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Link Posted: 5/6/2015 2:07:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/6/2015 3:04:51 PM EDT
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Just got my new scope and sure as shit it's going to be cloudy for a week.

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Is that an Orion SpaceProbe 130ST?

If so,

Here's mine:



I need to use a camera other than my potato
Link Posted: 5/6/2015 3:24:29 PM EDT
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One way we could possibly find indirect evidence of life on an exoplanet is by doing spectroscopy on it's atmosphere.  Diatomic oxygen is exceedingly rare in the universe.  Pretty much the only way for it to be in high concentrations in a planet's atmosphere is from lifeforms producing it in mass.  The way we can detect that oxygen is by taking a spectrum of the light coming from a star while an exoplanet is in front of it and look for absorption lines in the light that passed through the planets atmosphere.  We can also do this for bodies in our own solar system when they pass in front of a large star.





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The signal to noise on that measurement has got to suck.

 
Link Posted: 5/6/2015 4:28:43 PM EDT
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Is that an Orion SpaceProbe 130ST?



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Here's mine:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2i24d47.jpg

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Just got my new scope and sure as shit it's going to be cloudy for a week.



http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd498/libalj/2015-05-05%2017.39.10_zpsmf2eljga.jpg









Is that an Orion SpaceProbe 130ST?



If so,



Here's mine:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2i24d47.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/dcv445.jpg



I need to use a camera other than my potato

It is indeed a 130ST.  I like it because it's light enough I can throw it in my truck and go to a nearby dark sky spot.  I use this website to scout viewing areas.

 
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The signal to noise on that measurement has got to suck.  
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One way we could possibly find indirect evidence of life on an exoplanet is by doing spectroscopy on it's atmosphere.  Diatomic oxygen is exceedingly rare in the universe.  Pretty much the only way for it to be in high concentrations in a planet's atmosphere is from lifeforms producing it in mass.  The way we can detect that oxygen is by taking a spectrum of the light coming from a star while an exoplanet is in front of it and look for absorption lines in the light that passed through the planets atmosphere.  We can also do this for bodies in our own solar system when they pass in front of a large star.





http://asd.gsfc.nasa.gov/blueshift/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/10329033583_475b14a19c_o.jpg
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The signal to noise on that measurement has got to suck.  
I'm actually surprised it works for exoplanets.  I can understand it working for stuff in our solar system because the stars we are using are basically points so most of their light has to go through the atmosphere.  Fun fact, this should be obvious for most of you, but you need to do these studies from space if you are looking for anything that is also in our atmosphere.

 
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I'm guessing that only light that's passes through the atmosphere  of an exoplanet reaches us...

If we are detecting them by the "wink" as they pass in front of the star then we know at that exact moment all the light reaching us went through the atmosphere...

I'm guessing but I'd think that is most likely what makes it possible..
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I'm guessing that only light that's passes through the atmosphere  of an exoplanet reaches us...



If we are detecting them by the "wink" as they pass in front of the star then we know at that exact moment all the light reaching us went through the atmosphere...



I'm guessing but I'd think that is most likely what makes it possible..
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That's the case for stuff in our solar system.  Because light from distant stars is essentially a single point you can be sue that all the light is passing through any atmosphere present.  As for exoplanets it's not so much of a wink as it is a very slight dimming because generally the planets are much smaller than the stars.  Because of this only a very small percentage of the light will have passed through atmosphere.  

 



If you want to help find exoplanets by looking for dimming in data from NASA's Kepler spacecraft go here.  Because people are so much better then computers at pattern recognition having the masses help sort through the data makes a lot of sense.
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Why does that thing have ridge lines going all the way around it?
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That would be interesting.  

I was thinking last night.  I wonder if there is a planet out there that has critters that evolved to communicate with vocalized farts?
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Since what we see is light years old history, how much warning do we get when our universe has some final ending?

Light seems to lie to us, not telling us what's now - it tells us what was.

Just thinking out loud, actually thought of this last week - but it took this long to get posted.
Right now the odds are pointing towards the universe ending in heat death long after the sun dies out.  Basically the the universe will expand faster than gravity can pull matter together.  If humans don't colonize other planets (which is impossible for the foreseeable future) the sun will kill us if we or an impact don't do us in.  

ETA: Evolution could do us in in a number of ways too.

You mean like a shark-velociraptor-santa hybrid with an inherent zombie virus?  `cause that's the direction I always imagined evolution heading...
That would be interesting.  

I was thinking last night.  I wonder if there is a planet out there that has critters that evolved to communicate with vocalized farts?



I can answer that one for you!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzObO4GjcLI
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Why does that thing have ridge lines going all the way around it?
They are thought to be something called Graben caused by an impact.





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Earth and the Moon in the same frame from Voyager 1:





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If you plug your coordinates into Heavens Above, then save, you'll return to your site specific info every time.  It's geat for detailed information on Iridium sat passes, which can be incredibly bright when the local geometry is just right.
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To add some more fun stuff.

This site can help you find orbiting satellites so you can see them on your own as they pass over your location.  

With binoculars you can make out the shape of the ISS on the good passes and almost always see the gold color rejected off the solar arrays.  

A few years back I lucked into a seeing a triple pass.  The ISS, chased by Atlantis which was chased by the ESA Jules Verne HTV.  All three in a row crossing the sky at 17,800 MPH.  

Heavens Above

This site can help you navigate your mind around the sky and find really cool things to observe all on your own.  You will never see the colorful pics posted here, using your eyes but you can see things like the ORION nebula easily and see the clouds that are forming stars right now as I type this post.  I am always in awe when I look up.

Skymaps

I am not an astronomer, but I did take two years in college.  By far it was my favorite course of study, I just can't feed my family using the knowledge.


If you plug your coordinates into Heavens Above, then save, you'll return to your site specific info every time.  It's geat for detailed information on Iridium sat passes, which can be incredibly bright when the local geometry is just right.


The better Iridium flares are actually the brightest man-made objects in the sky.
Link Posted: 5/7/2015 4:36:40 PM EDT
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It is indeed a 130ST.  I like it because it's light enough I can throw it in my truck and go to a nearby dark sky spot.  I use this website to scout viewing areas.  
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Just got my new scope and sure as shit it's going to be cloudy for a week.

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd498/libalj/2015-05-05%2017.39.10_zpsmf2eljga.jpg




Is that an Orion SpaceProbe 130ST?

If so,

Here's mine:
http://i60.tinypic.com/2i24d47.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/dcv445.jpg

I need to use a camera other than my potato
It is indeed a 130ST.  I like it because it's light enough I can throw it in my truck and go to a nearby dark sky spot.  I use this website to scout viewing areas.  


I usually go to our club's rifle range.

No one else uses it at night.
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That is a really cool video. Seeing that pod separate is just amazing.
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Everyone knows that the edge of the observable universe is 14 billion light years away give or take a little right?  Wrong.  The light we see from the edge is that far away.  Because the space between here and there has been expanding while the light in transit for 14 billion years the objects we are seeing at the edge are now about 47 billion light years away.

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Wait, so is something moving faster than the speed of light here? Any further reading material on this?
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Right now the odds are pointing towards the universe ending in heat death long after the sun dies out.  Basically the the universe will expand faster than gravity can pull matter together.  If humans don't colonize other planets (which is impossible for the foreseeable future) the sun will kill us if we or an impact don't do us in.  

ETA: Evolution could do us in in a number of ways too.
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Since what we see is light years old history, how much warning do we get when our universe has some final ending?

Light seems to lie to us, not telling us what's now - it tells us what was.

Just thinking out loud, actually thought of this last week - but it took this long to get posted.
Right now the odds are pointing towards the universe ending in heat death long after the sun dies out.  Basically the the universe will expand faster than gravity can pull matter together.  If humans don't colonize other planets (which is impossible for the foreseeable future) the sun will kill us if we or an impact don't do us in.  

ETA: Evolution could do us in in a number of ways too.


Not to worry. The human race seems right on track to annihilate itself very soon.

A.W.D.
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Everyone knows that the edge of the observable universe is 14 billion light years away give or take a little right?  Wrong.  The light we see from the edge is that far away.  Because the space between here and there has been expanding while the light in transit for 14 billion years the objects we are seeing at the edge are now about 47 billion light years away.





http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/TheChaos0/mind-blown-2.gif

Wait, so is something moving faster than the speed of light here? Any further reading material on this?
No sir, space itself expanding.  Imagine the observable universe blowing up like a balloon and that galaxy being on the edge.  The light from that galaxy was emitted when the balloon was smaller.  Now imagine the light traveling towards us going the speed of light the whole time while the balloon is being inflated.  The galaxy we see today has been accelerating away from us during the 13.1 billion years the light has been traveling towards us.  Thus, that galaxy is currently much farther away than it appears.

 















The expansion has the added complication that light from far away objects is highly redshifted.  This it limits how far back hubble can see because the light we get is shifted far into the infrared and out of hubbles sensor's abilities.






















 
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Everyone knows that the edge of the observable universe is 14 billion light years away give or take a little right?  Wrong.  The light we see from the edge is that far away.  Because the space between here and there has been expanding while the light in transit for 14 billion years the objects we are seeing at the edge are now about 47 billion light years away.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/TheChaos0/mind-blown-2.gif






Wait, so is something moving faster than the speed of light here? Any further reading material on this?

Keep in mind that the 14.7 billion is to the electromagnetic spectrum horizon.  Beyond that we just don't know.  And yes, those objects at the edge of detection where there 14.7 billion years ago and have since continued on at an logarithmic pace.  They are much father that the 14.7 billion ly that we detect them at right now.  

If you where to move 5 billion ly from the earth and observe you would still detect out to around the 14.7 billion ly limit we currently have, only the view would be different and you would observe things we can't observe right now.  

We don't know if the universe is infinite or finite at this time, we just know how far out we can detect/observe.  

Nothing is moving faster than c, just not gonna happen.  Time and distance are the issue. Those far objects have continued to move over the time since they emitted the photons we are detecting now.
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No sir, space itself expanding.  Imagine the observable universe blowing up like a balloon and that galaxy being on the edge.  The light from that galaxy was emitted when the balloon was smaller.  Now imagine the light traveling towards us going the speed of light the whole time while the balloon is being inflated.  The galaxy we see today has been accelerating away from us during the 13.1 billion years the light has been traveling towards us.  Thus, that galaxy is currently much farther away than it appears.  

http://www.astro.umass.edu/~myun/teaching/a100_old/images/galNumA.gif



The expansion has the added complication that light from far away objects is highly redshifted.  This it limits how far back hubble can see because the light we get is shifted far into the infrared and out of hubbles sensor's abilities.


https://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr553/Topic16/t16_redshift2.gif



http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JWST-vs-Hubble.jpg

 
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http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/TheChaos0/mind-blown-2.gif






Wait, so is something moving faster than the speed of light here? Any further reading material on this?
No sir, space itself expanding.  Imagine the observable universe blowing up like a balloon and that galaxy being on the edge.  The light from that galaxy was emitted when the balloon was smaller.  Now imagine the light traveling towards us going the speed of light the whole time while the balloon is being inflated.  The galaxy we see today has been accelerating away from us during the 13.1 billion years the light has been traveling towards us.  Thus, that galaxy is currently much farther away than it appears.  

http://www.astro.umass.edu/~myun/teaching/a100_old/images/galNumA.gif



The expansion has the added complication that light from far away objects is highly redshifted.  This it limits how far back hubble can see because the light we get is shifted far into the infrared and out of hubbles sensor's abilities.


https://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr553/Topic16/t16_redshift2.gif



http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JWST-vs-Hubble.jpg

 


These graphics nailed it, I tried to explain it in words.  

Best post to TescoVee.  


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I took these with my 8 inch Orion Dob and steady hand holding my iPhone.

I had to do some digging for the LZ location for Apollo 15.  I have a great book with maps of the moon in high detail, then compared craters until I could pinpoint it.
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There are a couple of vids I can recomend on the age of the universe if you are interested in spending an hour learning about it.  First a more accessible Nova episode made for mass entertainment:






















And a more in depth lecture by Carolin Crawford which is more informative but in no way intimidating:



















 
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No sir, space itself expanding.  Imagine the observable universe blowing up like a balloon and that galaxy being on the edge.  The light from that galaxy was emitted when the balloon was smaller.  Now imagine the light traveling towards us going the speed of light the whole time while the balloon is being inflated.  The galaxy we see today has been accelerating away from us during the 13.1 billion years the light has been traveling towards us.  Thus, that galaxy is currently much farther away than it appears.  

http://www.astro.umass.edu/~myun/teaching/a100_old/images/galNumA.gif



The expansion has the added complication that light from far away objects is highly redshifted.  This it limits how far back hubble can see because the light we get is shifted far into the infrared and out of hubbles sensor's abilities.


https://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr553/Topic16/t16_redshift2.gif



http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JWST-vs-Hubble.jpg

 
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Everyone knows that the edge of the observable universe is 14 billion light years away give or take a little right?  Wrong.  The light we see from the edge is that far away.  Because the space between here and there has been expanding while the light in transit for 14 billion years the objects we are seeing at the edge are now about 47 billion light years away.

http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx80/TheChaos0/mind-blown-2.gif






Wait, so is something moving faster than the speed of light here? Any further reading material on this?
No sir, space itself expanding.  Imagine the observable universe blowing up like a balloon and that galaxy being on the edge.  The light from that galaxy was emitted when the balloon was smaller.  Now imagine the light traveling towards us going the speed of light the whole time while the balloon is being inflated.  The galaxy we see today has been accelerating away from us during the 13.1 billion years the light has been traveling towards us.  Thus, that galaxy is currently much farther away than it appears.  

http://www.astro.umass.edu/~myun/teaching/a100_old/images/galNumA.gif



The expansion has the added complication that light from far away objects is highly redshifted.  This it limits how far back hubble can see because the light we get is shifted far into the infrared and out of hubbles sensor's abilities.


https://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/whittle/astr553/Topic16/t16_redshift2.gif



http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/JWST-vs-Hubble.jpg

 


I have heard of the accelerating expansion of space before, but I've never seen it alongside an example with actual distances provided. Mind - Blown!

Link Posted: 5/9/2015 11:40:04 PM EDT
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I need a camera mount.  I can make out a good bit of the cloud structure with this scope.
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The cosmic ballet goes on. . .
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Apollo 13's jerry rigged air filter:





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Closer image of the bright spots:





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In!
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Unstable spin in Zero G:








 
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This is the Leo Triplet.  The Leo Triplet (also known as the M66 Group) is a small group of galaxies about 35 million light-years away in the constellation Leo.




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You might be able to clean it up a bit using a free program like gimp or edit it on you phone.  By backing it off some you may spot the bands and such even when you use your phone.
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This is the Leo Triplet.  The Leo Triplet (also known as the M66 Group) is a small group of galaxies about 35 million light-years away in the constellation Leo.



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Any idea what the bright star in the upper middle is named?
HIP 55262

 
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The blob in the center of the pic below is Holmberg 15A:









It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.
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New Horizons has resolved all of the known moons of pluto:





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our sun compared to blue supergiant



http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a011200/a011250/Sun-Star_Scale_FINAL_1080_Unlabeled.jpg

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Neutron Stars scroll all the way down At these incredibly high densities, you could cram all of humanity into a volume the size of a sugar cube.

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Think of a neutron star as a gigantic atom.  The density of it is the same as the density of the nucleolus of an atom.  



 
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The blob in the center of the pic below is Holmberg 15A:

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It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.
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The blob in the center of the pic below is Holmberg 15A:

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd498/libalj/holmberg%2015A_zpsexpgdvvp.png



It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.



 A supermassive black hole with the currently accepted mass value of 170 billion M


How does one explain how such a massive black hole forms?
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It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.








 A supermassive black hole with the currently accepted mass value of 170 billion M




How does one explain how such a massive black hole forms?
By being smarter than everyone else who has asked the question and figuring it out.

 
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The blob in the center of the pic below is Holmberg 15A:

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd498/libalj/holmberg%2015A_zpsexpgdvvp.png



It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.



 A supermassive black hole with the currently accepted mass value of 170 billion M


How does one explain how such a massive black hole forms?
By being smarter than everyone else who has asked the question and figuring it out.  


So there is still a hope I can win a Nobel prize?
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The blob in the center of the pic below is Holmberg 15A:



http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd498/libalj/holmberg%2015A_zpsexpgdvvp.png
It's an elliptical galaxy with a supermassive black hole at it's center that is thought to have a diameter 190 times larger than the distance from the sun to pluto.








 A supermassive black hole with the currently accepted mass value of 170 billion M




How does one explain how such a massive black hole forms?
By being smarter than everyone else who has asked the question and figuring it out.  




So there is still a hope I can win a Nobel prize?

Yup, right after I win a Pulitzer Prize for this thread.

 
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I went looking for the large version of that. Figured you could get a print or something.

Turns out it's fake.  A composite of two separate images.
Link Posted: 5/14/2015 4:45:35 PM EDT
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I went looking for the large version of that. Figured you could get a print or something.



Turns out it's fake.  A composite of two separate images.
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I went looking for the large version of that. Figured you could get a print or something.



Turns out it's fake.  A composite of two separate images.
I should have known better.  

 
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