Posted: 8/2/2012 9:26:06 PM EDT
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Someone (I think on ARFCOM?) said that a sniper's target is in fact BELOW the nose line in order to strike the spine or medulla oblongata. In a movie (Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy?) a guy gets popped by a long-range assassin. He gets it in the cheekbone, supporting the above.
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| Not a sniper, so take it for what it's worth, but yes, the medulla is below the nose on a level plane shot. That said police snipers and military have different goals. Police want to shut the bad guy off like a switch, halting any action immediately. Military just wants to kill the enemy. You hit a guy between the eyes with a 7.62 and he's gonna die even if you didn't strike the medulla dead on. |
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Not a sniper, so take it for what it's worth, but yes, the medulla is below the nose on a level plane shot. That said police snipers and military have different goals. Police want to shut the bad guy off like a switch, halting any action immediately. Military just wants to kill the enemy. You hit a guy between the eyes with a 7.62 and he's gonna die even if you didn't strike the medulla dead on. I can see this; the stories are legion of people taking incredibly severe cranial trauma and living long enough to do some crazy stuff. |
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Not a sniper, so take it for what it's worth, but yes, the medulla is below the nose on a level plane shot. That said police snipers and military have different goals. Police want to shut the bad guy off like a switch, halting any action immediately. Military just wants to kill the enemy. You hit a guy between the eyes with a 7.62 and he's gonna die even if you didn't strike the medulla dead on. This (and I am not a sniper) but a little bit more. Recognize that with a military sniper, they may be employed in either offensive or defensive actions. The list and priorities in either capacity can be lengthy. For example, one target might be to take out a leading NCO which might demoralize the troops enough to vastly reduce their efficiency. Here's a point of consideration: does a sniper kill him so another NCO steps up, takes his place, and rallies the troops to fight or vastly wound him so his injury, his lingering death is an ongoing burden on the enemy's morale? It's another spin on kill him or wound him. Kill him and it takes an hour to bury him. Wound him and you take him out of the battle and the two men who are the stretcher bearers. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Some of the best KGB snipers are women."––defecting KGB general, (w,stte), "The Living Daylights") |
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I thought that military snipers generally engaged center mass. Me too but, like, fuck, what would we know about this? 
I dont think I've seen anyone state anything about mil so far... Just LE preferred placement. I could see COM being preferable if you don't have the same concerns that drives LE to want instant effect. |
| actually asked this exact question to a friend from highschool who finished army sniper school not long ago, said that they were trained to shoot center of mass, simply because it's a larger target and thus higher probability of a hit as opposed to the head, obviously a much smaller target. of course he also said if all they had a shot on was the bad guys head they'd take the shot anyway. yeah yeah I know "heard it from a friend" CSB |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought that military snipers generally engaged center mass. Me too but, like, fuck, what would we know about this? I dont think I've seen anyone state anything about mil so far... Just LE preferred placement. I could see COM being preferable if you don't have the same concerns that drives LE to want instant effect. Sorry, I see the word "Sniper", i think military shooters always kinda thought of police being "Sharp Shooters" |
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I thought that military snipers generally engaged center mass. Me too but, like, fuck, what would we know about this?
I dont think I've seen anyone state anything about mil so far... Just LE preferred placement. I could see COM being preferable if you don't have the same concerns that drives LE to want instant effect. This was the OP: "Someone (I think on ARFCOM?) said that a sniper's target is in fact BELOW the nose line in order to strike the spine or medulla oblongata. In a movie (Tinker, Taylor, Soldier, Spy?) a guy gets popped by a long-range assassin. He gets it in the cheekbone, supporting the above. Is this true?" Nothing about police there. Then this guy posted: "Not a sniper, so take it for what it's worth, but yes, the medulla is below the nose on a level plane shot. That said police snipers and military have different goals. Police want to shut the bad guy off like a switch, halting any action immediately. Military just wants to kill the enemy. You hit a guy between the eyes with a 7.62 and he's gonna die even if you didn't strike the medulla dead on." The implication there is that police aim slightly lower on the head than military, but that military still makes head shots. So I posted that the military tends to shoot center of mass unless they have to do otherwise. |
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Sorry, I see the word "Sniper", i think military shooters always kinda thought of police being "Sharp Shooters" I wonder if that is what the guy was thinking the other week when I was shooting Sils at 100 yards and he asked me if I was coming up for requals. I'm not a sniper as I said; I don't have the eyes............although I do occassionally wonder how I would shoot, since I am consistently hitting center of mass points from unsupported standing over iron sights, if I was shooting prone with whatever else. Better, I'm sure.....but I still doubt it would be at sniper level. Shrug.......I'm a good shot, maybe even a crack one.....but I'm not an exceptional shot which is what those people are. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ("These guys can hit a bucket at a 1000 yards."––Skinner about the FBI tactical, (w,stte), "The X Files") |
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In the SOTIC manual it states that a shot to the dead centre of the face (in line with your ear canals) will drop the target straight down like he crumpled and will be incapacitated, ie dead, within one second.
Hits to other parts of the head will result in different incapacitation characteristics with the target |
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Well, let's consider two things with a police sniper target.
First of all, there are decent odds they will have a hostage. So one may not have a clear shot to the front of their face without going through the hostage as well. Secondly, if that shot explodes their skull, that result may take out the hostage as well. Such things are never good for public relations. Of course, there is the point of what we are talking about here, "turn him OFF!". Not drop him in his tracks, but cease all activity NOW. Ie, if he has his thumb on a plunger, his finger on the trigger, one doesn't want him in his last action, maybe a jerk, completing the action. Now where one hits to accomplish that, I don't know; I haven't read such books. I have heard that it is at the back, base of the skull.....but I have only heard. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ ("Wear something that's going to stop him dead in his tracks."––voiceover, (w,stte), some lingerie commercial) |