[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Springfield TRP 1911 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/12/2010 7:19:26 AM EDT
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made in brazil So? The only gripe I have about SA 1911's is the ambi safety sux for a highride grip. It tears up your hand because the edges are so damned sharp abd the profile places my thumb up so high that the grip safety isnt always fully depressed for me, and I have large hands. Im having my Loaded refitted with a WC or Ed Brown unit with a better profile. Otherwise SA 1911's are a fine weapon. |
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I have one. A stainless one without a rail. Looks like Kuraki's, except that I use 47D's in mine. I bought a Kimber .22LR conversion kit for it and had to file down the magazine so it would work with the magwell. Do the 47Ds work well for you? I've only tried 1 and it wouldn't lock the slide back. Could have been an old one, but I've had good luck with the McCormick magazines. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Do you need to dump an extra 3K into the gun to make it work OK. Or is it GTG right out of the box. TRP is GTG out of the box. Mine has no trouble with any ammunition I've tried and I carry Winchester Silvertips because it shoots them so well. Thanks |
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I have one. A stainless one without a rail. Looks like Kuraki's, except that I use 47D's in mine. I bought a Kimber .22LR conversion kit for it and had to file down the magazine so it would work with the magwell. Do the 47Ds work well for you? I've only tried 1 and it wouldn't lock the slide back. Could have been an old one, but I've had good luck with the McCormick magazines. I run 47D mags in my Loaded and have had the same issue. I found that the slide stop I have(WC unit) has a detent and the mag springs were not strong enough to engage it. So I replaced the stock springs with Wolff springs and took a fine jewelers file and lessened the detent on the face of the slide stop, all works just fine.. |
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I have one. A stainless one without a rail. Looks like Kuraki's, except that I use 47D's in mine. I bought a Kimber .22LR conversion kit for it and had to file down the magazine so it would work with the magwell. Do the 47Ds work well for you? I've only tried 1 and it wouldn't lock the slide back. Could have been an old one, but I've had good luck with the McCormick magazines. I don't have a TRP, but do have a Baer, a Kimber Custom Shop Eclipse, and a Miller Custom Colt Commander. CMC have been much more reliable for me. I use 47Ds as my training mags for hardball. They don't work well with SWC in any of my 1911s. Hijack over. The TRP has always been on my short list of "do want" 1911s. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Heres a question for you guys! Lets say you have a machine here in the US and a block of steel. You train a guy to make a product out of the block of steel. So you move the machine to another country, just for kicks lets say Brazil. You get another block of steel and give another guy the same product out of block of steel training that the first guy got. How/why is the second product somehow inferior to the first? |
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Heres a question for you guys! Lets say you have a machine here in the US and a block of steel. You train a guy to make a product out of the block of steel. So you move the machine to another country, just for kicks lets say Brazil. You get another block of steel and give another guy the same product out of block of steel training that the first guy got. How/why is the second product somehow inferior to the first? Id rather just pay for american labor. |
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Heres a question for you guys! Lets say you have a machine here in the US and a block of steel. You train a guy to make a product out of the block of steel. So you move the machine to another country, just for kicks lets say Brazil. You get another block of steel and give another guy the same product out of block of steel training that the first guy got. How/why is the second product somehow inferior to the first? This is the best definition for the TRP frame I've seen "those with an "NM" serial number prefix are finish machined and assembled from components shipped from Brazil, but have enough U.S. value-added to escape the made-in-Brazil stamps". With that said, go grab a TRP you'll love it! 
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Quoted: Quoted: made in brazil The standard 1911's are parts from Brazil. The TRP Operators are all US made. Even that statement isn't 100%. I have a GI with an NM serial, marked Geneseo, IL. m ETA: As is stated above, I'm aware that all of the frames are forged by Imbel in Brazil. My understanding is that the degree of machining and finish work is what determines the origination of the part for serial numbering. FWIW, I haven't personally seen any other GIs with an NM serial... |
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Bought one from a fellow ARFCOMer and finally took it out Friday. Shot about 70+ rounds of Winchester white box fmj through it with not so much as a hiccup. Love how it shoots. I'm more accurate with it than I am with either my Glocks or my SIG 229. As soon as my new IWB holster arrives it will be my CCW in the winter time. Here is a picture of it beside my Sistema:  |
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Yep, Springfield's are some of the best 1911's out there, never seen one with any problems personally. My Springfield WWII Mil-Spec has been flawless  Quoted: I've NEVER heard an ill word spoken about them. As far as 1911s ago, they're about the safest 1911 purchase you can have. |
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Heres a question for you guys! Lets say you have a machine here in the US and a block of steel. You train a guy to make a product out of the block of steel. So you move the machine to another country, just for kicks lets say Brazil. You get another block of steel and give another guy the same product out of block of steel training that the first guy got. How/why is the second product somehow inferior to the first? Short answer? Culture differences. Companies try exactly what you've described. Start here, design their process, flush it out with American labor, American experience and American ingenuity then box it up, ship it to country "X" unpack it and say "Here you go Xi Ling Hernandez, just do it the same way they did it!" Your chances of success are directly related to how simple your product is. Casting is a good example. Few things are used as cast, and require final machining. There's a reason the TRP is machined stateside. You can design the casting process to allow for error and still have material to machine off and make it right as a finished product. The more complex the process this is, the harder it becomes. Does country "X" have a technical trades program? What kind of support is in the area for maintenance and trouble shooting? How is management trained to make sure the process is followed and shortcuts aren't taken by laborers because "they usually work better?" Many ventures like you speak of fail, and come back stateside. Hell, many that try to move from the North US to the South US for cheaper labor, taxes, etc, fail and come back North. It's not always as simple as you describe. In the case of 1911 frames, it obviously is. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Heres a question for you guys! Lets say you have a machine here in the US and a block of steel. You train a guy to make a product out of the block of steel. So you move the machine to another country, just for kicks lets say Brazil. You get another block of steel and give another guy the same product out of block of steel training that the first guy got. How/why is the second product somehow inferior to the first? Short answer? Culture differences. Companies try exactly what you've described. Start here, design their process, flush it out with American labor, American experience and American ingenuity then box it up, ship it to country "X" unpack it and say "Here you go Xi Ling Hernandez, just do it the same way they did it!" Your chances of success are directly related to how simple your product is. Casting is a good example. Few things are used as cast, and require final machining. There's a reason the TRP is machined stateside. You can design the casting process to allow for error and still have material to machine off and make it right as a finished product. The more complex the process this is, the harder it becomes. Does country "X" have a technical trades program? What kind of support is in the area for maintenance and trouble shooting? How is management trained to make sure the process is followed and shortcuts aren't taken by laborers because "they usually work better?" Many ventures like you speak of fail, and come back stateside. Hell, many that try to move from the North US to the South US for cheaper labor, taxes, etc, fail and come back North. It's not always as simple as you describe. In the case of 1911 frames, it obviously is. Ok, I gotta ask. Do you have any examples of the above? Can you provide any specific citations to support what you wrote? That's a helluva blanket statement. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have one. A stainless one without a rail. Looks like Kuraki's, except that I use 47D's in mine. I bought a Kimber .22LR conversion kit for it and had to file down the magazine so it would work with the magwell. Do the 47Ds work well for you? I've only tried 1 and it wouldn't lock the slide back. Could have been an old one, but I've had good luck with the McCormick magazines. I run 47D mags in my Loaded and have had the same issue. I found that the slide stop I have(WC unit) has a detent and the mag springs were not strong enough to engage it. So I replaced the stock springs with Wolff springs and took a fine jewelers file and lessened the detent on the face of the slide stop, all works just fine.. I have had no issues with the 47Ds. My experience with the CMC mags is limited to their cheap mags. I had a Kimber TLE that would run fine on the WC mags, but would choke at least once a mag with the stock mag and the cheap CMC mags (Shooting Star, IIRC). I haven't used any of the CMC Power Mags or the Novak/ACT mags. I hear good things about them, but I've been shooting far too little lately to justify buying more mags for a platform that I haven't shot much recently. |
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made in brazil The standard 1911's are parts from Brazil. The TRP Operators are all US made. arent they cast/forged, whatever in brazil and then fitting, assembly in the US? Yes. They are hand-fitted/tuned in the US. The matched pairing number is etched on to the frame, barrel, slide, etc. |
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Quoted: I like the new grips. They look really aggressive. I love mine.......I shoot it ALOT, as you can see. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs622.snc4/58232_158496430827065_100000001287588_567073_1142562_n.jpg I just put ZV Aliens on it yesterday. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs835.snc4/69564_183194945023880_100000001287588_733170_3417075_n.jpg |