Posted: 5/14/2004 3:32:07 PM EDT
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This thread was originally titled: HELP: National Guard (aka "a well regulated militia") vs. Active Duty Armed Forces? Just wanted to say thanks for the help. Paper isn't graded yet so I'll let you know how I did. Edited to Add: Another question: Who controls the National Guard and the authority to mobilize them? State of Federal Government? Is it the states where a NG unit is based that decides whether or not they are deployed to Iraq? This is from the Brady Campaign web site...
It's always been my understanding that the state really has no control over the national guard except in states of emergency such as riots and natural disasters. Based on the Brady interpretation, though, they seem to say that if the federal government decided it was going to use the Acive Duty military against US citizens that the state has the National Guard to "retaliate" with. That sounds kind of absurd. Anyone care to offer some facts on this? I'm trying to Google up a breakdown of the C&C of the NG... don't know exactly where to look so anything someone can throw out would be helpful. Link to the source are needed as well. - How many members are there in the NRA? - Numerical statistics of the following by both pro- and anti-gun references: - Accidental gun deaths involving children - School shootings - State murder rates involving gun injuries/deaths I'll more than likely continue to edit this as I come up wth more requests. Thanks guys PF74 |
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Try this. Oh, and learn to google search. NRA membership info look on the right hand side |
Thanks... I've been Google-ing but I know some people have stuff like this bookmarked or know a more precise site to find everything together. I always have trouble navigating through the NRA site when I'm looking for something specific like this... 
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Good place to start is FBI Uniform Crime Indexes For instance: crimes by weapon school violence Go down towards the bottom, have data from U.S. Department of Education. another school violence report 1998 study by US Department of Education Not sure if the links can help you but hopefully they can at least give you a start |
Much obliged pilgrim. 
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There was an article a while back that talked about Dr. Phil and the staged "children will play with guns" demonstration. It talked about where he got his doctored figures of 1,800 deaths per year 5/day... something to the effect of the age group being 0-18, to include gang/drug killings with a handgun. Does anyone recall the date of the issue this was in? Thanks guys. |
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You're understanding of control of the NG is mine and the argument is absurd. Out here the facilities are even named California Air National Guard or something similar. Wonder what Brady would say when asked why Iraqis can have an AK-47 in the house and not U.S. citizens. Brady wil also just roll their eyes if you mention government tyranny argument, as if you wouldn't stand a chance against them so why pretend. That's the essential ACLU argument too. Precious. 
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The National Guard is an ARMY and not a Militia. Any reference to the NG as a Militia is incorrect.Therefore, the entire argument the Brady's make is based on a false asumption. When I was NG, My uniform said "US ARMY" over the pocket, not "WV Militia". My equipment was federal and my pay was from the feds except for rare state duties. |
Excellent point. All the armed forces pay and equipment funding comes from DoD budget, correct? Man, that right there is enough to squash that whole stupid page of arguments by the Brady Bunch. Thanks for the help and for serving HM. |
On the NG thing, they are not and never will be the militia spoken of in the constitution. They are under the control of the state until such time as uncle sam deems thier service nessesary, than they are uncle sams. |
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Besides the NG getting all thier funding from the federal govt... US vs Miller et al (1939) was the first Supreme Court ruling about the Gun Control Act of 1934. It said (basically) Miller couldn't have a sawed off shotgun, and that this wasn't a violation of the 2nd amendment because the military doesn't use them, so they (sawed offs) aren't required for a militia.
The opinions of the court are where it gets interesting though.
Now, would you think an AR15 or M1 would have a reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia? I would  Finally the good parts
Basically the opinion of the court was that you should own an AR15 and be ready to use it. |
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The Supreme Court ruled that federal has precidence over state control during the civil rights era. Gov Wallace of Alabama refused to allow the guard to force de-segregation. The case went to SCOTUS and Wallace lost. National Guard works for the feds when it comes down to it. Sylvan MAJ, Alaska Army National Guard. |
Shit you want funnier I was looking for some stuf on 922(0) and found a semi-recent case from I believe the 10th court of appeals in which the justices said that Machineguns have no reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia. It's funny they ban the guns most resonable and leave the ones that are the least likely or reasonable. I'll try to find the court case again. Here is the case, it's from the 8th court of appeals not the 10th
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You might pass on to them that the 2nd Amendment was ratifed in 1787, and many people think it is talking about the National Guard which was created 130 years later in 1917. Just to freak them out ask them what we had for that 130 years to augment the standing military It really screws up there mind even more. |
Heck for quite a while we did not have a standing army. That was what the militia was for! Planerench out. 
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