah, looks like a water snake, usually they are a bit fatter. Looks like it is REALLY ready to shed.

ETA: Wha'd I win?
5/2/2006 3:53:32 PM EDT
[#3]
not a northern water snake







the head looks similar, so probably in the same family, but the colors don't match
5/2/2006 3:54:04 PM EDT
[#4]
The very tactical Flat Dark Earth Snake formerly known as the Coyote Snake.
5/2/2006 3:55:29 PM EDT
[#5]
maybe its a brown snake
5/2/2006 3:57:16 PM EDT
[#6]
It literally doesn't matter.  All snakes are bad and need to be killed immediately upon discovery.  Really.
5/2/2006 3:58:15 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
It literally doesn't matter.  All snakes are bad and need to be killed immediately upon discovery.  Really.



I'm just trying to determine if I should nuke it from orbit or destroy it with fire
5/2/2006 3:58:44 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
It literally doesn't matter.  All snakes are bad and need to be killed immediately upon discovery.  Really.






WHY
5/2/2006 3:59:31 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
It literally doesn't matter.  All snakes are bad and need to be killed immediately upon discovery.  Really.



i'm hoping you don't mean it, either that, or i hope you like rats
5/2/2006 3:59:33 PM EDT
[#10]
It's a water snake for sure

Don't kill it

5/2/2006 4:03:44 PM EDT
[#11]
fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/snakes_of_virginia.htm


2nd from bottom.
5/2/2006 4:08:03 PM EDT
[#12]
As to my kill it remark:

Sense of humor, meet some of the Arfcom crowd.

Arfcom crowd, may I introduce you to a sense of humor.

Y'all mingle a while, see if you hit it off.

5/2/2006 4:09:32 PM EDT
[#13]
Its not poisonous leave it alone.  Snakes kill pest like rats and seldom if ever damage property, just leave it alone.
5/2/2006 4:12:21 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/snakes_of_virginia.htm


2nd from bottom.



Apparently northern water snakes lose their coloration as they age:



I went through this whole snake ID thing:
fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/virginia_snake_identification.htm

which gets VERY specific.

I should also add that this thing was sunning on a rock in my pond
5/2/2006 4:13:26 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
As to my kill it remark:

Sense of humor, meet some of the Arfcom crowd.

Arfcom crowd, may I introduce you to a sense of humor.

Y'all mingle a while, see if you hit it off.




i was hoping so....

humor is what these are for:[
5/2/2006 4:20:21 PM EDT
[#16]
NO that is not a northern water snake.  napolean_tanerite has the pictures of an actual northern water snake.  some folks around here call them 'spotted adders'

we have many of them here in upstate ny.

d.
5/2/2006 4:21:32 PM EDT
[#17]
If you have fish in your pond, they will eat them
5/2/2006 4:23:48 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
As to my kill it remark:

Sense of humor, meet some of the Arfcom crowd.

Arfcom crowd, may I introduce you to a sense of humor.

Y'all mingle a while, see if you hit it off.




i was hoping so....

humor is what these are
for:[




Wow, thanks there Napolean, cuz I'd never seen those before.  'Preciate ya.

K, this is done now, back to your regularly scheduled topic.
5/3/2006 4:45:45 AM EDT
[#19]
FWIW I have confirmed that this is, in fact, a northern water snake.
5/3/2006 4:55:25 AM EDT
[#20]
water snake for sure
5/3/2006 4:58:57 AM EDT
[#21]
Here in Texas we call anything that skinny a worm
5/3/2006 5:05:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Coachwhip?
ETA looks its been ID as a northern water snake.
5/3/2006 5:07:45 AM EDT
[#23]
Nerodia sipedon sipedon (Northern Watersnake)

http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/VHS/snakes_of_virginia.htm


5/3/2006 5:10:50 AM EDT
[#24]
Never kill a round-eyed snake.
5/3/2006 5:15:44 AM EDT
[#25]
yellow rat snake
5/3/2006 5:22:51 AM EDT
[#26]
black mamba

5/3/2006 5:22:58 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Coachwhip?
ETA looks its been ID as a northern water snake.



correct....it's certainly a northern water snake

A herpetologist at U Mass Amherst confirmed this.

His explanation was long-winded, but based upon the keeled scales, the scale count, and the various feature of the plates around the eye and nose, he said it 100% a northern water snake, unless I was in extreme SE Virginia, in which case it could be a red-bellied water snake.
5/3/2006 5:28:46 AM EDT
[#28]
IDing a snake purely on color won't do it.  Snakes adjust their color according to their suroundings.  As you can see NoVaGator's pic shows how close the snake's color is to the rocks, a color adaptation on his part.  If the snake was in a dark merky swamp it would be much darker.  

Younger snakes have more of a visible color pattern than older snakes.
5/3/2006 5:34:25 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
IDing a snake purely on color won't do it.  Snakes adjust their color according to their suroundings.  As you can see NoVaGator's pic shows how close the snake's color is to the rocks, a color adaptation on his part.  If the snake was in a dark merky swamp it would be much darker.  

Younger snakes have more of a visible color pattern than older snakes.




exactly...when I first contacted this snake expert (friend of a friend) I told him that I *thought* it was a northern water snake, but the coloration was nothing like any descriptions or pictures I had found on the web.

He immediately said that the coloration was one of the least important (and most misleading) features for ID because it's so variable. But the count of the various plates on the head was key, and can help you determine species when everything else fails.
5/3/2006 5:34:35 AM EDT
[#30]
That was a pretty sweet pic NoVa!   You should be a photographer.

At what range?
Um, about 2 meters.
It was actually about 1 and a half I think. It was 1 and a half, I've got a great Polaroid of it, and he's right there, must be 1 and a half.
It was a nice picture.
Thanks.
5/3/2006 5:38:27 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
That was a pretty sweet pic NoVa!   You should be a photographer.


He is.....
5/3/2006 5:45:01 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
That was a pretty sweet pic NoVa!   You should be a photographer.





Thanks Justin.....as Hokie said, I am! (at least for part of my job)

I was actually thinking that the pic was a little soft, but I didn't want to bother with photoshop.

The pic was shot with a Canon 1D and a Canon 300mm f2.8 IS L lens. (handheld, but with image stabilization on )

5/3/2006 5:59:24 AM EDT
[#33]

Snakes adjust their color according to their suroundings


I have owned many snakes, and still do.  I have to disagree with this statement.  I have never read in a book (f  the internet) that a snake changes it color do to suroundings.  My snakes will change color due to age and do to where they are in their shed cycle.  Scale placement and scale count are the best ways to identify a snake.  I agree 100% on that.
5/3/2006 7:08:05 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Snakes adjust their color according to their suroundings


I have owned many snakes, and still do.  I have to disagree with this statement.  I have never read in a book (f  the internet) that a snake changes it color do to suroundings.  My snakes will change color due to age and do to where they are in their shed cycle.  Scale placement and scale count are the best ways to identify a snake.  I agree 100% on that.



+1  snakes don't change their color according to their surroundings.
5/3/2006 7:12:18 AM EDT
[#35]
If anyone ever does find one that does they will be very rich.
5/3/2006 2:53:34 PM EDT
[#36]
Snakes do not change colors like a chameleons, how ever the snakes color depends on its habitat.  For instance, you will see the black phase of the timber rattlesnake in areas of high elevation or on north slopes because they need to absorb more radiation to warm up.  Similarly in swamps you will see cottonmouths that are stone cold black to a dark olive color while a cottonmouth in a upper coastal plain/piedmont area will be tanish brown.  The snake's color scheme is dependant on age and environment.

I hope you didn't think that I ment that if you were to put a brown snake in a green environment that it would become green.
5/3/2006 3:05:39 PM EDT
[#37]
Garter!
5/3/2006 3:11:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Water Snake.

One scared the crap outta my little cousin about 6 years ago.  We were fly fishing for trout in my faorite creek.  Waded up towards the far bank to work a hole and a 5 footer spooked into the water.  he must have jumped 10 feet high!  It was funny.