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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The AK-103: essentially an AK-74M chambered in 7.62x39 (Page 1 of 2)

Posted: 11/10/2019 7:57:34 PM EDT

While these haven't set the world on fire like their predecessors these have gotten around.

Venezuela, Libya, Syria for sure.

Seeing them on TV during the Libyan Civil War in 2011 caused me to eventually buy an Arsenal SGL-21 which was the closest you could get in the US to one.

The 74 style muzzle brake does some work on these. The recoil reduction is noticeable with the brake.

I really wish we could still get something like this here. Arsenal brought in the Bulgarian SLR after the Russian arms ban signed by Obama in 2013 but currently isn't bringing in any in a figuration like this.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:04:43 PM EDT

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PSA makes a sidefolding GF3.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:05:59 PM EDT

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My Arsenal is in 5.45x39. I have lots of ARs but I keep this in the bedroom for when the crackheads break in to steal my stash. Surprise beotch!

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Posted: 11/10/2019 8:07:28 PM EDT

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Gross

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:13:32 PM EDT

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I saw new production AK103s carried by soldiers in Egypt on several occasions, and brand spanking new Scorpion Evos with the police

The AK100 series rifles aren't like the AK74M, they ARE the 74M - in different calibers. It would be beyond cool to get an AK104 in 6.5g, or even an AKSU. Damn, that would be tits

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:13:41 PM EDT

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Thinking the AK103 is the platform that Saiga sporters are built on.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:15:47 PM EDT

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They are extremely similar yes. The sporters are built a little different than the 74M or AK103, but close

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:18:43 PM EDT

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What's the difference between the AK-103 and the SLR-107FR?

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Posted: 11/10/2019 8:24:26 PM EDT

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What's the difference between the AK-103 and the SLR-107FR?

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/249712/Arsenal_SLR-107FR_7_62x39mm___2b__jpg-1156596.JPG

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Functionally nothing. Same caliber, same accuracy

Mechanically the SLR series are AKM pattern rifles but chambered in various calibers. The Russian AKM and the AK74 are actually different evolutions of the AK, and branched away from each other. They all function similarly, but the construction methods are different

The SLR series rifles are built on original Russian tooling from the early 80s. The Russians modernized their own tooling but the Bulgarians never bothered

https://russianoptics.net/AK74Overview.html

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:25:24 PM EDT

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I saw new production AK103s carried by soldiers in Egypt on several occasions, and brand spanking new Scorpion Evos with the police

The AK100 series rifles aren't like the AK74M, they ARE the 74M - in different calibers. It would be beyond cool to get an AK104 in 6.5g, or even an AKSU. Damn, that would be tits

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Posted: 11/10/2019 8:26:06 PM EDT

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What's the difference between the AK-103 and the SLR-107FR?

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it will fit in a bathroom sized garbage can? because of the folder....

because its the trash can rifle

going back to cat meme thread...

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:26:17 PM EDT

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I want an Arsenal, but it's been a slow learning process for myself.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:26:34 PM EDT

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TO THE TITS I SAYS!!!!!

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:29:48 PM EDT

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Functionally nothing. Same caliber, same accuracy

Mechanically the SLR series are AKM pattern rifles but chambered in various calibers. The Russian AKM and the AK74 are actually different evolutions of the AK, and branched away from each other. They all function similarly, but the construction methods are different

The SLR series rifles are built on original Russian tooling from the early 80s. The Russians modernized their own tooling but the Bulgarians never bothered

https://russianoptics.net/AK74Overview.html

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Thank you for the information.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:33:07 PM EDT

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Barrel isn’t chrome lines nor is it CHF. I believe PSA will get there but they aren’t all the way there yet.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:35:17 PM EDT

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They are extremely similar yes. The sporters are built a little different than the 74M or AK103, but close

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Thinking the AK103 is the platform that Saiga sporters are built on.

They are extremely similar yes. The sporters are built a little different than the 74M or AK103, but close

I just sold a Saiga 7.62 with the 100 series front installed from Izhmash. I converted to buttstock and pistolgrip.
It was close enough to an AK103 for my plinking purposes. Ymmv.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:38:38 PM EDT

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Top one is an Arsenal in 7.62x39. Nice gun.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:40:52 PM EDT

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They are nice...………….I got out of AKs and sold my last one, but they are worth the money

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:43:42 PM EDT

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My first AK was an SGL-31 and then later got the SGL-21 to complete the set. The brake most definitely tames the felt recoil without having an excessive, annoying side blast that most other brakes do. I like mine so much I even got the pricey AK-103 mags to go along with it and use them all the time. Both also sport the same Holosun 503GU red dot and RS Regulate mounts. Never any issues with either rifle and setup.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:45:17 PM EDT

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Had a legit Saiga AK-103 clone. Sold it years ago.
Don’t miss it

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:47:27 PM EDT

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I just sold a Saiga 7.62 with the 100 series front installed from Izhmash. I converted to buttstock and pistolgrip.
It was close enough to an AK103 for my plinking purposes. Ymmv.

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There are a few different models of the Saiga 7.62x39 itself - some are very close to the AK-103 and clearly came off of the same production lines, to the point that some have been observed coming in with scrubbed Russian military acceptance proofs on the receiver, and some even came in with drilled third pin holes that were riveted shut from the factory and somehow got imported successfully before being recalled by the ATF.

There are some others that came in with slab side receivers lacking dimples, or heavier/longer profile barrels, or pinned barrel components - things that are typically not seen on 74M series variants and yet made it onto the Saiga sporters.

It's splitting hairs at some point, but really the closest thing to the 103 to come into the US have been the folding stock SGL-21 models which are pretty rare at this point.

All of the Saigas are based more or less on 74M series design elements otherwise - certain features are unique to the 74M series, like the replaceable camming pin, press-dimpled (vs pinned) barrel components, etc. You could spend all day going over which parts are "correct" and which are not.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:48:52 PM EDT

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They are nice...………….I got out of AKs and sold my last one, but they are worth the money

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And here my dumbass is just really getting into AKs when they've gone full retard in price

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:50:23 PM EDT

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I saw new production AK103s carried by soldiers in Egypt on several occasions, and brand spanking new Scorpion Evos with the police

The AK100 series rifles aren't like the AK74M, they ARE the 74M - in different calibers. It would be beyond cool to get an AK104 in 6.5g, or even an AKSU. Damn, that would be tits

https://zenphotos.net/ZenPhotos/File/Online/SVD/optics/1P87MagPBS-1_AK103_AuzieRight01.jpg

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An AK 100 series in 6.5 would be amazing

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:50:35 PM EDT

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I have an SLR107FR, it has the triangle side folder, with a plum grip and handguards.

I’ve actually considered modernizing it a bit, but haven’t gotten around to it. I really wish there were plum bakelite mags in 7.62.

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Posted: 11/10/2019 8:51:19 PM EDT

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I will always curse that I was too young to buy one when SGL21 and 31s were cheap and plentiful

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:51:45 PM EDT

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My Arsenal is in 5.45x39. I have lots of ARs but I keep this in the bedroom for when the crackheads break in. Surprise!

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I’d have an AK74 if they were reasonably priced.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:54:41 PM EDT

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The Saigas and SGLs are built differently than the real military versions. The most modern AK-100 platforms have no block pins, they are dimpled onto the barrel. Pretty sure the feed block is different as well. But they are very close.

Posted: 11/10/2019 8:57:18 PM EDT

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@TX-Zen it's your fault I bought a SGL-31 in 5.45 in 2010

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:06:39 PM EDT

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At least I can take consolation knowing you got a decent price back then

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:22:35 PM EDT

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To me the Yugo (Serbs) build a better AK. Love my M90NP in 5.56mm. Adjustable gas settings, uses AR mags, chrome lined 1/8 heavy profile barrel, RPK receiver, and great quality.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:28:24 PM EDT

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@TX-Zen it's your fault I bought a SGL-31 in 5.45 in 2010

At least I can take consolation knowing you got a decent price back then

You ain't kidding, same with the SGL-21 I bought in 2012

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:29:07 PM EDT

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To me the Yugo (Serbs) build a better AK. Love my M90NP in 5.56mm. Adjustable gas settings, uses AR mags, chrome lined 1/8 heavy profile barrel, RPK receiver, and great quality.

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I wish they still made those

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:31:58 PM EDT

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To me the Yugo (Serbs) build a better AK. Love my M90NP in 5.56mm. Adjustable gas settings, uses AR mags, chrome lined 1/8 heavy profile barrel, RPK receiver, and great quality.

I wish they still made those

They do. The Serbs will build anything you want just need to make a business model for it

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:32:10 PM EDT

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And here my dumbass is just really getting into AKs when they've gone full retard in price

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They are nice...………….I got out of AKs and sold my last one, but they are worth the money

And here my dumbass is just really getting into AKs when they've gone full retard in price

There are deals out there...…………..

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:33:32 PM EDT

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I confess: I wish I bought these 5.45 & cases of ammo when it was stoopid-cheap. I have 7.62x39, but 5.45 is more funner.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:35:18 PM EDT

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sweet.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:41:00 PM EDT

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True, but I think missed the salad days of AKs

I'm used to it though, as I missed the boat on USGI carbines as well.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:42:07 PM EDT

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What's more fun about a 5.45 AK?

Gotta be honest, my UF 7.62 with just a slant brake will hurt your damn cheek and shoulder after a few mags it seems.

Maybe it's the recoil thing you guys are talking about. Never shot a 5.45 AK

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:42:36 PM EDT

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To me the Yugo (Serbs) build a better AK. Love my M90NP in 5.56mm. Adjustable gas settings, uses AR mags, chrome lined 1/8 heavy profile barrel, RPK receiver, and great quality.

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For some dumb reason it seems like the Yugo's only chrome lined their 5.56 rifles and not their 7.62x39 rifles that used their corrosive ammo.

That is really the only reason I never liked the Yugo rifles.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:44:14 PM EDT

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Yuck. Even the winner of the Special Olympics is still special.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:44:57 PM EDT

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The Saigas and SGLs are built differently than the real military versions. The most modern AK-100 platforms have no block pins, they are dimpled onto the barrel. Pretty sure the feed block is different as well. But they are very close.

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Many of the Saiga sporters have the above features.

Some have the machining step for a feed ramp applied to the trunnion, some don't. Those are referred to as square/round trunnions respectively.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:45:20 PM EDT

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What's more fun about a 5.45 AK?

Gotta be honest, my UF 7.62 with just a slant brake will hurt your damn cheek and shoulder after a few mags it seems.

Maybe it's the recoil thing you guys are talking about. Never shot a 5.45 AK

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While I haven't shot a full size 5.45 AK, my 5.45 krink shoots rather smoothly compared to my M92. So I'd imagine a full size 5.45 is really smooth shooting.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:46:24 PM EDT

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To me the Yugo (Serbs) build a better AK. Love my M90NP in 5.56mm. Adjustable gas settings, uses AR mags, chrome lined 1/8 heavy profile barrel, RPK receiver, and great quality.

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Yes IMO Zastava AKs have more of an old world European level of build quality and remind me of early 20th century German manufactured arms - e.g. many of the individual parts are still labeled during assembly by hand electropencil, have deep bluing, etc.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:47:21 PM EDT

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While I haven't shot a full size 5.45 AK, my 5.45 krink shoots rather smoothly compared to my M92. So I'd imagine a full size 5.45 is really smooth shooting.

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10-4....thanks.

Figured it must be something to do with recoil.

Posted: 11/10/2019 9:49:56 PM EDT

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Figured it must be something to do with recoil.

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While I haven't shot a full size 5.45 AK, my 5.45 krink shoots rather smoothly compared to my M92. So I'd imagine a full size 5.45 is really smooth shooting.

10-4....thanks.

Figured it must be something to do with recoil.

Yep...………...I had a Polish Tantal awhile back and recoil was a definite plus over the 7.62

Posted: 11/10/2019 10:16:18 PM EDT

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Damn I want one of those.

I wish Arsenal would make some and ship them here. Any of the SLRs in 762 or 545 would be great, or 74s. I'd take either.

If not, hopefully PSA will get the message and start pumping out some 74 clones or SLR clones.

Posted: 11/10/2019 10:26:25 PM EDT

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I remember buying a non-used complete poly folder set in 2010, then buying an SGL-31 specifically to send to have it installed.

Then the SGL with the side folder was introduced by Arsenal several months later.

No regrets though!

By the way, thanks TX-Zen for all your years of hard work and also for the correct bakelite PG you sent me when I got my Krink!

Posted: 11/10/2019 10:35:34 PM EDT

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I like mine
Lucked out on the SGL. Couldn't pass it up when they blew them out for $500. Never wound up shooting it. Most likely never will since I have the Bulgy

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Posted: 11/10/2019 10:49:35 PM EDT

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While I haven't shot a full size 5.45 AK, my 5.45 krink shoots rather smoothly compared to my M92. So I'd imagine a full size 5.45 is really smooth shooting.

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What's more fun about a 5.45 AK?

Gotta be honest, my UF 7.62 with just a slant brake will hurt your damn cheek and shoulder after a few mags it seems.

Maybe it's the recoil thing you guys are talking about. Never shot a 5.45 AK

While I haven't shot a full size 5.45 AK, my 5.45 krink shoots rather smoothly compared to my M92. So I'd imagine a full size 5.45 is really smooth shooting.

My AK105 is the smoothest shooting gun I own, except for the CZ455 in 22lr. It's easily smoother than any AR I own - maybe the PredatAR is tied

Posted: 11/10/2019 10:52:09 PM EDT

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By the way, thanks TX-Zen for all your years of hard work and also for the correct bakelite PG you sent me when I got my Krink!

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I remember that

It just seemed like the right thing to do because that was a damn nice AKSU. Glad you got some use out of it

Posted: 11/10/2019 11:04:50 PM EDT

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What action am I being directed to here?

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