I don't believe there is power in witchcraft, but I've had friends that did.    I'm willing to be convinced if someone wants to prove it.

I believe there is.

I was at a park one day and saw a pretty hot witch (assuming biologically female) use her powers to protect a trans kid against some cis-bullies.  It was fucking wild.

There's power in belief.

If you believe in witchcraft, or demons, or whatever, you give that belief power over your mind.

It's only the religious who are troubled by demons, only the superstitious who are troubled by omens.

Christianity is in a weird spot because at least some of the Bibles authors believed in the supernatural powers kind of witchcraft, so you're kinda forced to believe in it as an article of faith in inerrancy.

Visualization stuff like most Wicca seems to be works on the same things and for the same reasons meditation and prayer work.

It’s ok to study a bit to know it when you see it

But I’d leave that door closed in practice, pun intended

If a person believes they have power then I suppose they do. I am not a believer.

Hanging witches and burning them at the stake seems excessive. Perhaps enslaving them would have been more productive over time. My European heritage just got the better of me.......

Difference is, that wasn’t supposed to be something they took pleasure in. It was intended to be gross and burden on the people. 1. To hammer home you deserve to die for sin, sin=death and the innocent animal has to take your place. 2. To be a burden and show you why you should avoid sin. 3. The need for a perfect sacrifice(Jesus Christ) to  put away sin once and for all.



Turn away from your own self righteousness and turn towards the righteousness of God and believe.

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Closest thing I’ve got is when I was a kid there was a weird teenager in the neighborhood that was into that. Kid literally looked like Marilyn  Manson. We nicknamed him Demon Daniel. The church my parents went to when I was a kid was next to the neighborhood. One day the church as group decided to go out as a large group inviting people to attend and sharing the gospel. Demon Daniel started following the group around and harassing the pastor and youth pastor. He was trying to interfere with the pastor sharing the gospel with someone. So the your pastor looked at him, opened his Bible, and started reading scripture at him. The DD started screaming and grabbing his head telling the YP to stop because it hurt. As the YP continued to read the scripture DD said if he didn’t stop he would come to the church and put a hex on the YP. The YP told him he was more then welcome and that he was there every Sunday, Wednesday and Thursday night and then started reading the scripture again. DD put his hands on his ears and started shaking his head while screaming then walked away doing that all the way down the street. He never showed up to drop that hex.

No. I don’t believe in witchcraft, because I’m not a moron.

So if a witch claimed they could kill me with a curse would I be justified in shooting them if they started cursing me?

I had a couple chicks that were Wiccans or whatever that worked for me at the stripclub.
I ended up firing one one night and she’s screaming and cussing me. Telling me she’s cursing me and my truck to burn or some shit.
Me and the bouncer are just laughing and telling her to get her shit packed.
End of the night I toss my bouncer my truck keys and tell him to go warm my truck up.
He tossed them back and said I don’t think so.
Still here and the truck never burned while I owned it. Stupid bitch.

Best I can do on short notice

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If you let Rob Zombie make a movie about them, there’s a 99% chance it’ll suck.


That’s the extent of my with knowledge.  
And they’re made of wood

Thank-you.

I got better.

That sort of stuff is predictable in romantic relationships when one side practices santeria.  There, I explained it to you.

God's word talks about this very subject.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Read this:

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/bible/who-was-the-witch-of-endor.html

So yes, witch craft is real.

The simplest explanation is that it is people communicating with demons.

The Bible warns man not to be involved with these practices:

Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Exodus 22:18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 - When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.  

Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Leviticus 20:6 - And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Galatians 5:19-21 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,  

Deuteronomy 18:10 - There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

Isaiah 8:19 - And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Galatians 5:20-21 - Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,  

2 Chronicles 33:6 - And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

1 Samuel 15:23 - For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Revelation 22:15 - For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

1 Chronicles 10:13-14 - So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;  

Acts 19:19 - Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

2 Kings 21:6 - And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Power of suggestion

The bulk of Americans are under a fear spell currently.

Witchcraft Story Time

A man (man a) I met had a little square 1" x 1" x 1" pewter square that had a little red diode light in-bedded in it.

A man (man b) he worked with gave it to him (non working).

When the former owner possessed it the little red light supposedly blinked.

The man (man c) who gave it to the former owner made it (solid square that had a little electric board battery set in this little solid square where you couldn't access the battery compartment and the red light supposedly just blinked). Now in the 80's I made a plant moisture tester that ran off a 9 volt to make the red light come on and the circuit board was 3" x 2" but I'm not an electrician or radio shack customer. It was around 1990 when I saw this little cube so if tech didn't exist to fit inside a little 1 x 1 x 1 square than story was definitely bs.

Man b started to get very sick, real sick, really really sick

He was out of work for a couple weeks laying on the couch with an intense pain that would run through him.

Once when the pain got really intense he looked up on top of his tv where he placed the little square and saw the little light pulsating to the same rhythm as his pain.

He dialed man c and said "you put a curse on me didn't you?" and man c started laughing saying "I wondered when you would figure it out"

Man b was married to man c's ex wife who man c was still madly in love with. All three were in the same coven together.

I only saw the little square with the unblinking light and was told the story second hand.  

My friends father was probably bullshitting me up but my friend had a possessed antique doll in that same house so the square was of little interest, getting out of the house was always of greater priority.


I only can say personally what may be a dragon to the unsaved is just a squishy lizard to be stomped on by the feet of those under Christs protection.

Now ask him how he knows that, exactly.

His assertion is based on the presumption that absolutely nobody would ever practice witchcraft--which is strange, because LOTS of people practice witchcraft today, in the modern era.

Why weren't there any witches back then?

ETA:  There has been this curious push to condition peoples thoughts on the matter--to imply that witchcraft doesn't ACTUALLY exist and that nobody has ever practiced it.  Which is ridiculous.  Of course they did--and they continue to do so today.  They even post to Instagram about it.

I recall back in the 80's feminists academics used the persecution of witches as a cudgel against both Christianity and the patriarchy--arguing that the very notion of any sane person practicing witchcraft was so absurd on its face (who would ever consider doing such a thing?) that SURELY the trial of people for witchcraft was a symptom of paranoid idiocy on the part of Christians and prima facie evidence of primitive misogyny in the culture.  Then, of course, as feminism began to gain strength in the culture they all suddenly discovered goddess worship and The Divine Feminine--and became witches.

The stark, ugly question (and admittedly it is a heartless lens through which to view those times) is whether the people of the day living in a quasi-religious State had the moral right (under God's commandments) to lawfully condemn those who practiced the occult arts (or even engaged in pagan religious ceremony) to death.

And underpinning the whole chapter of the Burning Times is one central question--the question of moral authority, and it all comes down to this: IS the God of the Israelites The Maker of Heaven and Earth, is HE the sole arbiter of right and wrong, and did the Israelites correctly receive and understand His commandments.  The Old Testament both forbids and condemns the practice--and the penalty is death.  If, on the other hand, the God of the Jews is NOT the Maker Of Heaven And Earth--then (in the eyes of witches and pagans) Christians are homicidal monsters--and the witches I have brushed up against very definitely saw things this way.    

This framing of moral authority is (curiously enough) coming to a final climactic confrontation in the world today, over the issue of gay rights.

The old moral authority is actively being torn down.  We have begun to see glimmers of what will replace it--and I believe it will not be a happy world for Christians to try to find a way to live in.

Wiccan's tend to believe that they are trying to tie into the power of the life force of the universe.  Prayer tends to be asking God for something - Given that communion with God is the end all of Christianity - you are asking the life force of the universe for help...  To that degree - same difference.  

That said, prayer should be more about asking God to help change your will to his - which is something completely different.
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I am a christian.  I prayed to meet someone.  I met a girl who was wiccan and was asking the universe to meet someone...  Seemed like the same thing in a way at the time.  In both cases, what we did probably encouraged us to have a relationship with each other.  That said, we were good fuck buddies for a while, virtually to when both of us met our future spouses.  That said, for a good part of that time, while we had fun being friends with benefits, we both knew we had no future together.  She was a bit weird - I don't begrudge her a bit, but it was odd when the last time we fucked, she told me she was going on a date the next day with a man older than her father - and she was engaged 2 weeks latter.  FWIW, he was a man's man - essentially special forces in the Army in Vietnam, till he transfered after the war made a career in the Navy.

You grasp the highly-selective nature of experiencing the phenomena, but you misattribute the cause.

It has nothing to do with belief.  Belief does not CAUSE the phenomena--the phenomena exists as part of an external objective reality--but the cognizance/awareness of the external reality is not random or haphazard.  I said in an earlier post that physical manifestation of the power of the demonic realm is a tactic.  It is deployed for tactical gain, either to stimulate interest/facilitate recruitment or to cause fear to facilitate domination/control.  The demonic realm will not reveal itself to an atheist--it has no good tactical reason to do so--the demonic realm would prefer that atheists be completely clueless that it actually exists...until the game is over.  The demonic realm will also reveal itself to the deeply faithful, those closely connected to God, because tactically it has nothing to lose.  Read up on the lives of the saints, especially the mystics.  They frequently encountered manifestations of the diabolical, and God allowed it for the edification of their souls.

Generally speaking, fascination with the subject is also unhealthy--it is in and of itself a trap, a lure.  A Christian should focus only on the reality of God's love, and to try to manifest that love in the world.  Unhealthy fascination with sin and the fallen powers does not serve that purpose.

The other member can speak for himself, but the part in bold, above, is really beside the point.

@shade_1313

If one thinks it through, the belief that at communion the wine and bread actually turn into blood and flesh is a form of witch craft. ymmv

It USED to be fascinating, but then they switched to less costly unleaded, and screwed everything up.

I have books on it. Sorta went through a phase where I was looking at different religions. Read different books/texts.

My opinion?

Its all a bunch of crap. Its ritualistic as fuck and pointless. A majority of witch craft is supposed to be only done in positive ways.

Whatever spells you supposably cast will come back to you 3 fold. So say black magic/misfortune is done; the recoil hits the spell caster 3x as bad as the target.

Majority of people hung were just people the church did not care for. It also set back science for many years.

Its just a bunch of superstitious crap. Women who are into that whole crystal spirituality thing holds more water than witchcraft.

Here again is another one of those subjects where in “popular” opinion is based on “book learning” and sensationalism.

Unless you are lucky enough to come across someone who has first hand knowledge of the inner workings of the subject, and you sincerely approach them about such, you’ll rarely get to find out what it’s about.

The thing with Witchcraft is, there are a lot of different “expressions” of it. From Santaria, all the way to the Wiccan. As with so many things, there’s rarely an opportunity for a real practitioner to explain anything of truth on the matter, especially on a public forum, due to being shouted down the moment they try to introduce facts into the conversation. Many simply avoid it, because it’s not worth the time or trouble.

For instance, almost every single reply in this thread has either been produced from information that is “word of mouth” or by individuals who “knew someone”, in which case even that displays only simple knowledge of the subject based on “book learning”. Rarely do you get the opportunity to actually learn something of import from such interactions, simply because you never get beyond the “surface” of the subject and get down to the “root” of what’s actually being practiced.

Okay so the whole Ouiji concept. I think it's human belief that is causing it; or opening a "gate"/contact with a parallel dimension.

Similar to how prayer and meditation work. The fuck if I know though.

I'm not religious but when you go to a Church/Service; there definitely is a positive energy. Even a Church that has been long abandoned still has this vibe to it.

Ooga Booga I put a hex on you-a

I know a guy who Ha d a dispute with an adjoining property owner over a stack of wood. They each thought the stack was on their property. After several arguments and “vandalism’s” of the stack, the guy I know tied a knot of horse hair around a chicken bone with some herbs and stuff and laid it on the stack. It was never touched or talked about again….lol.


Anything you believe in is real to an extent, right?

Exquisite example of exactly what I was talking about.

Thank you.

Probably already been posted but it's almost Halloween so everybody needs more Sreamin' Jay in their lives.

Watch out for the monsters under your bed and that boogeyman in your closet.

Interesting response, I myself take more concern with two legged, mentally ill creatures, than anything I can’t see.In contrast, I’m pretty confident in regards to things I can’t see, as opposed to several of the responses here. Wonder what the difference is you suppose?