This thread is awesome..... I better watch out for all the pot needles that will be around if they legalize it and all the schizophrenics that will be everywhere.

Big pharma study sounds like is what this is.  Why not do a study of the effects of alcohol usage?  Either way I would rather smoke MJ than take opioids if I had pain at least I would still be able to shit and not have seizures eventually.

I've always heard masturbation will cause you to have hairy palms.

If marijuana should remain illegal because of potential negative health effects, explain why tobacco remains legal.  

If marijuana should remain illegal because of potential dangers due to impairment, explain why alcohol remains legal.

That's ridiculous.  Everyone knows it just makes you go blind.

The funny part about these studies is that...

I DON'T CARE.

Sometimes dangerous shit is legal, and we are left to make our own choices. E.g.: cars, firearms, unhealthy food, etc.

It's a plant.  It was here on earth, as-is, and some dickwad made it "illegal."  That is just stupid.

Fucking pot needles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1177258/Are-wrecking-brain-Chilling-pictures-reveal-shocking-effects-alcohol-cigarettes-caffeine-mind.html

I agree with this statement.  I would only add, I will stay out of your business as long as you stay out of my pocket.  Yes, this includes drunks, fat-ass, and cancer stick puffers....

You can't believe everything dopers say.

It neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket.

It depends on how you look at it. The funding for marijuana eradication/suppression comes from somewhere.

Right, look it up.

A.W.D.

The weed folks are smoking nowadays is pretty damn powerful. Not the same dime-bag shit folks were toking when I was in HS.

Naw that info is BS.  Why you are so hating fun times with da reefer?

Smoking pot leads to, uh.......I forget

Dopers crack me up. 

To be honest, there was something there before pot supposedly triggered it. I've known an awful lot of pot smokers in my life and certainly did my part in the '70's and would have noticed that.

I'm reminded of the myth that LSD causes chromosome damage. 

That article sounds silly. The lung thing is obvious but the rest is 

There are products made from pot that are most certainly beneficial to people with certain issues. Granted there are a lot of unsubstantiated claims as well.

Sounds legit. But potheads gonna pothead.

LoL potheads...smoke all the pot you want, but no matter what you aren't going to be as sharp as someone who isn't smoking pot on the daily.

Matter of fact.

We have a family we're close with that has a daughter in her early 30's. She was very book smart and was an up and coming stand-up comedian. She would travel around to all the different comedy clubs like it was her circuit. Started out improve, finally got to where she was an opening act, constantly writing and getting her chops up to hopefully one day be a headliner. Somewhere in there she was introduced to pot. In a relatively short period of time she went from being a hard working, smart young woman to a totally bat shit crazy. Walked out of her apartment one day and hitch-hiked to NYC under the total belief that she was Jesus Christ reincarnated. Nobody knew where she went. She surfaced after a couple of months in a homeless shelter in Queens. A worker managed to get enough info from her to track down her father who is a reputable attorney. He dropped everything, flew out there, and brought her home. She couldn't remember how many times she'd been raped while she was gone.
So they get her to a psychiatrist. He tells them that for whatever unknown reason, pot can trigger mental illness in some people. Mind you, nobody in her family had ever been diagnosed with any form of mental illness before. Not even depression let alone full blown schizo. But for some people it's almost like there's a mental illness lurking in you somewhere down deep, waiting to come out, but it never will. It takes a psychotropic to bring it out. And now it's out.

So she gets prescribed some different drugs to try and stabilize her because at that moment she was still convinced she's the big JC along with some other weird paranoid shit. She stopped wearing shoes at some point convinced they were making her go to bad places and listening to her or some such thing. The new drugs make her sane again to where she completely recognized that she had been behaving completely irrationally. She knew she had been crazy. Her old self was back... but sort of muted. The side effects of the prescription medications was that she was left lethargic, she drooled a lot, and she felt like they clouded her mental acuity. She had her sense of humor back but found it nearly impossible to write. Totally impossible to do stand-up. She was miserable.

So after a while she quits taking her meds. She starts feeling better, has more energy, quits slobbering her pillows, feels really sharp, feels funnier again, writes profusely...  feels powerful, feels like a God, realizes she's Jesus Christ, hitch-hikes back to NYC. It's become a repeating pattern. Her dad has had to retrieve her from NYC 3 times now. When she gets back on her meds and regains her sensibilities she reads what she wrote when she quit her meds. It's all nonsensical ramblings and there's not a fucking thing funny about it.

It's damn near destroyed her family. Cost them a SHITLOAD of money. Finally, her family has basically told her that she can either stay on her meds until a better treatment is developed or she can go her own way and they'll just accept in their hearts that she's dead.

I just don't see any benefit to smoking pot. I suppose I'd consider it if I was using it to help cope with the pain of some other illness. But short of that, I fail to see any upside. When it comes to your brain, don't try and fix it if it ain't broken.

So your paranoid schizophrenic mother says pot made her paranoid schizophrenic?

And you believe her?

The Pharmaceutical Industry greases the most $ to congress then any other Industry.

Its amazing a Law was passed to where they have to list the possible harmful effects of their pills. Which usually takes about five paragraphs to finish and always ends with "sudden death".

Medicine? What a racket!

LOL this.

Just like when the leftists make up stats and claims about guns and gun control, the only ones making these outlandish claims of "curing cancer" are the anti's.  I have never once heard someone try to argue that pot "cures" cancer or any other disease.  It merely helps deal with all the shitty side effects of nasty treatments such as chemo.

Oh, OP, where ya' been hiding?


It's been so long that I can't even dimly reconstruct what statist blather you were spewing last time: Was it about the efficacy of the NFA, or maybe something about roads...

I posted a link on page one.

Hahaha... Roads. What a funny word. Row-adds.

LOL at the ones that bring up alcohol in the dope threads. 

I would just like some consistency.

If weed is bad then that is fine, but then so is alcohol and tobacco and soda.

So why aren't these other items banned?

Refer Madness again

I hear this all the time, and recently had a chance to talk to a coworker who has smoked regularly since Vietnam. His response was that yes there are stronger strains available now, but he doesn't get any more high now than he did in the 70's. He just smokes less material.

It's still marijuana. It hasn't morphed into heroimethiopicaine.

LOL at tango1978 still posting in the dope threads, still adding nothing to the conversation.

I know! Make it a HATE CRIME! That'll fix it!

I'd like to see the study. I have some real doubts about the schizophrenia claim since MJ use is highest in the age group most common for onset.  I have a suspicion somebody is playing games with correlation/causation.

As for traffic accidents and lung issues, yeah, no shit having an altered state increases the chances of a crash and no shit smoke is bad for your lungs.  That's not exactly ground breaking research.

Causes munchies and laughing at dick&fart jokes.

Rooooooods!!

The disease of life.

A perfectly sound and legitimate reason to me. Legalize it already, so that we can stop having this ridiculous and pointless discussion. 

A study just came out saying that people with schizophrenia were more inclined to smoke weed, and that the link is in reverse.

Correct. It's a lot better than it used to be. 

Pot does not cause schizophrenia.  

Schizophrenia occourance by country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_schizophrenia#By_country

Marijuana use by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country
USA: 16.2
Afghanistan: 4.3
Iran: 4.2
Vietnam: 0.3

There are enough downsides to pot, including a couple of serious ones, that it is foolish to use it.

Inhaling smoke is bad.  Inhaling God-knows-what compounds is bad for you.  High enough risk for psychological problems to be seriously worrisome.

Most people can use it without serious problems.  But if your Glock had a 10% change of catastrophic failure over a year's heavy use, would you shoot it?

I teach psychology.  Just yesterday we went over some of the recent research (last 5 years) on pot.  It kills ambition in a significant percent of users.  There is evidence of psychotic symptoms in the vast majority of users.  Psychosis has several symptoms which you are free to look up.  I tell them as often as possible that smoking anything is bad.  Smoking pot is very bad.  I hope I can steer at least one kid away.

Also:

Marijuana Smokers Face Rapid Lung Destruction -- As Much As 20 ...
Jan 27, 2008 ... A new study finds that the development of bullous lung disease occurs in marijuana smokers approximately 20 years earlier than tobacco ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080123104017.htm

Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than ...
Dec 18, 2007 ... Here's another reason to "keep off the grass." Researchers report that marijuana smoke contains significantly higher levels of several toxic ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

Early marijuana use associated with abnormal brain function, lower IQ
Oct 5, 2016 ... In a new study, scientists have discovered that early marijuana use may result in abnormal brain function and lower IQ.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161005160733.htm

Marijuana use in pregnancy is major risk for pre-term birth ...
May 12, 2016 ... For the first time, science has shown a direct link between continued marijuana use during pregnancy and pre-term birth. The results show that ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160512100947.htm

Marijuana use may be linked to temporarily weakened heart muscle ...
Nov 13, 2016 ... Active marijuana use may double the risk of stress cardiomyopathy, an uncommon heart muscle malfunction that can mimic heart attack ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161113160447.htm

Long-term marijuana use changes brain's reward circuit ...
Jun 7, 2016 ... Researchers have demonstrated that long-term marijuana users had more activity in the brain's reward processes when presented with ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160607151239.htm

A minute of secondhand marijuana smoke may damage blood vessels
Jul 27, 2016 ... Rats' blood vessels took at least three times longer to recover function after only a minute of breathing secondhand marijuana smoke, ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160727172005.htm

What is risk of mental health, substance use disorders if you use ...
Feb 17, 2016 ... With more states legalizing marijuana for medical and recreational use, there are renewed clinical and policy concerns about the mental health ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160217112836.htm

Long-term marijuana use associated with worse verbal memory in ...
Feb 1, 2016 ... Marijuana use over time was associated with remembering fewer words from a list but it did not appear to affect other areas of cognitive function ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160201123034.htm

Brain changes associated with casual marijuana use in young adults
Apr 15, 2014 ... The size and shape of two brain regions involved in emotion and motivation may differ in young adults who smoke marijuana at least once a ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140415181156.htm

Adolescent alcohol, marijuana use leads to poor academic ...
Jun 14, 2016 ... Adolescents who use both marijuana and alcohol during middle school and high school are more likely to have poor academic performance ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160614083121.htm

Marijuana use dampens brain's response to reward over time, study ...
Jul 6, 2016 ... "What we saw was that over time, marijuana use was associated with a lower response to a monetary reward," says senior author and U-M ...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160706114407.htm

I'm pretty sure one would have to be high in order to understand what you are espousing as "logic"

Actually it's the other way around.

Your free to block me. You change your name to smokestick,

But these are fun, they are almost as good at the pension, union, police, and chili threads

Trolling is a art.

Well played, sir.

The second most abundant cannabinoid is CBD, which is providing most of the medicinal effects.  My four legged best friend has epilepsy and for some reason over the past 3 -4 years his seizures hit hard and frequent in the winter months.  I have him on a veterinarian formulated product called Vet-CBD for 4 months now and he has had only 1 light seizure. It has a 19:1 ratio cbd to thc (non psychoactive)  and is derived from the flower, not hemp stems like the stuff you can buy online. I have him on a very light daily dose but it does seem to be working. I'm thrilled that we may finally get his seizures under control and without using those awful seizure meds with multiple bad side effects. I was not wanting to put him on those meds when the vet explained it.