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1/13/2009 10:45:45 AM EDT
How long (approximately) should I plan on it taking for my system to run a 25 gig upload to our offsite backup server farm over a T1 line?

The server farm will be doing 4096 bit encryption as it saves and compresses the data (consisting of 277,000 files).

Just trying to get a sense of how many hours.

1/13/2009 10:46:45 AM EDT
[#1]
Long time
1/13/2009 10:47:05 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
Long time


1/13/2009 10:53:09 AM EDT
[#3]
How far, in miles, is your offsite location?

Not that it will take longer to upload... but the bandwidth of a station wagon on a highway might be higher.
1/13/2009 10:55:04 AM EDT
[#4]
Let's see T1 = 1.544 Mbps or ~197KB/s.

25G = 25,600MB = 26,214,400 KB

Shortest theoretical time = 133068s  = ~37 hours.

Add a fudge factor of 10% or more perhaps.
1/13/2009 10:57:34 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Let's see T1 = 1.544 Mbps or ~197KB/s.

25G = 25,600MB = 26,214,400 KB

Shortest theoretical time = 133068s  = ~37 hours.

Add a fudge factor of 10% or more perhaps.



See above.
1/13/2009 11:01:37 AM EDT
[#6]
I can speak from experience copying large amounts of data offsite on a t1 that it will take several hours(upwards of 24) to complete the copy assuming that there is no other traffic on the line.  Is the computer that is managing the copy also doing the encryption in real time or are the files encrypted prior to copying

1/13/2009 11:03:22 AM EDT
[#7]



Quoted:





Quoted:


Let's see T1 = 1.544 Mbps or ~197KB/s.





25G = 25,600MB = 26,214,400 KB





Shortest theoretical time = 133068s  = ~37 hours.





Add a fudge factor of 10% or more perhaps.

See above.



This. With TCP overhead and other misc factors, it tends to be closer to 175 KB/s, give or take.





He didn't say what protocol he was using, though.











 
1/13/2009 11:05:01 AM EDT
[#8]
Do you have a direct, point to point T1?  If so, see above calculations and at least the 10% for just normal latency.  The encryption and compression, depends on the beef behind the hardware doing said actions.  I would call it a week just to be safe personally.
1/13/2009 11:05:46 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let's see T1 = 1.544 Mbps or ~197KB/s.

25G = 25,600MB = 26,214,400 KB

Shortest theoretical time = 133068s  = ~37 hours.

Add a fudge factor of 10% or more perhaps.



See above.

This. With TCP overhead and other misc factors, it tends to be closer to 175 KB/s, give or take.

He didn't say what protocol he was using, though.
 


NetBIOS with Win3.11?  
1/13/2009 11:06:28 AM EDT
[#10]
If my math is correct:
1.5megabits/sec = 193kilobytes/sec
25 Gigabytes / 192kbs = 129.5k secs
129.5k secs / 86400 sec/day = 1.4 days.

That's assuming no additional delays from CPU overhead (encrypt/decrypt) or router bottlenecks, circuit delays etc.

ETA: slow on the post
1/13/2009 11:11:24 AM EDT
[#11]
There's an old saying. What's the fastest way to get 500Mb to California? FedEx.

Wow, its very hard to put a real time estimate on something like this. Just running the numbers doesn't account for network load or latency. Lots of variables that you have to work out about your network and the hardware attached to it.

There is a reason for doing local storage with a streaming compressed feed to a remote backup. This way things get backed up right now. In the mean time you stream your backup to the remote site as you can get it done.

One of the best solutions is a local backup, write to tape and stream to a remote site. Might want to include some off-site storage too. The last big shop I worked in we used NetBack to do local backup and recovery with the backup going to a disk farm. From there it was streamed to a remote central repository on a dedicated circuit. No othere traffic on it, ever. We also wrote each backup to tape and Iron Mountain picked up and returned old stuff twice a week. Off site retention was on a 60 day cycle.
1/13/2009 11:14:50 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
There's an old saying. What's the fastest way to get 500Mb to California? FedEx.


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1/13/2009 11:18:52 AM EDT
[#13]
25 Gigs on a T1? My guess would be closer to a week, 120+ hours. What do I win?
1/13/2009 11:22:37 AM EDT
[#14]
I'm just going to say 37-40 hours if its a good stream and you don't have to fight other traffic.

-Foxxz
1/13/2009 11:30:41 AM EDT
[#15]
Thanks guys... I'm going to start it Friday afternoon, and hopefully it won't take too much longer.  

I wish there were a way to "pause" the uploads during the first backup.

We'll be going to incremental after this, but the first push is going to be a pain.

1/13/2009 11:35:50 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
....

Add a fudge factor of 10% or more perhaps.

You, sir, are a wild-ass optimist!


1/13/2009 11:37:32 AM EDT
[#17]
OK, so I just figured out I can do the first push by folder and once everything is on the server just go ahead and change the setting so it  does incremental checking on everything.

That lets me do a little at a time each night until we're done.

1/13/2009 11:43:40 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Thanks guys... I'm going to start it Friday afternoon, and hopefully it won't take too much longer.  

I wish there were a way to "pause" the uploads during the first backup.

We'll be going to incremental after this, but the first push is going to be a pain.



I don't know how you do your backups but heres how I do mine.

I use a program called duplicity. Its a free linux tool. Compresses and encrypts (via GPG). I backup locally. Then use rsync over ssh to send it to a remote site. You can control rsync's bandwidth usage via arguments. And if rsync loses connection, gets killed, or otherwise dies you can always resume where you left off.

Sometimes I setup a cron job to start rsync at a particular time and then another cron job to kill it off if it is still going after a few hours. Just got to monitor that it doesn't get too far behind. For that You just don't kill it off over the weekend

-Foxxz

ETA - My backup jobs are 250GB for a full backup over a 2 Mbps line.
ETA2 - duplicity rocks. It makes binary diffs for incremental backups. So if you have a 5GB file and maybe only a few MB change in the MIDDLE of the file it only backs up those changes and NOT the entire file again.
1/13/2009 12:23:49 PM EDT
[#19]
Using super-expensive leased line to move data that could be moved on a few thumb drives????
1/13/2009 12:44:14 PM EDT
[#20]
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Using super-expensive leased line to move data that could be moved on a few thumb drives????


A few? 64GB thumb drives are under $150!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2013240522%201309439130&name=64GB

-Foxxz
1/13/2009 1:07:37 PM EDT
[#21]
I'd give it 3-5 days total.
1/13/2009 1:14:04 PM EDT
[#22]


Quoted:

ETA2 - duplicity rocks. It makes binary diffs for incremental backups. So if you have a 5GB file and maybe only a few MB change in the MIDDLE of the file it only backs up those changes and NOT the entire file again.
Small point of contention, but duplicity isn't doing that, rsync is.