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1/11/2023 7:04:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By S13:

You are exactly correct.  The shots had no effectiveness.
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I like how you guys post papers that say the vaccine does work some but then say that it doesn’t.
1/11/2023 10:47:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

I like how you guys post papers that say the vaccine does work some but then say that it doesn't.
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Originally Posted By S13:

You are exactly correct.  The shots had no effectiveness.

I like how you guys post papers that say the vaccine does work some but then say that it doesn't.
"Papers"
2021, the year America died of democratism.
1/11/2023 10:47:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844:


But why don't we use the same methodology for the things that are more deadly than Covid?
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

That's not what happened though.


But why don't we use the same methodology for the things that are more deadly than Covid?
Because that isnt the way liberals work.
2021, the year America died of democratism.
1/11/2023 10:57:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

Semantics are very important. A 10 year process isn't required when they were able to save many years of time.
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Semantics can be important, but context matters. When the context is: someone is willfully ignoring the point of something to instead pick out and hyper-focus on the semantics in order to create a tangential thing to argue about in a desperate attempt to be right about something.......then they're not very important at all........

Again, you can't replace time. Time is needed because (drumrolll)......it's the ultimate decider on what things do and how things turn out. Theorize and experiment all you want, make all the claims you want etc etc....time and reality will be the ultimate judge as always. There's just no replacing that, sorry.

1/11/2023 11:20:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

I was going to type a bunch but I will just say I will point it out when someone says something wrong or they use incorrect logic. Covid is an evidenced based topic, not a faith based one.
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844:

Generally speaking

I was going to type a bunch but I will just say I will point it out when someone says something wrong or they use incorrect logic. Covid is an evidenced based topic, not a faith based one.

Lost all credibility
1/11/2023 12:24:29 PM EDT
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Lost all credibility
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:
Originally Posted By Sokarul:
Originally Posted By Smokey0844:

Generally speaking

I was going to type a bunch but I will just say I will point it out when someone says something wrong or they use incorrect logic. Covid is an evidenced based topic, not a faith based one.

Lost all credibility
Just now?



2021, the year America died of democratism.
1/11/2023 12:54:07 PM EDT
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Just now?



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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:
Originally Posted By Sokarul:
Originally Posted By Smokey0844:

Generally speaking

I was going to type a bunch but I will just say I will point it out when someone says something wrong or they use incorrect logic. Covid is an evidenced based topic, not a faith based one.

Lost all credibility
Just now?





More like months ago when I put him on ignore because of his insufferable ignorance. It's hard to have a debate when someone doesn't recognize the basics and refuses to learn them.
1/11/2023 2:28:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Smokey0844:


Very true.

The issue I see is that a lot of people don’t trust the powers that be to admit causation.
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People have been dropping dead since the dawn of human kind.  The only difference is that now every time it happens, it's reported in the news, politicized and spun into various conspiracy theories.  After a long career in EMS, well before Covid was a thing, I've seen it many times.  There's countless medical issues that cause seemingly healthy people to die suddenly.

While only time and testing will tell if the vaccine has any connection to some of these, it's important to understand that seemingly healthy people dying suddenly has always been a thing.

Just like tornadoes didn't slowly become deadlier, as the left loves to claim, the human population just expanded and more people found themselves in the path them. Correlation doesn't equal causation.


Very true.

The issue I see is that a lot of people don’t trust the powers that be to admit causation.


They will never come out and say the vaccine is causing these deaths. Could you imagine the public riots if they came out tomorrow and said " yeah there's a good possibility you might die or ha e serious health consequences from these vaccines. The uptick in died suddenly is from the vaccine. Sorry". All the people who were coerced into getting the vax or losing their jobs amd starving. All the people who were told it was safe and effective and went and got it and their kids got it and now have myocarditis amd health issues the rest of their lives. If you thought the BLM riots amd burnings were bad over 1 black man dying how would it be if the news came out tomorrow and admitted to genocide. How many lawsuits would happen from someone who was coerced into getting it them died of a heart attack. They will never come out and say these things.
1/11/2023 2:38:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO:


They will never come out and say the vaccine is causing these deaths. Could you imagine the public riots if they came out tomorrow and said " yeah there's a good possibility you might die or ha e serious health consequences from these vaccines. The uptick in died suddenly is from the vaccine. Sorry". All the people who were coerced into getting the vax or losing their jobs amd starving. All the people who were told it was safe and effective and went and got it and their kids got it and now have myocarditis amd health issues the rest of their lives. If you thought the BLM riots amd burnings were bad over 1 black man dying how would it be if the news came out tomorrow and admitted to genocide. How many lawsuits would happen from someone who was coerced into getting it them died of a heart attack. They will never come out and say these things.
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You are correct.
1/11/2023 3:38:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

Lost all credibility
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Have fun at church I guess.
1/11/2023 3:41:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


More like months ago when I put him on ignore because of his insufferable ignorance. It's hard to have a debate when someone doesn't recognize the basics and refuses to learn them.
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Remember when you claimed a blood pH buffer was a mind control drug?
1/11/2023 4:02:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

Have fun at church I guess.
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

Lost all credibility

Have fun at church I guess.

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)
1/11/2023 6:47:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)
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Maybe for the 100% efficacy claim. Not for anything else.
1/11/2023 7:22:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)
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As someone who has generally been an agnostic, I approve this message.
1/11/2023 8:48:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

Maybe for the 100% efficacy claim. Not for anything else.
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)

Maybe for the 100% efficacy claim. Not for anything else.



Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Congratulations.  You have taken that first step.  
2021, the year America died of democratism.
1/11/2023 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Congratulations.  You have taken that first step.  
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What? Efficacy comes from controlled trials. None I know showed 100%.
1/11/2023 10:23:02 PM EDT
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Huh?
Pain of regret is far worse than pain of discipline.

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1/11/2023 11:04:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:
Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

Lost all credibility

Have fun at church I guess.

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)


The HEGT shots do serve a purpose: to make billions off the taxpayers for nothing.
1/11/2023 11:36:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By planemaker:


The HEGT shots do serve a purpose: to make billions off the taxpayers for nothing.
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:
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Originally Posted By hellishhorses:

Lost all credibility

Have fun at church I guess.

There is exponentially more scientific evidence to support the existence of God than:

15 days to slow the spread
Masks work
social distancing
testing positive
asymptomatic spread
safe & effective vaccine
100% efficacy
95% efficacy
Vaccinated can't spread
Vax lessens symptoms
Vax serves a purpose (other than kill people)


The HEGT shots do serve a purpose: to make billions off the taxpayers for nothing.

10% for the big guy.
What is written is my opinion, and my opinion only.
1/12/2023 1:36:20 PM EDT
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"History is not there for you to like or dislike. It is there for you to learn from it. And if it offends you, even better. Because then you are less likely to repeat it." LtCol Allen West
1/12/2023 2:10:24 PM EDT
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18 year old dies after gym class.
1/12/2023 2:51:57 PM EDT
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18 year old dies after gym class.
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He dies a lot. Usually someone only dies once, but not here.
1/12/2023 5:01:59 PM EDT
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He dies a lot. Usually someone only dies once, but not here.
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1/12/2023 5:46:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sokarul:

What? Efficacy comes from controlled trials. None I know showed 100%.
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"Controlled trials."

Based on the shitshow "trials" Pfizer ran, actual vaccine efficacy was between 0% and 19%. That's in the short time window that they DID look at. Reality shows the actual efficacy is negative.
1/12/2023 5:59:23 PM EDT
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Agreed. Since we know the experimental shots can cause heart damage, any heart death should be rightly open to scrutiny.
1/12/2023 8:27:21 PM EDT
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LISA MARIE PRESLEY CRITICAL CONDITION, ON LIFE SUPPORT, IN COMA

Lisa Marie Presley is in the Intensive Care Unit, on life support with a temporary pacemaker after suffering cardiac arrest ... sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ.

Our sources say Lisa Marie is in an induced coma and in critical condition.

TMZ broke the story ... Lisa Marie was in full cardiac arrest Thursday morning, before paramedics arrived. We're told her housekeeper found Lisa Marie unresponsive in her bedroom, and just as the housekeeper made that discovery her ex-husband, Danny Keough -- with whom Lisa Marie lives -- returned home from taking their kids to school. He administered CPR until paramedics took over.

Paramedics gave her at least one epinephrine shot and her pulse was restored. She was then rushed to a nearby hospital.

Our sources say Lisa Marie had complained early Thursday morning of stomach pains, that got more and more intense. The sources wanted to make clear ... this was NOT a suicide attempt.

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Epinephrine seems odd unless they knew something. Stomach pains. Doesn’t strike me as vaccine.
1/12/2023 8:41:47 PM EDT
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Um

Its used to restart a stopped heart, que no?  Directly injected into the heart.  I saw it in Pulp Fiction.
Pain of regret is far worse than pain of discipline.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
1/12/2023 9:06:56 PM EDT
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Um

Its used to restart a stopped heart, que no?  Directly injected into the heart.  I saw it in Pulp Fiction.
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Sadly they don't let us do it intracardiac anymore, but it is definitely first line for cardiac arrest.
1/12/2023 9:21:16 PM EDT
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So it’s used for more than just allergic reactions. That’s good to know.
1/12/2023 9:25:34 PM EDT
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So it’s used for more than just allergic reactions. That’s good to know.
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Different concentrations.  1:10,000 for cardiac, 1:1000 for anaphylaxis.
1/12/2023 10:01:34 PM EDT
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1/12/2023 11:26:23 PM EDT
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She was a drug addict.  Hopefully in recovery.  Just like pro bodybuilders, and anyone else who abuses drugs, she wouldn't have lived past 50s or 60s anyway.  I'm not suspecting "the vaxxx" in her case, but rather a lifetime of drug abuse that finally caught up with her.
Pain of regret is far worse than pain of discipline.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
1/13/2023 8:13:32 AM EDT
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Sadly they don't let us do it intracardiac anymore, but it is definitely first line for cardiac arrest.
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Um

Its used to restart a stopped heart, que no?  Directly injected into the heart.  I saw it in Pulp Fiction.



Sadly they don't let us do it intracardiac anymore, but it is definitely first line for cardiac arrest.

Really? Are you saying medics in the field aren't allowed to do it, or doctors in a hospital as well...is it just verboten now?

Also, kinda unrelated, but I knew a guy who robbed an ambulance, decided epinephrine was the best drug he could find, and somehow smoked it, giving himself an instant heart attack
He had to call 911 while having a heart attack and explain what he did lol. I wish I could've heard that 911 call.
1/13/2023 11:51:57 AM EDT
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Really? Are you saying medics in the field aren't allowed to do it, or doctors in a hospital as well...is it just verboten now?

Also, kinda unrelated, but I knew a guy who robbed an ambulance, decided epinephrine was the best drug he could find, and somehow smoked it, giving himself an instant heart attack
He had to call 911 while having a heart attack and explain what he did lol. I wish I could've heard that 911 call.
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A doc could do anything I guess but I've never seen it administered that way except on TV.  

Have no idea how you could smoke that.  It's a liquid.  

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1/13/2023 1:41:19 PM EDT
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A doc could do anything I guess but I've never seen it administered that way except on TV.  

Have no idea how you could smoke that.  It's a liquid.  

https://accessemergencymedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=683 ionid=45343675#:~:text=Epinephrine%20is%20the%20only%20resuscitative,the%20initial%20dose%20in%20children
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Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Really? Are you saying medics in the field aren't allowed to do it, or doctors in a hospital as well...is it just verboten now?

Also, kinda unrelated, but I knew a guy who robbed an ambulance, decided epinephrine was the best drug he could find, and somehow smoked it, giving himself an instant heart attack
He had to call 911 while having a heart attack and explain what he did lol. I wish I could've heard that 911 call.



A doc could do anything I guess but I've never seen it administered that way except on TV.  

Have no idea how you could smoke that.  It's a liquid.  

https://accessemergencymedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=683 ionid=45343675#:~:text=Epinephrine%20is%20the%20only%20resuscitative,the%20initial%20dose%20in%20children

Lol, I'm aware it's liquid... crackheads have ways I guess?

Anyway, I guess pulp fiction was just that; fiction.
1/13/2023 2:50:02 PM EDT
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Lol, I'm aware it's liquid... crackheads have ways I guess?

Anyway, I guess pulp fiction was just that; fiction.
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Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Really? Are you saying medics in the field aren't allowed to do it, or doctors in a hospital as well...is it just verboten now?

Also, kinda unrelated, but I knew a guy who robbed an ambulance, decided epinephrine was the best drug he could find, and somehow smoked it, giving himself an instant heart attack
He had to call 911 while having a heart attack and explain what he did lol. I wish I could've heard that 911 call.



A doc could do anything I guess but I've never seen it administered that way except on TV.  

Have no idea how you could smoke that.  It's a liquid.  

https://accessemergencymedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=683 ionid=45343675#:~:text=Epinephrine%20is%20the%20only%20resuscitative,the%20initial%20dose%20in%20children

Lol, I'm aware it's liquid... crackheads have ways I guess?

Anyway, I guess pulp fiction was just that; fiction.


Vapes?
1/13/2023 3:34:40 PM EDT
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Vapes?
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Really? Are you saying medics in the field aren't allowed to do it, or doctors in a hospital as well...is it just verboten now?

Also, kinda unrelated, but I knew a guy who robbed an ambulance, decided epinephrine was the best drug he could find, and somehow smoked it, giving himself an instant heart attack
He had to call 911 while having a heart attack and explain what he did lol. I wish I could've heard that 911 call.



A doc could do anything I guess but I've never seen it administered that way except on TV.  

Have no idea how you could smoke that.  It's a liquid.  

https://accessemergencymedicine.mhmedical.com/content.aspx?bookid=683 ionid=45343675#:~:text=Epinephrine%20is%20the%20only%20resuscitative,the%20initial%20dose%20in%20children

Lol, I'm aware it's liquid... crackheads have ways I guess?

Anyway, I guess pulp fiction was just that; fiction.


Vapes?

I honestly don't know but that wasn't a thing back then. I assume he "rocked it up" somehow.

He told us the story but didn't go into the chemistry details lol. I'd say it was bullshit except a few years later, a local cop/firefighter told me the same story and confirmed the town etc...I was like: I know that guy! He used to buy us beer in highschool
1/13/2023 9:27:06 PM EDT
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Darien councilwoman dies suddenly

Darien City Councilwoman Marcy Goodyear died suddenly Tuesday, leaving city government shocked and saddened at the loss of one of its members, Mayor Hugh Hodge said.

Hodge said he was told Goodyear died of a heart attack.

She had nearly three years left in the four-year term she won in November 2021.

“She was a wonderful lady. She didn’t meet a stranger,’’ Hodge said. “She always spoke her mind and voted from her heart.”

Hodge acknowledged that he and Goodyear had been on opposite sides of issues a number of times but said she could disagree without being disagreeable.

“It was just shocking,’’ he said of her death.

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1/14/2023 1:05:16 AM EDT
[#42]
Shocking

Coincidentally
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1/14/2023 12:46:50 PM EDT
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Damar Hamlins family have came out and said he experienced a heart attack at the game on Monday.
1/14/2023 1:04:03 PM EDT
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Interesting.   Maybe I was wrong.
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1/14/2023 3:41:03 PM EDT
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Interesting.   Maybe I was wrong.
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Damar Hamlins family have came out and said he experienced a heart attack at the game on Monday.

Interesting.   Maybe I was wrong.



About what?

Pain of regret is far worse than pain of discipline.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
1/14/2023 9:23:26 PM EDT
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About what?

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Damar Hamlins family have came out and said he experienced a heart attack at the game on Monday.

Interesting.   Maybe I was wrong.



About what?

Thinking it was a blow to the chest that disrupted his heart rhythm
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1/14/2023 9:51:21 PM EDT
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Wouldn't commotio cordis count as cardiac arrest too? Other heart doctors have said the fact he redlined again at the hospital made commotion cordis unlikely.
1/14/2023 10:03:00 PM EDT
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Wouldn't commotio cordis count as cardiac arrest too? Other heart doctors have said the fact he redlined again at the hospital made commotion cordis unlikely.
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Tinfoil theory...the experimental injection enlarged his part or inflamed some of it, made him that much more susceptible to CC.  The fact he had another heart attack after he was at the hospital means  most likely something else was wrong.  Could be from getting his chest pounded on for 10 minutes but the fact he was in the hospital so long makes me really wonder.  As far as I know he was transferred to a Buffalo Hospital and is still there but haven't looked recently, figure it would made just as much news as his "release" from the Cincinnati Hospital.
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1/14/2023 10:10:48 PM EDT
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Tinfoil theory...the experimental injection enlarged his part or inflamed some of it, made him that much more susceptible to CC.  The fact he had another heart attack after he was at the hospital means  most likely something else was wrong.  Could be from getting his chest pounded on for 10 minutes but the fact he was in the hospital so long makes me really wonder.  As far as I know he was transferred to a Buffalo Hospital and is still there but haven't looked recently, figure it would made just as much news as his "release" from the Cincinnati Hospital.
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Commotion cordis in this case would be outlandishly rare. I absolutely believe he suffered from a congenital or otherwise unknown heart condition (vax), that was exacerbated by exertion and the hit.

BTW he was released from the hospital days ago. Curious we haven't heard any updates on whats caused his heart attack/arrest....Hmm....
1/14/2023 11:03:58 PM EDT
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Wouldn't commotio cordis count as cardiac arrest too? Other heart doctors have said the fact he redlined again at the hospital made commotion cordis unlikely.
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Thinking it was a blow to the chest that disrupted his heart rhythm

Wouldn't commotio cordis count as cardiac arrest too? Other heart doctors have said the fact he redlined again at the hospital made commotion cordis unlikely.
Not sure.  

I bet will will never get enough info to really know.
2021, the year America died of democratism.

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