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10/19/2006 2:37:31 PM EDT
I think I will quit saving up money now and buy one.  

If I can find one, are they an ellusive firearm for the general public?

Any range reports, the good, bad or teh ugly would be appreciated.  

Thanks

10/19/2006 2:44:14 PM EDT
[#1]
i have had 4 guys show up with them at our shoots. All of them had somekind of problem out of the box.

i'd pass.
10/19/2006 2:59:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Run away


Get a DSA para, thank me later.
10/19/2006 3:17:06 PM EDT
[#3]
Check out the back issue of American Rifleman where they reviewed it.

The advertisement editorial ranted and raved about how great it was. Unfortunately the groups shot for accuracy did not agree with the editorial review. IIRC most of the 30cal battle rifles shoot better.
10/19/2006 3:35:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Close to a thousand rounds sent through mine with no issues.

Accuracy: with an EoTech, and SA milsurp - rapid fire on bowling pins at 50 yards is too easy.

Yes, the Vltor rail system makes the rifle front end heavy, but removing the bottom rails somewhat improves balance.

SAI proprietary muzzle break reduces muzzle "flip" and allows for quick follow up shots, and felt recoil seems less than my M1A's with 22" barrels and flash suppressor.

All in all - I'm satisfied with the SOCOM II.

.02 -
10/19/2006 3:37:08 PM EDT
[#5]
Try the Scout. I hear good things.
10/19/2006 3:37:18 PM EDT
[#6]
Run
10/19/2006 3:39:51 PM EDT
[#7]
See if you can find one of these:


www.lrbarms.com/m14sa.html
10/19/2006 7:00:13 PM EDT
[#8]
whoa - I'm going to pass.  shit thats good info but I got a bad feeling all of a sudden.

Thank you gentleman.  I literally NEED a 762 rifle but can not decide.  

DSA Para, that might be the way to go.  How about that the PTR91 Paratrooper?
10/19/2006 11:42:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Over the years I've had a Springfield M1A Scout and a semi-auto (Armscorp) M-14. they were both very nice and fun to shoot.

However....

I always wind up going back to an FAL of some sort. Get a DSA or have someone build you an all Imbel FAL.

M1A's are good rifles but I enjoy the FAL design much better. FAL's are easier to maintain, the parts are easy to get and not as expensive as M1A/M14 parts.

You can buy good GI magazines for the FAL for as little as $5 to $10. M14 mags are $20 or more.

I think the FAL has much better human engineering than the M1A type rifles.

Folks will tell you that the FAL has a terrible trigger and the sights are not so great. That's somewhat true but there are easy fixes for those issues.

I installed the Falcon Arms Trigger Pull Reduction Kit springs in my FAL trigger group and the trigger is now really nice with about a 5-6lb pull and very smooth.

As for the issue FAL sights, get a good quality scope mount like a DSA or ARMS and mount an Aimpoint or a nice low powered scope like a Nikon or Leupold.

Cheers,

Flyer

10/19/2006 11:46:44 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Check out the back issue of American Rifleman where they reviewed it.

The advertisement editorial ranted and raved about how great it was. Unfortunately the groups shot for accuracy did not agree with the editorial review. IIRC most of the 30cal battle rifles shoot better.


If I remember correctly what I read from the same article, the SOCOM seems to lose about 500 fps muzzle velocity from a full length .308 rifle.  Since thats down in 7.62 X 39 territory, I can't see the advantage of one.
10/20/2006 12:14:17 AM EDT
[#11]
All I have heard are bad things. I have only seen 1 that has worked perfect out of maybe 10 or so.
10/20/2006 5:39:48 AM EDT
[#12]
Thank you Gentleman - putting that idea to rest.  Now I'm off to research the FAL.

"All Imbel FAL" I'm going to start there.

SC
10/20/2006 5:45:36 AM EDT
[#13]
Not to beat a dead horse, but my Springfield Armory rifle was a problem child from the get-go.  A rear sight that changed settings under recoil, and a finicky bolt catch, amongst other annoying qualities.

Haven't had any issues whatsoever with any of the Imbel receiver FAL parts guns that I've owned.
10/20/2006 5:46:23 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Thank you Gentleman - putting that idea to rest.  Now I'm off to research the FAL.

"All Imbel FAL" I'm going to start there.

SC


if you are dead set on an M1A-type gun, try the scout. a lot of people seem to love them, and the few i've shot performed very well.

that said, i have a DSA SA58C that i really love. sweet shooting gun, reliable, i can hit 5-gallon buckets at 300yds with irons (which is saying a lot since i'm not the most precise shot in the world), parts are plentiful and cheap, and with a 16" barrel it is still pretty compact. it IS a bit heavy, but in .308 territory, they all are.


10/20/2006 5:51:08 AM EDT
[#15]
Construction: Many have had problems with Springfield, but I haven't.

Ergonomics: Everyone thinks a pistol grip is teh shiznit but guess what? The M14 pattern rifles fit me like they were made for me... Shoulder one and see if it's for you. Just like the Glock or 1911 type pistols, heft one and you'll know either way pretty quick.

Which to buy? I'd suggest a Springfield Scout.
10/20/2006 5:54:25 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Run away

Get a DSA para, thank me later.

What he said.
10/20/2006 6:04:38 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Run away


Get a DSA para, thank me later.


Roget that.
10/20/2006 6:22:48 AM EDT
[#18]
Get a Scout M14