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Posted: 5/1/2023 3:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: FAA sued over SpaceX Starship launch program following April explosion lol
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Posted: 5/1/2023 4:45:00 PM EDT
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It doesn’t vent it, it combusts it.
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Posted: 5/1/2023 5:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: FAA sued over SpaceX Starship launch program following April explosion lol |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 10:51:10 AM EDT
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 Excavation for Starship's New Water Cooled Pad Begins | SpaceX Boca Chica |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 3:41:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2023 4:14:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: I wonder how much $ Jeff Bezos gave them to sue the FAA? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mort: Originally Posted By fredegar: FAA sued over SpaceX Starship launch program following April explosion lol "Center for Biological Diversity" = 4 leftist agitators. https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/center-for-biological-diversity/ |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 4:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
One of the big differences between SpaceX and the old space companies. SpaceX expects to blow things up and destroy things. They're moving on fixing it right away. Traditional companies would spend 2 years analyzing it, 5 or 10 more years designing something new, and then another 5 or 10 years building it at 10* the original cost or more. |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 4:26:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: One of the big differences between SpaceX and the old space companies. SpaceX expects to blow things up and destroy things. They're moving on fixing it right away. Traditional companies would spend 2 years analyzing it, 5 or 10 more years designing something new, and then another 5 or 10 years building it at 10* the original cost or more. Yeah... Sweep the pad. Cut out bad chucks, torch out the rebar.. retie. The only slow forn would be is if they want to design changes, other then the already planned system. |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 6:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By David0858:
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Posted: 5/2/2023 8:18:37 PM EDT
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Not Starship but too cool not to post.
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Posted: 5/2/2023 8:28:36 PM EDT
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So are we pretty sure now all those engines would have been firing if not for heavy debris that probably hit them?
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Posted: 5/2/2023 8:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: So are we pretty sure now all those engines would have been firing if not for heavy debris that probably hit them? Scott Manley said three didn’t fire from the beginning and they launched anyway since it was above their minimum However, there also were starting engines in banks, who’s to say if those three were damaged before their bank got the ignition command? |
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Posted: 5/2/2023 9:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Not Starship but too cool not to post.
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Posted: 5/2/2023 9:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: So are we pretty sure now all those engines would have been firing if not for heavy debris that probably hit them? Official word is that there is no evidence that any damage was done to the rocket, engines or otherwise from debris. |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 7:09:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2023 7:10:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slanted: Scott Manley said three didn’t fire from the beginning and they launched anyway since it was above their minimum However, there also were starting engines in banks, who’s to say if those three were damaged before their bank got the ignition command? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slanted: Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: So are we pretty sure now all those engines would have been firing if not for heavy debris that probably hit them? Scott Manley said three didn’t fire from the beginning and they launched anyway since it was above their minimum However, there also were starting engines in banks, who’s to say if those three were damaged before their bank got the ignition command? Those three started but were not green to throttle up to 100% so they commanded them to shut down. Per a tweet from Elon last week. |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 7:21:00 AM EDT
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 SpaceX Starbase Orbital Launch Mount Dog House Removal 4K Starship Super Heavy Boca Chica Beach TX |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 3:58:39 PM EDT
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External shell of the LOX tank has been patched.
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Posted: 5/3/2023 4:50:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: External shell of the LOX tank has been patched.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvOUKENWIAUTAcx?format=jpg&name=medium So exactly what I predicted? 
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Posted: 5/3/2023 4:52:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: So exactly what I predicted? /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/nod-3.gif  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 5:11:32 PM EDT
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2 perfect gifs.
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Posted: 5/3/2023 9:23:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: 2 perfect gifs. I'm sticking with my June 28th launch prediction. I'll see your June 28 and raise you... ONE JULY FOURTH! |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 9:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpanishInquisition: I'll see your June 28 and raise you... ONE JULY FOURTH! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpanishInquisition: Originally Posted By Zam18th: 2 perfect gifs. I'm sticking with my June 28th launch prediction. I'll see your June 28 and raise you... ONE JULY FOURTH!  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:11:11 AM EDT
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With all the work being done to the pad/Stage 0, and all the other progress, I don't want the first test flight to be forgotten.
Because, it flew. IT FLEW!  So with high expectations for a glorious future in space, I'll light some candles in memory of the accomplishment. 
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Posted: 5/4/2023 12:14:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ_Dual: With all the work being done to the pad/Stage 0, and all the other progress, I don't want the first test flight to be forgotten. Because, it flew. IT FLEW! So with high expectations for a glorious future in space, I'll light some candles in memory of the accomplishment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/93097/FB_IMG_1683172510801-2805075.jpg That’s touching. But I don’t think we can ever forget Ship 24 and Booster 7 smoked on 4/20. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 8:18:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: I don't think we can ever forget Ship 24 and Booster 7 smoked on 4/20.  |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 9:03:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -SkyRaider-]
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The launch pad got hella fucked up.
Why is there no flame trench and no deluge system? ...and why are those cryo tanks so close to it? |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 9:24:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yobro512]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: The launch pad got hella fucked up. Why is there no flame trench and no deluge system? ...and why are those cryo tanks so close to it? 1. its in a nature preserve. They were given a postage stamp as a launch pad. cryos gotta be close. 2. The flame trench is 360 degrees. 3. they were curious if they needed a deluge right then because the concrete never acted that poorly when they did static fires or previous launches. the concrete destruction was orders of magnitude worse for only 2x the thrust. 4. they are putting an experimental deluge/blast suppressor in right now. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 9:37:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: The launch pad got hella fucked up. Why is there no flame trench and no deluge system? ...and why are those cryo tanks so close to it? 
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Posted: 5/4/2023 9:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvLjGcsWIAEkCC1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvLkT8iWIAM7wFG?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 @Houstons_Problem what say ye to the steam blast shield thing. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:37:11 AM EDT
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Looks like someone got video from a nearby passenger plane. Guessing a Mexican flight.
 SpaceX Starship Launch Explosion seen from Plane - Elon Musk |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:48:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Looks like someone got video from a nearby passenger plane. Guessing a Mexican flight.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZutX1PP0BQI’m guessing Lufthansa. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:57:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Looks like someone got video from a nearby passenger plane. Guessing a Mexican flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZutX1PP0BQThere was no "smoke trail" like that, and the explosion was horribly done. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:04:52 AM EDT
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Eh. Comments are saying a render in MSFS.
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Posted: 5/10/2023 1:29:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion: For the purposes of landing on the Moon... Gateway is a parasite. It's less expensive to just directly land at any place on the Moon than to stop at the gateway first. The current plan for the gateway is for it to be smaller than the ISS by a lot. It's basically a hut. I would agree that a good use for it would be as a temporary living area to facilitate the building of a large rotating Space Station. Materials for such a station could be mined, refined, and launched from the Moon. The Moon is a great place to go if your goal is to exploit its resources to build a Space Station to use for refining asteroids. Once built, start with the Near Earth Asteroids... the ones that often pass between the Earth and the Moon (several a month do this) and any that may one day impact Earth. Once you've cleared those out then start on the asteroid belt. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 1:41:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: He is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. He needs to have outside folks come in and review his systems. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AmericanPeople: Originally Posted By mousehunter: They were building a system of water cooled steel plates to protect the concrete before the launch - but had not had time to install it. My humble understanding is was going to be a steel sandwich with water cooling in the center. They believed the active water cooling on the back side of the plate could prevent the front side from melting due to the rockets - with the plates protecting the concrete from the direct fire of the blast. Of course, if the water flash vaporizes - I bet Musk could get a bigga boom. I can not see how heat almost capable of melting steel on one side would not boil water on the other. He is putting a bandaid on a gaping wound. He needs to have outside folks come in and review his systems. Musk was mentally prepared to completely rebuild stage 0, the tower and everything before he hit the big red button. Facts are 95% of this untested launch system performed as designed and the only thing I would personally be concerned with is the supersonic concrete pieces leaving the site. The fact that they are not demoing the Stage zero and tower and going to some other plan says a lot more than some GD spelunkers. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 10:18:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJ_Dual: With all the work being done to the pad/Stage 0, and all the other progress, I don't want the first test flight to be forgotten. Because, it flew. IT FLEW! So with high expectations for a glorious future in space, I'll light some candles in memory of the accomplishment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/93097/FB_IMG_1683172510801-2805075.jpg 
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Posted: 5/10/2023 10:30:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tortilla-flats: Looks like someone got video from a nearby passenger plane. Guessing a Mexican flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZutX1PP0BQHighly doubtful especially with the NOTAM notice. No planes are going anywhere near the area of that launch. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 4:05:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wwace: you all seem to think Musk gives a fuck Musk was mentally prepared to completely rebuild stage 0, the tower and everything before he hit the big red button. Facts are 95% of this untested launch system performed as designed and the only thing I would personally be concerned with is the supersonic concrete pieces leaving the site. The fact that they are not demoing the Stage zero and tower and going to some other plan says a lot more than some GD spelunkers. Also, *WHAT* "outside people"? The ones who have already proven themselves incapable of developing better rockets? |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 8:12:49 PM EDT
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thread
 The Design Flaw That Caused The Starship Launchpad to Fail! |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 10:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvJc2wkyekUGood video. Zack nailed that one. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapsh00ter99: I'm guessing fake. There was no "smoke trail" like that, and the explosion was horribly done. Agree. I don't recall any clouds and you can see land in the distance. |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 12:25:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Lunar Starship control panel of some sort.
Makes sense that they'd lean on what they've already developed for dragon. Zooming in, I can make out what looks like "approach phase" and "landing" on the bottom. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvsnYJPaYAEnXjK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096  |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 9:14:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Lunar Starship control panel of some sort.
Makes sense that they'd lean on what they've already developed for dragon. Zooming in, I can make out what looks like "approach phase" and "landing" on the bottom. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvsnYJPaYAEnXjK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvsnYJPaYAEnXjK?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 He is heavily involved in lunar Starship controls so not surprised to see him in this shot. Nick |
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Posted: 5/11/2023 4:01:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando_Guy: Hah! I recognize the guy in the background from when I was down at Starbase in February. Talked for a while and gleaned lots of interesting info. He is heavily involved in lunar Starship controls so not surprised to see him in this shot. Nick I can't wait to see the prototype. It's going to be a fascinating vehicle. |
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Posted: 5/12/2023 12:10:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2023 4:40:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Re: throat film cooling manifold
ETA Full test
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Posted: 5/14/2023 12:37:40 PM EDT
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 Narrated SpaceX Starbase, Tx Flyover Update! 10-minute videos are back! |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 1:03:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: SpaceX hires former NASA human spaceflight official Kathy Lueders to help with Starship That's excellent. Kathy went from Commercial Crew to head of human spaceflight at NASA; she could not be a better fit. |
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