I’m a substation electrician. So yeah it was just in case something broke down or whatnot.

It was a social distancing thing. We weren’t supposed to work around other guys blah blah blah. Well that lasted a month until they realized a whole bunch of work that needed done wasn’t getting done.

Makes sense, but also dumb. We did that in some areas and realized even if an entire crew got sick, giving them 3 weeks off was still faster then trying to play one person at a time.

That's the thing.

Even a base Tacoma SR 4x4 is $36-40k.

That Tacoma will run 200-300k miles, then a $5-6k engine swap and get another 200plus thousand miles.

For around $60k you can drive that vehicle half a million miles.

Still not an apple to apple comparison….plus a lot of people have no desire to drive a vehicle 200-500k miles.

lol

That location

I have an idea.
@WhiskersTheCat

So. We have drones to do precision strikes.
All we need is more modern warfare gurus to sign up for the army mechanized forces.

We convert all existing armor to be powered by nukes.
We call them the honey badger.
Drone operated. Honey Badger doesn't give a shit, go ahead, send a depleted uranium round at its hull. It doesn't give a shit.
You just salted your back yard for 10,000 years
HAHA FUCKERS

What's that? You found a weak spot and it happened to be by the coolant tank, that a Soviet rpg can destroy. Honey Badger doesn't give a shit. Melt down and salt the back yard for 10,000 years.
HAHA FUCKERS

Drone operated nuke powered tanks.

C130 parachutes them out? Parachute doesn't deploy? Honey Badger doesn't give a shit. Between that and the shaped charge IEDs?
Nagasaki 2.0 from high enriched rods making high speed contact.

Combustion engines excite mankind on a primal and practical level.

Primal because haha loud but practical because these memes of make your own gas go back to the 1800s where people legit did.

Rockefeller was a monopoly because he bought up his competition not because making oil products was magic.

Most EV sedans get about .3 KWH per mile.  That's about $0.03 per mile to drive.

The AAA says unleaded is $3.70/gallon nationwide average.  A Honda Civic gets 36 MPG combined.  A honda civic thus costs $0.10 per mile in gas costs alone to drive.  Plus oil, routine MX (belts, fluids, etc) -- most of which doesn't exist on an EV.  AAA estimates the repair cost works out to $0.0968/mile for a typical car -- the EV needs just about nothing other than tires and wiper blades and is certainly much lower.  Best case the Honda is only a little more than 3x the price to drive for fuel costs alone.  In reality the Honda is probably about 5x the price per mile to drive once including MX.

The Hummer EV goes 1.6 miles per KWH which works out to $0.075 per mile to drive.  An H3 gets about 16 MPG, which works out to $.23/mile to drive in gas costs alone.  Again, the gas car is 3x the price per mile to drive for fuel alone.

Put another way, its cheaper per mile to drive a Hummer EV to work than it is to drive a Honda civic or other shitbox.



AAA did the math as well and they determined that even including the cost of purchase, the only thing cheaper per mile than an EV is a tiny sedan (probably a Honda Fit type car).
https://newsroom.aaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2022-YourDrivingCosts-FactSheet-7-1.pdf

EVs also seem to take a huge depreciation hit on the used market.  For example even at today's insanely inflated prices, a used 2018 Leaf with <30K miles seems to run about $21K .  On the civic market $21K will get you a 2016-2018 honda with 65-100K miles on it.  I suspect it is original buyers factoring in the value of the tax rebate.

I don't give a shit about saving the planet through my driving habits.  I also don't care about the plight of poors that live in an apartment and don't have a charging plug available, nor do I care about the impact of my air fryer, clothes dryer, EV or any other cool appliance on the electric grid.   I am cheap, I have a predictable commute, and the EV is so inexpensive it justifies itself as an extra car dedicated to commuting and errands around town.  If you have a predictable commute, you're well off enough to have a garage or carport with an electric outlet, and you like saving money so you can buy more ammo or other fun toys, then you too could save money with an EV.

You can dislike EVs but claiming that they are expensive to operate is just not accurate.

Do this figures include the vehicle purchase price as well?

You aren't providing methodology for the numbers. Look at what happens when you  put a 2500lb trailer load on the back of a Ford Lightning. The range drops dramatically, much more than an ICE truck with the same load.

#6 - We just don't have enough minerals and other resources required to make enough batteries either.

#7 - Getting at those resources is already causing measurable and consequential harm to the ecologies local to them, and that will only get worse.

CA is moving forward with this and is in full support of mining it, along with building pipelines to move it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2022/08/31/californias-lithium-rush-electric-vehicles-salton-sea/?sh=254fdf5b4f63

They'll destroy the local water table and they will have to bring in ludicrous amounts of nasty chemicals to process it.

.... and there really isn't enough:

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It’s fake

They have plenty for the elites. Suck it proles!

Ok wait, your argument is there isn't enough, then you cite current production capacity, to discredit new mining capacity coming online?

Both

Ford ended its recall?

Will EVs last ten years like they should?

I think his point was that we need an astronomical increase in mining capacity to fully convert to EVs. That one feel good project in California will be a drop in the bucket. He's right. There is not enough new production of the elements needed to electrify all transportation. Anyone can look at the current raw production data, and if they have even an inkling as to how difficult it is to start new mining projects(physical and/or regulatory burden), then they'd know EVs will remain a luxury good or very limited in functionality.

EV,s, the future is here.

Yes.  Yes it will.
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Would you travel past your normal commute in your EV if you arent traveling back to your home?

Kind of hard to justify an EV especially from my POV when there is zero infrastructure when you start traveling out of the metro area

My time from moving to NM to WI would have increased significantly if everything was an EV instead of 3 days it would have likely been 6 days just on charging time

My argument is that they are gay.

Checkmate bigot

He was talking about commuter cars and you jumped straight to pulling a trailer....

Yes towing with an EV truck is not a great plan but that has absolutely nothing to do with what he was discussing.

#3 and #4 are irrelevant. #5? That's the whole point of moving to EVs. Do you not see that?

If that's his point, then he doesn't get what's going on. "Fully converting to EVs" isn't the goal.
Making EVs "necessary," then "discovering" that everyone having an EV isn't viable, then limiting who gets to own cars, and how far they get to travel, is the goal.

I travel past my normal commute in my EV all the time with zero issues.

In bold, you literally have no idea what you're talking about.  Look up a map of the current Tesla charging network, I live in the middle of nowhere central IL and have multiple Superchargers within 30 miles of my house. (This isn't counting all the other chargers available, outside of the Tesla network)

As far as charging time goes, again you don't know what your talking about.....it would not double your trip time....it might not even affect it at all if you timed your stops right.  It takes a Supercharger 15-20 minutes to charge my Model 3 from 20% to 80% battery.....which gives me another 290 miles.  I normally time my stops around lunch / supper if possible and by the time we finish eating, the car is charged and ready to go.

Meh. Wife and I just got back from a road trip. There is no universe in which charging an EV while road tripping long distances is easier or more convenient than gassing up an ICE vehicle.

You're spot on.

I didn't say it was easier or more convenient....I said the other poster who claimed there was zero infrastructure and would literally double the time of the trip has no idea what he's talking about....which is accurate.

I've only had my Tesla for a few months and longer trips were a legit concern, even though I bought it knowing that 99% of the miles would be on my daily commute.  Longer trips are not easier or harder than ICE, they're just different.  I thought a longer trip would be harder in an EV, but after the first trip, it's not....again it's just different.  Instead of making dedicated stops for gas, you make timed stops for charging and grab some food or a coffee and stretch your legs.  If you're the type of person that likes to drive 500 miles without stopping, an EV isn't for you....personally when we travel for leisure we're not trying to make the fastest time from point A to point B.

Damn...Stossel is looking fit these days and that beard looks fantastic on him!

Let's be honest, the elites aren't being coy about what they've got in mind.

So you like thicc womenz and fit men.....you are quite the riddle.

Fuck that.

Great watch, thank you.

It's a Ford, so it just goes from one to the other.

That is a drop in the bucket? What would qualify as adequate size to you?

Like literally every leftist or Green movement it is utter bullshit.
Climate Change, EVs, Peak Oil, windmills and solar, banning fertilizers, cow farts, it is all utter claptrap.
People that believe in nothing will fall for anything.

Deep sea mining & dredging will probably have to become a thing. Not exactly environmentally friendly either.

All this!!!

Tell everyone you didn't read without saying you didn't read.

I'd love to know how you could spin "this is the amount of raw minerals we require to do it, and there literally isn't that much available" into "we don't have enough *mining capacity* right now so we can't do it."

... but it's to save the environment! (as they dredge up coral reefs and kill off untold amounts of sea life).

So you just don't understand what you are posting. Let me give you a hint, this is from the core source you have been using, which they did update it in 2022:

"World Resources:
Owing to continuing exploration, identified lithium resources have increased substantially
worldwide and total about 89 million tons. Identified lithium resources in the United States—from continental brines,
geothermal brines, hectorite, oilfield brines, pegmatites, and searlesite—are 9.1 million tons. Identified lithium
resources in other countries have been revised to 80 million tons. Identified lithium resources are distributed as
follows: Bolivia, 21 million tons; Argentina, 19 million tons; Chile, 9.8 million tons; Australia, 7.3 million tons; China,
5.1 million tons; Congo (Kinshasa), 3 million tons; Canada, 2.9 million tons; Germany, 2.7 million tons; Mexico,
1.7 million tons; Czechia, 1.3 million tons; Serbia, 1.2 million tons; Russia, 1 million tons; Peru, 880,000 tons; Mali,
700,000 tons; Zimbabwe, 500,000 tons; Brazil, 470,000 tons; Spain, 300,000 tons; Portugal, 270,000 tons; Ghana,
130,000 tons; Austria, 60,000 tons; and Finland, Kazakhstan, and Namibia, 50,000 tons each."

Now that one mine I posted is estimated at 32 million tons, which of course would adjust the currently just revised up number for the US from 9.1 million tons. But maybe you think the oil was going to run out in the 1970 's too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FggkiueaYAAr7xE?format=jpg&name=small

Ok, so, do you expect us to believe you utterly missed this? Or that you don't know what "known reserves" or "needed" means?

No, wait, I'll save you: just say your adblocker blocks images from twitter.

I didn't miss that, and I clearly posted data to that specific image that shows it is no longer correct. Big hint, my data is from 2022 and has larger reserves for lithium then your out dated data. But here, have yet another clue as at to what you are missing.



Now think about that, what did I originally post, new mine + new technology. Now what does that do to the reserves you posted about based on older data? But more importantly pay attention to "Reserves data are dynamic" and "Reserves will be developed to the point of
business needs."

Lightning and Hummer are the worst use and argument for an EV. WV can be great cars. Beyond that I’m not convinced, and I’ve had two teslas.
If you guys want to compare at least make it reasonable, a mid size luxury car to an equivalent EV. Comparing a hummer to a civic is kinda absurd.