[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Teleportation - does it kill you (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 8/24/2016 7:08:09 PM EDT
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When one is disassembled atom by atom, and re-assembled atom by atom at the other end.
Are you deaded when taken apart and replaced by an exact clone (down to the exact memories) when re-assembled? Even if the same atoms are used to remake you? And how could anyone even tell, for sure? For the record, I am pretty sure Dr. "Bones" McCoy thinks it kills ya. He is the only expert I have heard from regarding this |
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When one is disassembled atom by atom, and re-assembled atom by atom at the other end. Are you deaded when taken apart and replaced by an exact clone (down to the exact memories) when re-assembled? Even if the same atoms are used to remake you? I wonder if the first time they do it the test subject loses all memories? |
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More than a few short stories have been written on the topic. I recall Larry Niven had a good one.
I always imagined some future job applicant having to specify whether they are willing to be transported for business purposes or not. If you die, it does bring up your level of loyalty to your new employer. |
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Quoted: When one is disassembled atom by atom, and re-assembled atom by atom at the other end. Are you deaded when taken apart and replaced by an exact clone (down to the exact memories) when re-assembled? Even if the same atoms are used to remake you? If you think that's bad, just imagine the pain of being pulled apart at an atomic level. I wonder how long it takes until you stop being able to feel it happening. |
| Your physical body dies, but your soul stays alive. The real trick to teleporting is not that taking apart and putting back together the physical parts; it's the pulling your soul out of Heaven or Hell and stuffing it back into you when they've put you back together. |
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Read my mind... Supposedly, there a copy kept of you in the buffer. |
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The dog didn't. 
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Your physical body dies, but your soul stays alive. The real trick to teleporting is not that taking apart and putting back together the physical parts; it's the pulling your soul out of Heaven or Hell and stuffing it back into you when they've put you back together. That is an interesting take on it. If the 'soul' or your 'consciousness' is tangible. |
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If you think that's bad, just imagine the pain of being pulled apart at an atomic level. I wonder how long it takes until you stop being able to feel it happening. Quoted:
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When one is disassembled atom by atom, and re-assembled atom by atom at the other end. Are you deaded when taken apart and replaced by an exact clone (down to the exact memories) when re-assembled? Even if the same atoms are used to remake you? If you think that's bad, just imagine the pain of being pulled apart at an atomic level. I wonder how long it takes until you stop being able to feel it happening. well, I shed atoms and even cells all the time. Don't even feel it! |
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Quoted: well, I shed atoms and even cells all the time. Don't even feel it! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When one is disassembled atom by atom, and re-assembled atom by atom at the other end. Are you deaded when taken apart and replaced by an exact clone (down to the exact memories) when re-assembled? Even if the same atoms are used to remake you? If you think that's bad, just imagine the pain of being pulled apart at an atomic level. I wonder how long it takes until you stop being able to feel it happening. well, I shed atoms and even cells all the time. Don't even feel it! Yeah, but the body is designed to do that in a certain way. We're talking about a machine that's basically plucking you alive, like some kind of demon-possessed mechanical Gordon Ramsey preparing still-squawking Coq au vin. |
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Quoted: Of course it kills you. I watched a episode of outer limits, that had a woman teleported back from Mars and they lost contact with Mars because the power system blew. It was down for months. The teleporter sent a copy and not the original which according to the Aliens that gave us the technology that you cant have the original and the copy living at the same time. By agreement the original must die. When teleported the original is destroyed and becomes matter for the next person coming back. |
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Some good transportation info in this article - http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1765839_Personal_Request_to_help_with_number_1_son_s_shool_project___DIRT_from_50_states.html |
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Your memories and thoughts are electrochemical processes. If your atoms and subatomic particles are reassembled exactly the same way and in the same quantum states as they were disassembled, then that's no different than you moving through space. Every particle is defined by its quantum state and location. Fermions (one of the two types of subatomic particle, such as a quark or electron - the other type is a boson, like a photon) cannot occupy the same location and quantum state at the same time. So when you move from one place to another, even if you keep the same quantum state for each particle, you're essentially made up of completely different particles because the location has changed.
Do you die when you move from the couch to the refrigerator? Or, for a completely different problem, are you a different person after seven years - or however long it takes for all your atoms to be replaced by new atoms from food - than you were before? This is the Ship of Theseus problem. If you replace a ship, piece by piece, then when does it cease to be the original ship? And what happens when you reassemble all the original pieces? |
Thought about this before, many times. Yeah its me when I wake up, because I'm there. My consciousness Is there. But being disintegrated and being zapped half way across the galaxy. Will I be there or just my copy. Yeah. I used to do Acid.
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The answer to is the same as the answer to whether or not it's the same "you" when you wake up after having gone to sleep. Or even if you are the same you from one moment to the next. No one really knows, though I think basically yeah, it's still you. |
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Quoted: /|\ You make it sound so..... fun It probably is. Imagine all those bits on the outside going first. Fingernails, skin, teeth... all the bits that previously covered and protected the now raw and open nerve endings... hopefully they go next, but the whole process is probably dumping all sorts of crazy signals into your nervous system that make mere pain seem like a skip through a field of daisies. Not that you will see any of it, because your corneas have been ripped out. Hopefully the goo inside the eyeballs gets transported before it spills everywhere through the gaping hole in the front of your eyeballs. Hopefully when it gets to the other end, all that goo will be put back where it belongs instead of spread across the front of your face as it was when the transporter finally reached that stage of the process. Same for all the blood leaking out from your veins and arteries that are dematerialising piecemeal as the process drags on. |
| It depends on what the definition of "you" is. Ninety-eight per cent of the molecules of the human body are replaced every year. So, if "you" is not a certain set of molecules and subatomic particles... then maybe teleportation doesn't kill you. Maybe "you" refers to your spiritual being. |
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I seem to remember reading a book where the premise was teleportation...it ended badly for the people who teleported frequently. You know what happens when you make a copy of a copy of a copy, ad infinitum? Yeah, errors creep in and Bad Shit happens...wish I could remember the name of the book. 
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I seem to remember reading a book where the premise was teleportation...it ended badly for the people who teleported frequently. You know what happens when you make a copy of a copy of a copy, ad infinitum? Yeah, errors creep in and Bad Shit happens...wish I could remember the name of the book. Transcription errors. 
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Transcription errors. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg/220px-MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg Quoted:
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I seem to remember reading a book where the premise was teleportation...it ended badly for the people who teleported frequently. You know what happens when you make a copy of a copy of a copy, ad infinitum? Yeah, errors creep in and Bad Shit happens...wish I could remember the name of the book. Transcription errors. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/04/MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg/220px-MichaelCrighton_Timeline.jpg That's it, thanks. 
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McCoy is a doctor, so he'd oughta know, right?  Yes it kills you. You are just as dead by teleportation as you would be in a 100mph head-on collision. The teleported "you" is not you, it's basically a clone with the same memories and personality. But it will never be you. Your consciousness was killed during the teleportation. I would never want to be teleported. |
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McCoy is a doctor, so he'd oughta know, right?
Yes it kills you. You are just as dead by teleportation as you would be in a 100mph head-on collision. The teleported "you" is not you, it's basically a clone with the same memories and personality. But it will never be you. Your consciousness was killed during the teleportation. I would never want to be teleported. But you - or your clone - would never realize you 'died' |
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Your physical body dies, but your soul stays alive. The real trick to teleporting is not that taking apart and putting back together the physical parts; it's the pulling your soul out of Heaven or Hell and stuffing it back into you when they've put you back together. A person could sooner send his own soul across the vastness of space without a machine IMO. Just because there was an arrangement of atoms at some other point in the universe that was an exact match for your former body, I doubt there is any mechanism in which ones consciousness would latch on to the new replicant. |
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Quoted: But you - or your clone - would never realize you 'died' Quoted: Quoted: McCoy is a doctor, so he'd oughta know, right? Yes it kills you. You are just as dead by teleportation as you would be in a 100mph head-on collision. The teleported "you" is not you, it's basically a clone with the same memories and personality. But it will never be you. Your consciousness was killed during the teleportation. I would never want to be teleported. But you - or your clone - would never realize you 'died' Your clone would never realize you died. But the clone is not "you". |
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Your physical body dies, but your soul stays alive. The real trick to teleporting is not that taking apart and putting back together the physical parts; it's the pulling your soul out of Heaven or Hell and stuffing it back into you when they've put you back together. It's the other way around, actually. 
I read some online fan fiction crossover story with Star Wars and Star Trek and the Jedi were horrified meeting Federation members because they had no Force, they were abominations, empty vessels, living flesh with no soul. They were killed when teleported but so perfectly reassembled the body lived, breathed, and were sentient. The Jedi considered almost as bad as the Sith. |