Posted: 7/12/2015 7:30:35 PM EDT
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We have a 2 yr old female GSD mix that we has spayed before her first heat that has recently started peeing herself in her sleep. Doing some research it appears that for Spayed females there is an approximately 20% chance of this due to the muscles in the urethra weaking and it is said there are a couple options to help. There is an Estrogen based suplement and a non estrogen known as PPA that are both supposedly FDA approved but I wanted to see if anyone else here had experience with SUI and treatment.
My girl is only 2 yrs old and we love her to death so we are going to do absolutely everything we can to help her. Just looking for ideas on what experience others have had. |
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While this does occur, I have much lower percentage issues than 20%. Personally the ppa seems to work great. While this seems like an incontinence issue, I always recommend having a urinalysis done prior to scripting out ppa (just in case) Going to set up a vet appointment tomorrow morning to have her checked. |
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One of my dogs had this issue.
Several years later she began displaying other symptoms of Cushings Disease, and I had her tested for it which came back positive. Treating her with Vetoryl has addressed the Cushings. The incontinence disappeared with the other symptoms of Cushings. So what I am saying is have her tested for Cushings even though she us younger than you would normally see it. |
| In the meantime, these guys have some decent britches for incontinence. I have found them to be some of the best, most durable bitch britches to date, and my Doberman doesn't object to them like she does other ones. |
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My Akita started in with the spay incontinence when she was 6. The typical sequence of events was play/exercise/training followed by a large intake of water and then a nap. Then she would just leak a big puddle in her sleep. She wouldn't even wake up.
Before turning to med's we decided to try to manage this by doubling up on her elimination opportunities. Normally it the play/exercise/training included multiple opportunities to eliminate, but not after coming back inside. We changed this to be play/elimination/training followed by indoors followed by another elimination opportunity within 30 minutes of coming inside. And if we saw her settling in otherwise we'd take or send her out then. We never had to pick up her water at night but considered it. This pattern effectively controlled the problem without med's. |
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In the meantime, these guys have some decent britches for incontinence. I have found them to be some of the best, most durable bitch britches to date, and my Doberman doesn't object to them like she does other ones. I do the Hanes or Fruit of the Looms thing with my girls. With the hole cut for the tail just below the elastic waistband they stay on great, last a long time and are VERY inexpensive. There is no way I would take any Doberman of mine out in public wearing the stuff like found on that site you linked to. Other dogs would likely laugh so hard that they would pee themselves if they saw that! LOL! 
(ETA: Mine wear underwear and pads during heat cycles only - I have NO issues with spay incontinence) |
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One of my dogs had this issue. Several years later she began displaying other symptoms of Cushings Disease, and I had her tested for it which came back positive. Treating her with Vetoryl has addressed the Cushings. The incontinence disappeared with the other symptoms of Cushings. So what I am saying is have her tested for Cushings even though she us younger than you would normally see it. I would not recommend spending hundreds of dollars for an acth stimulus test to rule ou cushings. Your vet will know what to do and proin (ppa) works pretty well. |
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Get her on Proin. Our GSP takes one pill twice a day and it is completely eliminated her incontinence. My 14 year old dachshund developed this late in her life. She'd wet her own bed every single night. This is what the vet used and it worked. She lived another 2 years before developing renal failure and having a stroke. |
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I would not recommend spending hundreds of dollars for an acth stimulus test to rule ou cushings. Your vet will know what to do and proin (ppa) works pretty well. Quoted:
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One of my dogs had this issue. Several years later she began displaying other symptoms of Cushings Disease, and I had her tested for it which came back positive. Treating her with Vetoryl has addressed the Cushings. The incontinence disappeared with the other symptoms of Cushings. So what I am saying is have her tested for Cushings even though she us younger than you would normally see it. I would not recommend spending hundreds of dollars for an acth stimulus test to rule ou cushings. Your vet will know what to do and proin (ppa) works pretty well. I have looked up cushings and will not put her through testing for it unless she shows other signs and symptoms. She is a very slim, active, and athletic pup that has no additional symptoms other than wetting the bed when she sleeps. |
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I have looked up cushings and will not put her through testing for it unless she shows other signs and symptoms. She is a very slim, active, and athletic pup that has no additional symptoms other than wetting the bed when she sleeps. Quoted:
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One of my dogs had this issue. Several years later she began displaying other symptoms of Cushings Disease, and I had her tested for it which came back positive. Treating her with Vetoryl has addressed the Cushings. The incontinence disappeared with the other symptoms of Cushings. So what I am saying is have her tested for Cushings even though she us younger than you would normally see it. I would not recommend spending hundreds of dollars for an acth stimulus test to rule ou cushings. Your vet will know what to do and proin (ppa) works pretty well. I have looked up cushings and will not put her through testing for it unless she shows other signs and symptoms. She is a very slim, active, and athletic pup that has no additional symptoms other than wetting the bed when she sleeps. While I may not agree with Cschelk2 on 'all' topics - I do very much believe he is one of the 'better' Vets that are out there and that he has a true and genuine interest / passion for helping both the pet AND the owner at all times in the best way that he can. Cschelk2 does not offer advice on this forum to make money - He does it because he cares about the animals and also wishes to help out the owners with his advice / time. +1 in my opinion and much thanks for the time he spends here... 
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While I may not agree with Cschelk2 on 'all' topics - I do very much believe he is one of the 'better' Vets that are out there and that he has a true and genuine interest / passion for helping both the pet AND the owner at all times in the best way that he can. Cschelk2 does not offer advice on this forum to make money - He does it because he cares about the animals and also wishes to help out the owners with his advice / time. +1 in my opinion and much thanks for the time he spends here... Quoted:
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One of my dogs had this issue. Several years later she began displaying other symptoms of Cushings Disease, and I had her tested for it which came back positive. Treating her with Vetoryl has addressed the Cushings. The incontinence disappeared with the other symptoms of Cushings. So what I am saying is have her tested for Cushings even though she us younger than you would normally see it. I would not recommend spending hundreds of dollars for an acth stimulus test to rule ou cushings. Your vet will know what to do and proin (ppa) works pretty well. I have looked up cushings and will not put her through testing for it unless she shows other signs and symptoms. She is a very slim, active, and athletic pup that has no additional symptoms other than wetting the bed when she sleeps. While I may not agree with Cschelk2 on 'all' topics - I do very much believe he is one of the 'better' Vets that are out there and that he has a true and genuine interest / passion for helping both the pet AND the owner at all times in the best way that he can. Cschelk2 does not offer advice on this forum to make money - He does it because he cares about the animals and also wishes to help out the owners with his advice / time. +1 in my opinion and much thanks for the time he spends here... Your kind words are truly appreciated. I can't always chime in with beneficial advice or an answer to a proposed question but I try to to offer a professional opinion. |
I also greatly appreciate your input. I took her to the vet yesterday for a check up and the stubborn little cuss refused to pee the entire time there so they didnt complete a urinalysis however they found no additional indicators of a UTI or other medical issues and beleive it is most likely SUI. They have given us a weeks worth of Proin to see how she does. Im not going to start her on it immediately as my wife and I cant be home to monitor for reaction however she hasnt had an accident in the last couple days either.
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I also greatly appreciate your input. I took her to the vet yesterday for a check up and the stubborn little cuss refused to pee the entire time there so they didnt complete a urinalysis however they found no additional indicators of a UTI or other medical issues and beleive it is most likely SUI. They have given us a weeks worth of Proin to see how she does. Im not going to start her on it immediately as my wife and I cant be home to monitor for reaction however she hasnt had an accident in the last couple days either. <a href="http://s295.photobucket.com/user/brifol6111/media/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm154/brifol6111/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg</a> Have you tried simply giving her additional opportunities to empty her bladder before she lays down after eating/drinking/playing? |
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I also greatly appreciate your input. I took her to the vet yesterday for a check up and the stubborn little cuss refused to pee the entire time there so they didnt complete a urinalysis however they found no additional indicators of a UTI or other medical issues and beleive it is most likely SUI. They have given us a weeks worth of Proin to see how she does. Im not going to start her on it immediately as my wife and I cant be home to monitor for reaction however she hasnt had an accident in the last couple days either. <a href="http://s295.photobucket.com/user/brifol6111/media/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm154/brifol6111/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg</a> Have you tried simply giving her additional opportunities to empty her bladder before she lays down after eating/drinking/playing? We always try to. We are very open on letting our dogs be active so we keep food and water readily available and leave the back door open so they have access to go outside and exercise and use the bathroom as needed. I think what exaserbated the issue this week is the extreme heat and she just ran herself out, came in, got some water and layed down to sleep. Each time she had an accident she had been out for 1-3hrs and had come in and done the same. |
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We always try to. We are very open on letting our dogs be active so we keep food and water readily available and leave the back door open so they have access to go outside and exercise and use the bathroom as needed. I think what exaserbated the issue this week is the extreme heat and she just ran herself out, came in, got some water and layed down to sleep. Each time she had an accident she had been out for 1-3hrs and had come in and done the same. Quoted:
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I also greatly appreciate your input. I took her to the vet yesterday for a check up and the stubborn little cuss refused to pee the entire time there so they didnt complete a urinalysis however they found no additional indicators of a UTI or other medical issues and beleive it is most likely SUI. They have given us a weeks worth of Proin to see how she does. Im not going to start her on it immediately as my wife and I cant be home to monitor for reaction however she hasnt had an accident in the last couple days either. <a href="http://s295.photobucket.com/user/brifol6111/media/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm154/brifol6111/Pups/7614EC8C-85D5-492F-B85D-35CF2719083D.jpg</a> Have you tried simply giving her additional opportunities to empty her bladder before she lays down after eating/drinking/playing? We always try to. We are very open on letting our dogs be active so we keep food and water readily available and leave the back door open so they have access to go outside and exercise and use the bathroom as needed. I think what exaserbated the issue this week is the extreme heat and she just ran herself out, came in, got some water and layed down to sleep. Each time she had an accident she had been out for 1-3hrs and had come in and done the same. Yes, exactly like our dog. So the way we solved it for her was to take her out after eating or drinking or if we saw her settling in for a nap. She never had an accident while awake, it was always while sleeping. And because the way the disease works she's not going to feel any special urgency thus she wouldn't think to go out and relieve herself before settling in. It was relatively easy for us, though, because someone is almost always home and she was trained to pee on command. |
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Quoted: Going to set up a vet appointment tomorrow morning to have her checked. Quoted: Quoted: While this does occur, I have much lower percentage issues than 20%. Personally the ppa seems to work great. While this seems like an incontinence issue, I always recommend having a urinalysis done prior to scripting out ppa (just in case) Going to set up a vet appointment tomorrow morning to have her checked. Also crate train her. That helps contain the area so she doesn't start marking the house. (yes she will) We have a male mutt that has "excited" puddling. Again we just make sure he has ample time to empty his bladder and contain his area at night. He still may become an outside doggy . I am very allergic to him.  |