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Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:06:11 PM EST
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No salmon, as its a tributary to the Columbia and up river of Chief George. Big sturgeon hatchery in Bonners though.The tribe will not be happy.
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That's supposed to be a big time salmon trout fishery.  Even sturgeon in though from what I see

Fish are probably having a worse day but then the flows look pretty high and should dilute the diesel.
No salmon, as its a tributary to the Columbia and up river of Chief George. Big sturgeon hatchery in Bonners though.The tribe will not be happy.
Shocking.

Are any of them ever happy?
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:06:44 PM EST
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Doubt it. At the very least, no way they are going let it sit there and continue to leak fuel and oil into the river. Recovery equipment is undoubtedly already on site and work has begun to clean up the mess and restore service.

That isn’t even as bad as it looks.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2117/6DE9DED9-6C4A-47A5-B855-3DB45D6E6756_jpeg-1217747.JPG

A couple of sidewinders or a big crane and they will have that thing out of the river in a few hours.
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Check out the rocks to the side of the coiled feel car.  Think they hit boulders or rock slide?

ETA: and the "scarring" on the slope above the train too...
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:07:02 PM EST
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No kidding.  Silly engineers should know that choo choo's can't swim.  
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:07:34 PM EST
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Casey Jones
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:11:21 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:13:50 PM EST
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You think that federal and state environmental regulatory agencies would allow that to happen?
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Didn't this happen a few years ago in the same river and the wound up just leaving the train there?


You think that federal and state environmental regulatory agencies would allow that to happen?
Well there’s a couple of agencies that have decided to leave two fishing boats in the water that sunk out at my parents community where they live. One sunk about two years ago and the other one this summer. coast guard refused to raise them and haul them away. The owner doesn't have the money to do it. only three or four feet stick out of the water.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:14:19 PM EST
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Check out the rocks to the side of the coiled feel car.  Think they hit boulders or rock slide?

ETA: and the "scarring" on the slope above the train too...
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Doubt it. At the very least, no way they are going let it sit there and continue to leak fuel and oil into the river. Recovery equipment is undoubtedly already on site and work has begun to clean up the mess and restore service.

That isn’t even as bad as it looks.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/2117/6DE9DED9-6C4A-47A5-B855-3DB45D6E6756_jpeg-1217747.JPG

A couple of sidewinders or a big crane and they will have that thing out of the river in a few hours.
@Boomer

Check out the rocks to the side of the coiled feel car.  Think they hit boulders or rock slide?

ETA: and the "scarring" on the slope above the train too...
Probably both. Looks to me like they hit a rock slide with boulders in it. Sort of a glancing blow that diverted the locomotives down the embankment and into the river. Given that most of the the train appears to be on the rail and not all stacked up, it seems like it happened at a fairly low speed, too. I can’t tell if there is a slide fence along that track. Hope this doesn’t turn out to be yet another restricted speed violation.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:15:27 PM EST
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oops!
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:18:45 PM EST
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That had to be one hell of a ride into the river! Hopefully we can see the playback of the forward facing camera and the inward facing one. Not sure which one will be better!
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After some video of incidents got leaked years ago, BNSF has become pretty tight-fisted with loco-cam footage. I couldn’t even get some that didn’t even involve an incident when I requested it for safety training.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:24:24 PM EST
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Well there’s a couple of agencies that have decided to leave two fishing boats in the water that sunk out at my parents community where they live. One sunk about two years ago and the other one this summer. coast guard refused to raise them and haul them away. The owner doesn't have the money to do it. only three or four feet stick out of the water.
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Didn't this happen a few years ago in the same river and the wound up just leaving the train there?


You think that federal and state environmental regulatory agencies would allow that to happen?
Well there’s a couple of agencies that have decided to leave two fishing boats in the water that sunk out at my parents community where they live. One sunk about two years ago and the other one this summer. coast guard refused to raise them and haul them away. The owner doesn't have the money to do it. only three or four feet stick out of the water.
The railroads have way deeper pockets, a way higher profile, probably stricter regulatory oversight and legions of critics, detractors and enemies. Those boats probably don’t have the same quantities of fuel and lubricants on board, either.

No way that a locomotive just gets left laying in a river in this country in this day and age.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 2:53:30 PM EST
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A foamer is a train nerd.

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All that time and trouble to take a grainy worthless video.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 4:10:39 PM EST
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That may affect someone's next Efficiency Report.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 5:00:33 PM EST
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Shocking.

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As far as I can tell not for the last couple centuries. Pretty sure they benefit from hydroelectric power and trains same as the rest of us. Take those things away and leave them with a better sturgeon population and see how happy they are.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 5:14:10 PM EST
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He wasn't watching his speed.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 7:25:28 PM EST
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Looks like a water diversion structure if not a dam.  Hope they got a permit from the Corps of Engineers.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 7:32:49 PM EST
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But those are General Electric locomotives.  They probably got drunk for New Years and wanted to live up to the old family nickname for GEs; U-Boat.
Old GE U-Boat
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 7:50:46 PM EST
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BNSF has crews out working the tracks damn near 365 days a year, but they run through some spectacularly rugged country and unfortunately most follow the rivers (and by extension the lakes). Ecology probably wasn't the top driver when they started built them, but it's got to keep a lot of RR execs up at night now.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 10:45:18 PM EST
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Trainy McBoatface.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 10:47:36 PM EST
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(I'm not either... I just love that meme. )
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Train people are weird.
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Incredibly weird.
Link Posted: 1/2/2020 10:50:05 PM EST
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Shocking.

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That's supposed to be a big time salmon trout fishery.  Even sturgeon in though from what I see

Fish are probably having a worse day but then the flows look pretty high and should dilute the diesel.
No salmon, as its a tributary to the Columbia and up river of Chief George. Big sturgeon hatchery in Bonners though.The tribe will not be happy.
Shocking.

Are any of them ever happy?
As happy as the white foamer? Not likely.

Link Posted: 1/3/2020 12:11:55 AM EST
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Still doesn’t explain why the name foamer. Is it because they jizz their pants every time they see a train? It’s  a dumb and weird name.
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From my friend Lee, who is from a whole family of Southern Pacific, Cotton Belt, Texas & New Orleans employees.  (Cotton Belt and T&NO
were SP subsidiaries.)

From Lee "Railgoat" Gautreaux:

"Freaked
Out
Altogether
Mentally
Incompetent
Train
Enthusiast

Foamite was also the brand name of an anti-foaming additive used in steam locomotive water.

Goat"
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 12:27:06 AM EST
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Still doesn’t explain why the name foamer. Is it because they jizz their pants every time they see a train? It’s  a dumb and weird name.
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Because the dipshits "foam" at the mouth whenever they see a train....
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 5:45:41 AM EST
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Probably both. Looks to me like they hit a rock slide with boulders in it. Sort of a glancing blow that diverted the locomotives down the embankment and into the river. Given that most of the the train appears to be on the rail and not all stacked up, it seems like it happened at a fairly low speed, too. I can’t tell if there is a slide fence along that track. Hope this doesn’t turn out to be yet another restricted speed violation.
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It sure looks like a good place to have a slide fence. Maybe the hill slid after he was already in the block?
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 5:51:46 AM EST
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Article says Only Accessible by Train or Boat, yet the picture shows a truck door open at the scene.

Nice
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 6:05:31 AM EST
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Well it could have been some 737's that jumped the track

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Wow - that looks expensive.

Derailment into a river must be scary - especially if it happens in the dark.
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 6:07:09 AM EST
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Article says Only Accessible by Train or Boat, yet the picture shows a truck door open at the scene.

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It's a railroad pickup?  They pick the tires up and drive on the tracks.  Do you see a road in any of those pictures?
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 6:10:36 AM EST
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It's a railroad pickup?  They pick the tires up and drive on the tracks.  Do you see a road in any of those pictures?
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It's a railroad pickup?  They pick the tires up and drive on the tracks.  Do you see a road in any of those pictures?
Did you not prove my point while attempting to argue?
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 6:13:59 AM EST
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The railroads have way deeper pockets, a way higher profile, probably stricter regulatory oversight and legions of critics, detractors and enemies. Those boats probably don’t have the same quantities of fuel and lubricants on board, either.

No way that a locomotive just gets left laying in a river in this country in this day and age.
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Didn't this happen a few years ago in the same river and the wound up just leaving the train there?


You think that federal and state environmental regulatory agencies would allow that to happen?
Well there’s a couple of agencies that have decided to leave two fishing boats in the water that sunk out at my parents community where they live. One sunk about two years ago and the other one this summer. coast guard refused to raise them and haul them away. The owner doesn't have the money to do it. only three or four feet stick out of the water.
The railroads have way deeper pockets, a way higher profile, probably stricter regulatory oversight and legions of critics, detractors and enemies. Those boats probably don’t have the same quantities of fuel and lubricants on board, either.

No way that a locomotive just gets left laying in a river in this country in this day and age.
And those locomotives are a capital investment, and losing money every day they're not pulling freight.

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 10:45:59 AM EST
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Did you not prove my point while attempting to argue?
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Article says Only Accessible by Train or Boat, yet the picture shows a truck door open at the scene.

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It's a railroad pickup?  They pick the tires up and drive on the tracks.  Do you see a road in any of those pictures?
Did you not prove my point while attempting to argue?
Google the term "hi-rail".

ETA, and no, he did not.
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 12:30:58 PM EST
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Didn't this happen a few years ago in the same river and the wound up just leaving the train there?


You think that federal and state environmental regulatory agencies would allow that to happen?
Maybe he is thinking of a recent incident in Utah where they detonated the cars of propane and biodiesel that were at the bottom of a valley because there was no viable way to access them to hot-tap and remove the product?
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 12:33:04 PM EST
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No they don't ............ they put the flanged wheels down on the rails and that lifts the entire vehicle so the tires clear the rails.
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 1:19:59 PM EST
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No they don't ............ they put the flanged wheels down on the rails and that lifts the entire vehicle so the tires clear the rails.
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It's a railroad pickup?  They pick the tires up and drive on the tracks.  Do you see a road in any of those pictures?
No they don't ............ they put the flanged wheels down on the rails and that lifts the entire vehicle so the tires clear the rails.
The tires are actually in contact with the rails and provide traction, motion and braking just like they do in normal driving. This is why you see those goofy looking wheels on hi-rail trucks: They provide a track width that matches the gauge of the railroad track. These vehicles also have steering wheel locks so the front wheels can’t be turned out of alignment with the rail when being used in hi-rail mode. The small flanged wheels that lower onto the rails are just guides that keep the vehicle aligned on the tracks.

Some other hi-rail equipment such as tracked excavators do have hi-rail wheels that provide propulsion and braking.
Link Posted: 1/3/2020 3:15:58 PM EST
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The tires are actually in contact with the rails and provide traction, motion and braking just like they do in normal driving. This is why you see those goofy looking wheels on hi-rail trucks: They provide a track width that matches the gauge of the railroad track. These vehicles also have steering wheel locks so the front wheels can't be turned out of alignment with the rail when being used in hi-rail mode. The small flanged wheels that lower onto the rails are just guides that keep the vehicle aligned on the tracks.

Some other hi-rail equipment such as tracked excavators do have hi-rail wheels that provide propulsion and braking.
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Roger, thanks.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 12:02:22 AM EST
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Well the lead engine has finally been removed from the river. They had to float it to the other side where a pad was constructed upon which the locomotive is being disassembled for scrap.

BNSF lead engine floated flawlessly out of the Kootenai River

In a Herculean effort that began at 8:30 a.m. Sunday, January 26, with divers, salvage specialists, BNSF mechanical teams, eight Cats with cables, two stationary winches and other assorted gear, huge floats were inflated along both sides of the locomotive, the engine floated up off the riverbed and it was eased gently across to a beach on the north bank specially prepared with layers of rock and plastic sheeting and placed for salvage by noon.

The good fortune continued today, as the locomotive is already nearly half disassembled.
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Link Posted: 1/29/2020 12:31:38 AM EST
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I live less than a mile from there. Its been really cool to watch the equipment comming in, you can tell its a big money operation, the 2 winches they brough in on those super heavy lowboy trucks with like 30 wheels. They cut a road in and have been tearing the shit out of the diches on the south side of hwy 2.  We had 2 feet of snow 2 weeks ago, but the temps have been it 40's for the last 6 days and the snow is almost gone.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:06:54 AM EST
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No salmon, as its a tributary to the Columbia and up river of Chief George. Big sturgeon hatchery in Bonners though. The tribe will not be happy.
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Columbia tributaries have salmon runs. Hell, the entire Snake and Salmon River drainages dump into the Columbia, as does the Clearwater and they all have salmon runs, (except the Snake upstream of Hell's Canyon dam).

Hells Canyon Dam has no fish ladder so they blocked several thousand miles of salmon habitat when they built that fucker.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:09:47 AM EST
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Where do you get divers for that kind of job?
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:12:25 AM EST
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Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:16:55 AM EST
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Over a BL-2 in the wild... yourgoddamnright.gif
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I saw BL-2's on the WM & BAR before they were museum pieces.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:32:01 AM EST
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Well the lead engine has finally been removed from the river. They had to float it to the other side where a pad was constructed upon which the locomotive is being disassembled for scrap.

BNSF lead engine floated flawlessly out of the Kootenai River

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That seems pretty fast , the one you guys flipped on the North end of my farm was there for a week
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:32:26 AM EST
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Well the lead engine has finally been removed from the river. They had to float it to the other side where a pad was constructed upon which the locomotive is being disassembled for scrap.

BNSF lead engine floated flawlessly out of the Kootenai River

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Ok Boomer
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:39:38 AM EST
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A foamer is a train nerd.

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Honestly I'm jealous. I wish I was as passionate about something as that guy is about trains. Good for him.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:45:08 AM EST
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I no-homo love your avatar
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:46:11 AM EST
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Yeah that was a bad day.

Thanks for all the re-routes, rock slide.
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 2:24:52 AM EST
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Turn your speakers up!!! General Electric U30C's up a 1.63% grade in notch 8!


Link Posted: 1/29/2020 6:51:50 AM EST
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More notable than the train was the Ford Probe in Tangerine Frost.

You don't see many of those in the wild anymore
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:18:23 PM EST
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Thanks to those who provided updates!
Link Posted: 1/29/2020 1:26:08 PM EST
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Where's that confounded bridge?
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