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6/14/2008 11:38:01 AM EDT
I'm curretnly 26, but I've never really done weight lifting except for 1/4 a semester in High School gym class.  This year I've decided to start lifting regularly but my 2 biggest concerns are A) I don't know how often to change exercises, and B) I don't know enough excercises to be able to tell what I need to do and when I need to do it.

I heard about muscle adaptation and I'm wondering how often should I be chaning my routine to prevent my muscles from adapting?  Is it the kind of thing I need to change every month? every week?

Any suggestions on where to go to learn more about lifting in general?  I picked up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia because it was $5 at a used book store, but it seems to be more for people who want to build muscle for competition.  My main goals are to get stronger, and lose fat, not necessarily to look huge.
6/14/2008 11:55:38 AM EDT
[#1]
I suggest picking up a copy of Starting Strength by Rippetoe.  It sounds like just what you need.  There's a sticky here if you want to get the gist of it.

ETA: As for adaptation, I wouldn't worry about it for maybe 6 months or more if you're new.  By then, you will be able to spot it and make changes accordingly.
6/14/2008 1:16:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Arnold's book is a good source of information, and where you are, Inherited's post about Ripptoe's program is a great start.

Frankly, it cracks me up a bit when people first start lifting and say they don't want to get huge. It is like a kid at McDonalds turning down overtime becuase he is afraid he will become a millionaire. You are going to have to fight and sweat for every single pound of muscle you add to your frame, and you will have to add 10 pounds before anyone but you notices.

On that note, don't get too concerned with which program you are using or are you hitting this or that muscle with this or that exersize or which set/rep scheme you are doing. Find a good program (Ripptoe's looks good), be dedicated and lift hard.

Nichcon's rule for lifting...
effort x consistency x time = results
6/15/2008 5:21:29 AM EDT
[#3]
www.bodybuilding.com....information site and store
6/15/2008 5:26:03 AM EDT
[#4]
Well, I think by saying he doesn't necessarily want to get huge he meant he wants to focus on strength rather than hypertrophy. In that case a basic strength program like Ripptoe's is the way to go.
6/15/2008 5:19:02 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Arnold's book is a good source of information,




About the only good information in that book is about Arnold's body building history. Everything else blows.



Here's another vote for Starting Strength. Buy the book, read it 4 times and use that lifting split for several years. Nothing beats compound lifts.
6/15/2008 9:18:37 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I'm curretnly 26, but I've never really done weight lifting except for 1/4 a semester in High School gym class.  This year I've decided to start lifting regularly but my 2 biggest concerns are A) I don't know how often to change exercises, and B) I don't know enough excercises to be able to tell what I need to do and when I need to do it.I was the same and no one at my gym knew shit about lifting, mostly women and seniors. I bought body building magazines from the gracery store, they gave me info on types of moves and splits. Some here will bash that, but it gave me pictures to try to follow.

I heard about muscle adaptation and I'm wondering how often should I be chaning my routine to prevent my muscles from adapting?  Is it the kind of thing I need to change every month? every week?IMO, when you start to not see results. For me it is when I can no longer gety sore the day after lifting, then I find a new exercise that hits that muscle group harder.

Any suggestions on where to go to learn more about lifting in general? see my first answer. I picked up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia because it was $5 at a used book store, but it seems to be more for people who want to build muscle for competition.  My main goals are to get stronger, and lose fat, not necessarily to look huge.That's fine. Just keep a little more fat and don't take 'roids and you'll look "normall".
6/16/2008 9:00:08 AM EDT
[#7]
Take a realllllly long look at a few different HIT programs they work amazingly well. There are a thousand different HIT programs these days. Research a bunch and start experimenting to find what works best for you. As a noob i would go 1 rep less than absolute failure for the first month or so.

Here's a snip of BigA's(IFBB pro) no bullshit article over at Proffessionalmuscle.com
The workout may not work for you but it is a great starting point.

And always remember your biggest strength and muscle gains will come from diet not the gym. Why bother going 100% in the gym if you don't give your body 100% chance to recover?




TRAINING

Why does a muscle grow? Because it has to adapt. When
does it have to adapt? When you expose it to something
that it has not done before. When is something that it
has not done before? When the muscle is taxed 100%.
That's 100% effort. What's 100% effort? When you train
to 100% PHYSICAL, not mental failure. So, to make the
muscle grow, you have to train with 100% effort
otherwise, the muscle will not adapt/grow.
Now, using the above logic, for a set to be beneficial
to your growth, it needs to be 100% effort. So, a 100%
effort set of an exercise, will make you grow. Then,
what is the point to do a second set of that exercise?
You cannot go more than 100%. The muscle already has
been taxed by 100% from the first set, so why should
you do a second one? You will just eat into your
recovery ability.
So, you should only do one set to failure per
exercise. Later on, I will describe the training
program and how exercises and warm-ups are involved.

A muscle will not grow until it's recovered. The
muscle will not begin to recover until the nervous
system is recovered. It takes roughly 24hours for the
nervous system to recover from a workout. Only then
will the muscle begin to recover and grow. So, you
should never train 2 days in a row. Even if you train
different bodyparts, you still use the same nervous
system. You train 2 days in a row, your nervous system
recovers, but by the time the muscles begin to, you
train again, so the body has to concentrate again on
recovering the nervous system.
A training frequency of 3 days per week (Mon, Wed,
Fri) is more than enough. Numerous pros, including
myself, train like this offseason for maximum growth.
Even if you use streroids, you still have to train
like this. Steroids increase your recovery ability,
but they also make you stronger at a quicker rate. The
extra strength will give you the ability to train
harder/tear more muscle tissue, so you will need the
extra recovery that the steroids will give you.

The following is a great training program that I
recomend:

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

You do a lot of warm-ups for your first exercise of
the day. You do one warm-up for the first exercise of
each bodypart, only to optimise the firing of te
neuropathways.
Let's use chest as an example - if for example your
max (work set) in the incline press is 3 plates, then
you do 2 warm-ups with the bar, 2 warm-ups with one
plate, 1 warm-up with 2 plates and then your work set
with 3 plates. The work set is a set where you fail at
about 6 reps. Every workout, you have to do more reps
or increase the weight in that work set (remember, the
muscle has to do something that it has not done
before). So if one work out you fail with 6 reps, the
following nothing less than 7. When you reach 8 reps,
the following workout you should do (increase) a
weight where you can do minimum 4 reps. Then increase
your reps again every workout until you reach 8 again,
and so on. Each rep has a tempo of 2-1-1. That is 2
seconds in the negative, one second in the contraction
and 1 second in the positive.
Then, after you fail in the incline press, you move
straight to flat flyes. You do not need a warmp now
because your chest is more than warm after you failed
on presses.
And that's it for chest. The basic routine stays the
same. If you want variety, small changes as using DB's
instead of BB or doing flat presse and incline flyes
for example, is mor ethan enough variety to keep the
muscle 'confused'.


Also if you feel you need to switch up to keep your body guessing switch incline press with flat ect...
6/16/2008 9:46:01 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
I'm curretnly 26, but I've never really done weight lifting except for 1/4 a semester in High School gym class.  This year I've decided to start lifting regularly but my 2 biggest concerns are A) I don't know how often to change exercises, and B) I don't know enough excercises to be able to tell what I need to do and when I need to do it.

I heard about muscle adaptation and I'm wondering how often should I be chaning my routine to prevent my muscles from adapting?  Is it the kind of thing I need to change every month? every week?

Any suggestions on where to go to learn more about lifting in general?  I picked up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia because it was $5 at a used book store, but it seems to be more for people who want to build muscle for competition.  My main goals are to get stronger, and lose fat, not necessarily to look huge.


Another vote for Starting Strength.   I haven't read arnold's book, but in any case, a regimen for a professional bodybuilder is going to be vastly different than for someone at your level.   As to how often to change things up, it is pretty simple for you, I believe - I'd say continue to do the Starting Strength program until it stops working.    More info is in the forum sticky on when to reset the program and about how many resets to go through before it is time to move onto something else.

Still classifying myself in the Beginner/Intermediate stage, I'll echo the comments above about "getting huge".    Believe me that you aren't going to wake up one day after lifting "heavy" (relative to your current strength) and wake up jacked.
6/16/2008 11:32:11 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I'm curretnly 26, but I've never really done weight lifting except for 1/4 a semester in High School gym class.  This year I've decided to start lifting regularly but my 2 biggest concerns are A) I don't know how often to change exercises, and B) I don't know enough excercises to be able to tell what I need to do and when I need to do it.

I heard about muscle adaptation and I'm wondering how often should I be chaning my routine to prevent my muscles from adapting?  Is it the kind of thing I need to change every month? every week?

Any suggestions on where to go to learn more about lifting in general?  I picked up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia because it was $5 at a used book store, but it seems to be more for people who want to build muscle for competition.  My main goals are to get stronger, and lose fat, not necessarily to look huge.


Adaptation is overrated.  Don't worry about it for a while if you are a new lifter.  At some point you will reach a plateau but not any time soon.  On the other hand, if you get bored easily, try to vary your routine a little now and then.  Just remember that the best gauge of progress is by comparing past performance on the same lift.

Keep a notebook so you can remember what weights you used and track your progress.  It's great motivation.

Anabolic Minds is a great training/bodybuilding forum.  There's a lot of very knowledgeable people over there.  Join and ask questions, but browse and run some searches first.  Over there, like here, people get a little touchy when people ask without searching first.  You will probably want to start with the Training Forum.  There is also great info about nutrition (which is key) and supplementation (which can help) over there.
6/16/2008 1:43:38 PM EDT
[#10]
+1 for Rippetoe.
6/16/2008 5:20:01 PM EDT
[#11]
+1 Rippetoe.

Don't let anyone bullshit you. If you wanna be big you got to be strong, they go hand in hand. Ronnie Coleman can deadlift 800 lbs, all those huge guys can put up awesome numbers on the bench, deadlift, and squat. You can't get big without being strong, you cant damage your muscles enough to get that growth without it.

The core program in Starting Strenght will get you strong and if you eat right pack on mass.

Once you get some strenght then move to the more exotic bodybuilding programs.
6/17/2008 4:24:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for all the suggestions so far.  I've been flipping through a couple magazines the past couple days and I just ordered Starting Strength from Amazon.
6/20/2008 12:03:35 PM EDT
[#13]
As far as changing your basic exercises... I dont ever do that.  I do not belive you need to.  You need exercises that hit every muscle group and to arrange them so you have time for recovery. I dont believe in lifting for strenght or lifting for hypertrophy... I just lift.  I get bigger and stronger.  It is neither a hypertrophy based or strength based program.  It gets me the most out of my time and helps both equally.

My lifting routine is:

Mon: Chest/Bi
Wed: Legs
Fri: Shoulders/Back

Mon: Flat bench, Standing Curls, Incline press, Preacher Curls, Flys, Concentration curls, burnout of dips to failure followed by pushups to failure

Wed: Squats, Leg extensions to failure, Leg curls, Stainding calf raises

Fri: Overhead shoulder press, Rows, latteral raises, wide grip chins, some rear delt exercise

This never changes and I dont really plateau.  I do abs as often as I can.  I might change the flat bench from DB to barbell but its always that exercise in that order.  I set up the exercises to allow maximum recovery by working alternating muscle groups and resting the opposing muscle group each exercise and not hitting a bicep or tricep workout without at least 2 days of recovery on that muscle as it again limits your strength... this allows me to lift heavier on every exercsie.  I do 3 sets to failure of each exercise.  I never do more than 10 reps of anything or I increase the weight.  I do leg extensions after squats because I eventually max out any machine and do more than 10 reps with all the weight even when its right after heavy squats.

Things I almost never do: Deadlifts, Triceps, Seated calf raises.  These dont really do anything for me but cause injury and reduce recovery if done more than every once in a great while.  They might get done once every month or two.

Whne most people who are beginers follow me and do my workout the common comment is "thats it?"  They dont feel like that for very long if they truely lift to failure every day they lift on every exercsie excercise for every set.

Noone does my workout and nooone will agree with it on any forum you might encounter.  I did win the get in shape contest we had with it though.
6/20/2008 12:52:53 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
As far as changing your basic exercises... I dont ever do that.  I do not belive you need to...
 
This never changes and I dont really plateau...

... this allows me to lift heavier on every exercsie.  I do 3 sets to failure of each exercise...


You never change anything, you go to failure on every set for every workout, you go heavier on every lift every workout and you've never stalled?  

I'd be interested to know how long you've been on this world record pace.
6/20/2008 1:03:25 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
I'm curretnly 26, but I've never really done weight lifting except for 1/4 a semester in High School gym class.  This year I've decided to start lifting regularly but my 2 biggest concerns are A) I don't know how often to change exercises, and B) I don't know enough excercises to be able to tell what I need to do and when I need to do it.

I heard about muscle adaptation and I'm wondering how often should I be chaning my routine to prevent my muscles from adapting?  Is it the kind of thing I need to change every month? every week?

Any suggestions on where to go to learn more about lifting in general?  I picked up Arnold's bodybuilding encyclopedia because it was $5 at a used book store, but it seems to be more for people who want to build muscle for competition.  My main goals are to get stronger, and lose fat, not necessarily to look huge.


Since nobody asked...what are your goals? Size, Strength, Performance, BB, etc.


Westside for Skinny Bastards by Joe Defranco is one of the most proven all around routines out there regardless of your current weight, BMI, and experience.

It is posted for free over at Dave Tates site. Here is a link
WSFSB

There is so much free crap out there so search and read. Also T-Nationhas some great articles.
6/20/2008 3:50:46 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
As far as changing your basic exercises... I dont ever do that.  I do not belive you need to.  You need exercises that hit every muscle group and to arrange them so you have time for recovery. I dont believe in lifting for strenght or lifting for hypertrophy... I just lift.  I get bigger and stronger.  It is neither a hypertrophy based or strength based program.  It gets me the most out of my time and helps both equally.

My lifting routine is:

Mon: Chest/Bi
Wed: Legs
Fri: Shoulders/Back

Mon: Flat bench, Standing Curls, Incline press, Preacher Curls, Flys, Concentration curls, burnout of dips to failure followed by pushups to failure

Wed: Squats, Leg extensions to failure, Leg curls, Stainding calf raises

Fri: Overhead shoulder press, Rows, latteral raises, wide grip chins, some rear delt exercise

This never changes and I dont really plateau.  I do abs as often as I can.  I might change the flat bench from DB to barbell but its always that exercise in that order.  I set up the exercises to allow maximum recovery by working alternating muscle groups and resting the opposing muscle group each exercise and not hitting a bicep or tricep workout without at least 2 days of recovery on that muscle as it again limits your strength... this allows me to lift heavier on every exercsie.  I do 3 sets to failure of each exercise.  I never do more than 10 reps of anything or I increase the weight.  I do leg extensions after squats because I eventually max out any machine and do more than 10 reps with all the weight even when its right after heavy squats.

Things I almost never do: Deadlifts, Triceps, Seated calf raises.  These dont really do anything for me but cause injury and reduce recovery if done more than every once in a great while.  They might get done once every month or two.

Whne most people who are beginers follow me and do my workout the common comment is "thats it?"  They dont feel like that for very long if they truely lift to failure every day they lift on every exercsie excercise for every set.

Noone does my workout and nooone will agree with it on any forum you might encounter.  I did win the get in shape contest we had with it though.
You have got to be kidding me.