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6/20/2009 9:18:21 PM EDT
I am pretty skeptical about the "extraterrestrial intelligence" theory regarding UFO sightings.

In fact, I am extremely skeptical about it.

I do not rule out the possibility of other intelligent life forms in the universe, but I consider it unlikely in the extreme that any of them are visiting here on a regular basis.

I feel that the signal to noise ratio in UFO reports (i.e., genuine, hardcore phenomena versus misidentification of natural objects and other ordinary explanations) is probably 1:1000 or lower.

However...

There ARE a few well documented cases in the archives that really do seem to defy any conventional explanation.

Case in point - the RB-47 incident of July, 1957.

This case involved several highly reputable eyewitnesses with extensive experience observing the sky (the pilots and crew of the RB-47), confirmed detection by ground based radars, and confirmed detection by airborne passive electronic receiver and signal analysis gear.

All the equipment involved was checked and rechecked to ensure it was functioning properly, which it was.

As for the people involved, all were professonal military aviators with everything to lose and nothing to gain by perpetrating a hoax (which, for the officers, would have been career-ending).

This was one of the only cases examined by the Condon Committee and Project Blue Book that could not be explained.

July 1957 - The RB-47 Incident

ETA: See my subsequent post for another link if the above is not working.
6/20/2009 9:30:31 PM EDT
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6/20/2009 9:36:29 PM EDT
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They covered a lot of ground in just under an hour didn't they? From Gulfport Mississippi to Oklahoma City in just about an hour.

The route they took from Gulfport to Dallas was about 575 miles.

To Oklahoma City from Gulport along their route was about 780 miles. Now how did an airplane flying 500 miles an hour cover 780 miles, including a detour to pursue an unknown aircraft, in about an hour?
6/20/2009 9:45:09 PM EDT
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They covered a lot of ground in just under an hour didn't they? From Gulfport Mississippi to Oklahoma City in just about an hour.

The route they took from Gulfport to Dallas was about 575 miles.

To Oklahoma City from Gulport along their route was about 780 miles. Now how did an airplane flying 500 miles an hour cover 780 miles, including a detour to pursue an unknown aircraft, in about an hour?


Airspeed is measured in knots (nautical miles per hour) - not statute miles per hour.

500 knots calibrated airspeed (KCAS) works out to about 575 statute miles per hour.

But then you have to factor the true versus indicated airspeed computations into that as well.
6/20/2009 9:45:28 PM EDT
[#4]
That picture in washington was the reflection of street lights off the camera lens Ive seen the footage.
6/20/2009 9:52:24 PM EDT
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That picture in washington was the reflection of street lights off the camera lens Ive seen the footage.


So how does that explain all the call ins?
6/20/2009 9:54:29 PM EDT
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They covered a lot of ground in just under an hour didn't they? From Gulfport Mississippi to Oklahoma City in just about an hour.

The route they took from Gulfport to Dallas was about 575 miles.

To Oklahoma City from Gulport along their route was about 780 miles. Now how did an airplane flying 500 miles an hour cover 780 miles, including a detour to pursue an unknown aircraft, in about an hour?


They don't follow the roads, they are airplanes.  Lastly the 47 was quite a fast jet for the time period.
6/20/2009 9:56:10 PM EDT
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Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.
6/21/2009 7:18:06 AM EDT
[#8]
Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.


Your from the Government aren't you  
6/21/2009 7:24:00 AM EDT
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http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo68.jpg

Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.




Nevermind that birds typically do not fly at night.
6/21/2009 7:26:45 AM EDT
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http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo68.jpg

Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.




Nevermind that birds typically do not fly at night.


It was giant bats.

Flying in formation.

6/21/2009 7:29:02 AM EDT
[#11]

It's only swamp gas, Earthlings.







BTW: That linky no worky for me......
6/21/2009 7:29:17 AM EDT
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http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo68.jpg



Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.

Nevermind that birds typically do not fly at night.


WRONG !!  According to the .gov many birds fly at night, inverted (so the moonlight can reflect off their bellies) and at 60,000+ feet.  Yeah, they do switch to oxygen masks above 12,000 feet as per bird flight regs.



High altitude inverted bird flight and desert generated swamp gas account for many UFO sightings.
5sub

6/21/2009 7:43:23 AM EDT
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Geese often fly after dark while migrating.
6/21/2009 7:43:48 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:

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http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo68.jpg

Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.




Nevermind that birds typically do not fly at night.

WRONG !!  According to the .gov many birds fly at night, inverted (so the moonlight can reflect off their bellies) and at 60,000+ feet.  Yeah, they do switch to oxygen masks above 12,000 feet as per bird flight regs.

High altitude inverted bird flight and desert generated swamp gas account for many UFO sightings.



5sub


In the fall in ND when the Snow Geese are migrating down I've seen them in the clouds during the night time glow of lights flying by the thousands-

And during that time of year it gets dark at 7 or 8- and these geese would be often seen at 10:00 or later.

6/21/2009 8:33:28 AM EDT
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I think "they" shut down the link.
6/21/2009 8:48:04 AM EDT
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Geese often fly after dark while migrating.


Yes they do.  I hit one in an airplane one night.
6/21/2009 9:07:00 AM EDT
[#17]
I apologize because it appears the first link I supplied is broken for some reason (which is odd, because it worked fine yesterday).  This is unfortunate, because it had an excellent write up along with a detailed map of the flight path of the aircraft.

Here is another link to a story which discusses it.  This one does not go into anywhere near the same fascinating detail, but FWIW at least you get the gist of it:

Try This One
6/21/2009 9:11:43 AM EDT
[#18]
Video about it :





6/21/2009 9:30:09 AM EDT
[#19]
Another similar incident: http://www.ufocasebook.com/minotafbufo1968.html

The Buff crew all came forward & gave interviews a few years ago (on 20/20 IIRC) & confirmed what is described at the link.

Getting up there in years, they wanted to unburden themselves & finally tell the American people what they had seen.
6/21/2009 9:33:18 AM EDT
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I am pretty skeptical about the "extraterrestrial intelligence" theory regarding UFO sightings.

In fact, I am extremely skeptical about it.


I do not rule out the possibility of other intelligent life forms in the universe, but I consider it unlikely in the extreme that any of them are visiting here on a regular basis.

I feel that the signal to noise ratio in UFO reports (i.e., genuine, hardcore phenomena versus misidentification of natural objects and other ordinary explanations) is probably 1:1000 or lower.

However...

There ARE a few well documented cases in the archives that really do seem to defy any conventional explanation.

Case in point - the RB-47 incident of July, 1957.

This case involved several highly reputable eyewitnesses with extensive experience observing the sky (the pilots and crew of the RB-47), confirmed detection by ground based radars, and confirmed detection by airborne passive electronic receiver and signal analysis gear.

All the equipment involved was checked and rechecked to ensure it was functioning properly, which it was.

As for the people involved, all were professonal military aviators with everything to lose and nothing to gain by perpetrating a hoax (which, for the officers, would have been career-ending).

This was one of the only cases examined by the Condon Committee and Project Blue Book that could not be explained.

July 1957 - The RB-47 Incident



That's ok. I am skeptical of terrestrial intelligence.
6/21/2009 9:36:10 AM EDT
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http://www.iwasabducted.com/ufogallery/ufo68.jpg

Reflection off bird's bellies, a common UFO phenomena.




Nevermind that birds typically do not fly at night.

WRONG !!  According to the .gov many birds fly at night, inverted (so the moonlight can reflect off their bellies) and at 60,000+ feet.  Yeah, they do switch to oxygen masks above 12,000 feet as per bird flight regs.

High altitude inverted bird flight and desert generated swamp gas account for many UFO sightings.



5sub


In the fall in ND when the Snow Geese are migrating down I've seen them in the clouds during the night time glow of lights flying by the thousands-

And during that time of year it gets dark at 7 or 8- and these geese would be often seen at 10:00 or later.




But geese never fly in a staggered V formation; several sightings have been explained away as geese even thought the objects were clearly staggered.
6/21/2009 9:47:58 AM EDT
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6/21/2009 10:08:07 AM EDT
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My FIL worked for NASA , Wallops Island, for a very long time.



He said that on numerous occasions they would be tracking our previously launched rockets via radar, when suddenly the radar would lock on some other object traveling at great speed out from our atmosphere into deep space.




Nothing on earth at that time could reach those speeds.