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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:17:54 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Grendel-OK:
I mean, what the fuck is NASA actually DOING these days? And why would anyone who is qualified to do this stuff ever want to work for NASA ever again?

Does anyone realistically think that NASA will ever fly any manned missions ever again? Space X will be building weekend condos on Mars while NASA is still driving remote controlled cars around and looking at pebbles.

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JPL has been doing awesome shit, all the recent Mars rovers have been wildly successful.

Orion and SLS is just one giant pork program for various congressional districts and MIC contractors though.

NASA just doesn't need to build or design rockets anymore. It makes as much sense as the FBI building and designing their own cars.

Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 4940 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:19:18 AM EST [#2] Quote History Originally Posted By Lacoochee: In America, pipe welders build starships. View Quote

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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:20:44 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Lacoochee:
In America, pipe welders build starships.

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It's an awesome shot

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Element94 Member Joined Feb 2009 Posts 6554 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:29:17 AM EST [#4] It still seems like its all taking forever. We went from nothing to the moon in 10 years. We put stuff in orbit and land it back numerous times and slap ourselves on the back like we've never been off the ground before. The last shuttle flight was 8 years ago.

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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:39:17 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Element94:
It still seems like its all taking forever. We went from nothing to the moon in 10 years. We put stuff in orbit and land it back numerous times and slap ourselves on the back like we've never been off the ground before. The last shuttle flight was 8 years ago.

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SpaceX is going pretty fast.

They only successfully launched their first smallsat launcher a decade ago... Basically a big hobby rocket. Now they are re-using boosters and putting 25-30% of the world's launch mass into space, and have a ~70% share of the commercial market. This rocket they are working on will be the biggest rocket ever, ~5000 tonnes at liftoff and 100-150 tonnes to LEO with full reusability.

Spade Mercenary Joined Mar 2002 Posts 48056 EE 100% (6) VAT	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:42:04 AM EST [#6] Quote History Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvDZsnnX4AIq82s.jpg They're building a test article for the upper stage similar to the grasshopper they built to test booster landing equipment for the Falcon rocket Video of Grasshopper View Quote Finally somebody builds a spaceship that looks like a spaceship.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:44:21 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Lacoochee:
In America, pipe welders build starships.

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Originally Posted By Chokey:

Stainless Steel Starship pic.twitter.com/rRoiEKKrYc
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In America, pipe welders build starships.

In a field.

Quite a change from the sterile conditions at NASA.

Funny seeing a Dually with a welder in the back of it parked next to a spaceship.

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Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 4943 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:45:20 AM EST [#8] Quote History Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret: In a field. Quite a change from the sterile conditions at NASA. Funny seeing a Dually with a welder in the back of it parked next to a spaceship. View Quote

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The thing that strikes me about the pics is that this thing is being built in a field. Not in a cleanroom.

I know it is probably just a mock up or test vehicle, but it says something that they are getting space travel out from specialized and into the every day.

When your rocket building contractors just back up to the thing to work on it with tools out of their F250, that just screams "AMERICA" to me.

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Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 4944 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:47:20 AM EST [Last Edit: Neotopiaman] [#10] Quote History Originally Posted By Spade: Finally somebody builds a spaceship that looks like a spaceship. View Quote Apparently it's going to be shiny too: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1077115129055956994 It lands Heinlein style... what's old is new again.

MethaneMover Enginerd Joined Jan 2008 Posts 22805 EE 100% (36) OK, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 9:49:05 AM EST [#11] Quote History Originally Posted By Rumrunner358: Neat but the photo looks like someone building a corn silo View Quote Ha, that was my first thought. Rocket? Looks like a grain silo.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:52:22 AM EST

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Originally Posted By midcap:
Simple chemistry, the vacuum of space does not have all that air

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Originally Posted By Variable556:

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Originally Posted By raven:
I can't wait until we have factories in space.

If BFR works out, why bother? Cheaper to build it here and launch it.

Forging steel in space would be 100x stronger.

Any links or cites? I've always been curious about any possible differences, but I haven't seen anything substantive.

Simple chemistry, the vacuum of space does not have all that air

How is that different than a Vacuum Arc Remelt?

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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:53:28 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:
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Originally Posted By Neotopiaman:

Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:

In a field.

Quite a change from the sterile conditions at NASA.

Funny seeing a Dually with a welder in the back of it parked next to a spaceship.

https://i.ibb.co/vYH6Gnh/Expanding-Brain.jpg

To be fair the ones that go into space won't be built in fields

Still awesome though.

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Posted: 12/24/2018 9:54:25 AM EST

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Originally Posted By Cole2534:
Ha, that was my first thought. Rocket? Looks like a grain silo.

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Originally Posted By Cole2534:

Originally Posted By Rumrunner358:
Neat

but the photo looks like someone building a corn silo

Ha, that was my first thought. Rocket? Looks like a grain silo.

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HeavyMetal Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars Joined Feb 2001 Posts 38589 EE 100% (4) WV, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 10:34:51 AM EST [#16] Quote History Originally Posted By Cole2534: How is that different than a Vacuum Arc Remelt? View Quote The advantage to space is it cools without stratification. Perpetual free-fall.
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OFFascist Member Joined Jun 2004 Posts 10877 EE 100% (1) TX, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 10:42:43 AM EST [#17] Quote History Originally Posted By Chokey: Stainless Steel Starship pic.twitter.com/rRoiEKKrYc Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 24, 2018 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvKmsU1V4AE9Xqr.jpg View Quote I'm surprised that is being built out in the open on the beach.
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Posted: 12/24/2018 10:57:50 AM EST

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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal:

The advantage to space is it cools without stratification. Perpetual free-fall.

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The biggest advantage eventually to manufacturing in space is the orders-of-magnitude increase in resources (in the asteroid belt) and energy (from the sun). Once we can cheaply and reliably get out of the gravity well, industry on a scale that would be totally unimaginable on Earth is possible....

ToledoXJ Joined Nov 2011 Posts 19490 EE 100% (5) USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 11:00:57 AM EST [#20] Quote History Originally Posted By raven: I can't wait until we have factories in space. View Quote Well apparently Musk builds his rockets outdoors in a field using Genie lifts

Neotopiaman Joined Jul 2017 Posts 4948 EE 0% (0) NH, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 11:01:51 AM EST [#21] Quote History Originally Posted By OFFascist: I'm surprised that is being built out in the open on the beach. View Quote This one wont be going to space though, it's basically a testbed for the takeoff and landing equipment.

Kharn Mushroom Cloud Measurer Joined Nov 2000 Posts 40706 EE 100% (12) MD, USA	Posted: 12/24/2018 11:06:45 AM EST [#22] Quote History Originally Posted By Chokey: Stainless Steel Starship pic.twitter.com/rRoiEKKrYc Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 24, 2018 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvKmsU1V4AE9Xqr.jpg View Quote That's a huge bitch. Kharn

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Posted: 12/24/2018 1:49:43 PM EST

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Originally Posted By ToledoXJ:
Well apparently Musk builds his rockets outdoors in a field using Genie lifts

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Originally Posted By raven:
I can't wait until we have factories in space.

Well apparently Musk builds his rockets outdoors in a field using Genie lifts

I see two Genies , a Skyjack and two JLG's.

Chokey King of Gifs Joined Oct 2001 Posts 61733 EE 0% (0) OH, USA	Posted: 12/26/2018 11:16:03 PM EST [#24] Queue 2001: Space Odyysey soundtrack Here is my rendition of @SpaceX Starship! The new stainless Steel and gold windows makes it look really killer! Wallpaper version coming tonight#SpaceX #BFR #Starship pic.twitter.com/hILv490WW1 Reese Wilson (@AstroReeseW) December 27, 2018

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Posted: 12/26/2018 11:39:13 PM EST

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Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:

In a field.

Quite a change from the sterile conditions at NASA.

Funny seeing a Dually with a welder in the back of it parked next to a spaceship.

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I worked with a NASA welder back in the early 80's. He welded on all sorts of good stuff for them. Yes in clean rooms. Seeing these pictures of this "rocket" being guilt outside is concerning. It's not inconel, you have to weld that in a very controlled environment. Must be a form of stainless, still welding it outside....

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Originally Posted By JohnnyP:
I worked with a NASA welder back in the early 80's. He welded on all sorts of good stuff for them. Yes in clean rooms. Seeing these pictures of this "rocket" being guilt outside is concerning. It's not inconel, you have to weld that in a very controlled environment. Must be a form of stainless, still welding it outside....

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Originally Posted By JohnnyP:

Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:

In a field.

Quite a change from the sterile conditions at NASA.

Funny seeing a Dually with a welder in the back of it parked next to a spaceship.

I worked with a NASA welder back in the early 80's. He welded on all sorts of good stuff for them. Yes in clean rooms. Seeing these pictures of this "rocket" being guilt outside is concerning. It's not inconel, you have to weld that in a very controlled environment. Must be a form of stainless, still welding it outside....

The vehicle in the OP is a low-altitude test rocket. It is fine that it is being built in a field.

It's not only being made out of stainless, it's probably not even a particularly advanced alloy. No reason to save weight on a payload-free low altitude test vehicle.

The thing being tested here is landing behavior for that size rocket, landing legs, control systems, etc.

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Pavelow16478 Member Joined Dec 2005 Posts 7245 EE 100% (37) USA	Posted: 12/27/2018 10:04:56 AM EST [#29] How about the chances that Starship reaches orbit in 2020? Eric Ralph (@13ericralph31) December 27, 2018 Probability at 60% & rising rapidly due to new architecture Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2018

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tnriverluver Member Joined Oct 2012 Posts 20957 EE 0% (0) TN, USA	Posted: 12/28/2018 7:13:53 PM EST [#31] Fucking amazing the speed that Spacex is moving.

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How is that different than a Vacuum Arc Remelt?

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Originally Posted By midcap:

Simple chemistry, the vacuum of space does not have all that air

How is that different than a Vacuum Arc Remelt?

once you have the lift its a lot cheaper to do it with unlimited power with space mirrors, and doing it in a vacuum is far cheaper then making a vacuum.

John Ringo is the only on I have really seen imagine early space industry right.

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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
once you have the lift its a lot cheaper to do it with unlimited power with space mirrors, and doing it in a vacuum is far cheaper then making a vacuum.

John Ringo is the only on I have really seen imagine early space industry right.

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Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:

Originally Posted By Cole2534:

Originally Posted By midcap:

Simple chemistry, the vacuum of space does not have all that air

How is that different than a Vacuum Arc Remelt?

once you have the lift its a lot cheaper to do it with unlimited power with space mirrors, and doing it in a vacuum is far cheaper then making a vacuum.

John Ringo is the only on I have really seen imagine early space industry right.

Ringo gets a lot of stuff right.

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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Fucking amazing the speed that Spacex is moving.

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SpaceX uses quick iteration and fast failure, which is the same process that got us from rockets being large fireworks displays to less than ten years later walking on the moon.

Oldspace is paralysis by analysis, which is why it has taken a decade to design/build a rocket from shuttle hand-me-downs.

theskuh arcoholic Joined Aug 2007 Posts 8256 EE 100% (9) USA	Posted: 1/1/2019 10:38:26 AM EST [#41] Quote History Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=47070.0;attach=1536472;image She's sprouting Raptor engines! View Quote I love this shot. Just using a rented telehandler to mount a 3d printed engine.
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Pavelow16478 Member Joined Dec 2005 Posts 7272 EE 100% (37) USA	Posted: 1/1/2019 10:52:26 AM EST [#42] Quote History Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=47070.0;attach=1536472;image She's sprouting Raptor engines! View Quote I wonder if those are the subscale development Raptors. Their production Raptors haven't reached the test stand yet.

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Originally Posted By Pavelow16478:

I wonder if those are the subscale development Raptors. Their production Raptors haven't reached the test stand yet.

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The engine bells are the right diameter for the full-sized Raptors (1.3m), but they could also be mockups to test the gimballing software/equipment before they install real ones.

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Pavelow16478 Member Joined Dec 2005 Posts 7273 EE 100% (37) USA	Posted: 1/1/2019 12:00:31 PM EST [#46] Quote History Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: The engine bells are the right diameter for the full-sized Raptors (1.3m), but they could also be mockups to test the gimballing software/equipment before they install real ones. View Quote They are also altitude compensating dual bell nozzles if you look closely. Can't wait to see it fly!

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Back in the early 90`s IIRC one manufacturer actually experimented with having shipyard workers weld together single use rocket engines to try and reduce launch costs. It apparently worked.

ETA: If NASA turned SLS over to Musk, it would probably be flying already.

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