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View Quote *sweetly* "It's a true testament to what kind of person he was" Camera cuts immediately to her junkie-abuser boyfriend clubbing Kyle on the ground with the skateboard he brought to threaten & attack others with A true testament, indeed, LOL Media is having a hell of a hard time spinning this one, but it's just so damn newsworthy they can't just ignore it, either |
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Quoted: I put this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3c-fp-U2ik And gif: https://drandalls.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/ken24.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is an excellent post. I was watching the streams as this went down, so it helps clarify what was very confusing at the beginning (though it became more clear as more angles were played). One thing I wanted to mention is that I seem to remember hearing people multiple scream "cameras down" at some point, possibly right before the assault on Kyle and the shooting. If my recollection as to this is correct, this would go to show the premeditation of the attack and that it was coordinated. I did not see this mentioned in your account. The stream I remember hearing this in was not from a camera directly in the gas station, but maybe 100 feet out from it. If I am correct, this would be a VERY important issue. If anyone has video with this audio in it I would very much like to be pointed to a copy. Quoted: Found the video. This is where you see Kyle bolt because of ginger midget.
"Get him, get him, get him! [inaudible]" Wonder if Kyle was singled out. Should be interesting to hear why they wanted to "Get him, get him, get him!"
@Austrian I put this on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3c-fp-U2ik And gif: https://drandalls.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/ken24.gif Pedo clearly lunged at him at the start of the bolt/run |
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Quoted: Donut Operator has footage of Kyle apparently putting out a literal dumpster fire earlier. May have contributed to their wanting to attack him? @Austrian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts43EskooaA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts43EskooaA View Quote It was not Kyle putting out the fire. Donut Operator got that wrong. See near the bottom of page 13 for screen shots from another video that clearly show someone else putting out the fire and one of Kyle running the fire extinguisher over to them. |
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Quoted: just editing the junk and locking out the distractors and derailers. Don't quote them and give them attention please. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: And this one too. just editing the junk and locking out the distractors and derailers. Don't quote them and give them attention please. Ok |
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Quoted: 3-6 We know that the "crush them" mindset is the largest path to failure. What's the path to victory? FM 3-24 chapter 3 provides clues "Understanding Culture", "Assessing a Cultural Situation", and "Organizing to Understand Culture". In other words: We have to understand the protesters from THEIR POINTS OF VIEW before we can help to deescalate and stabilize the area/situation. I'm not seeing this from the traditional gun community. What I am seeing, however, is the repetition of memes: Kill commies! It's Soros! BLM is paying people! ANTIFA are terrorists! I can take out 6 of 'them' with one shot from my .50 BMG! Us Vs. Them. As if we weren't talking about our brother and sister citizens... Blah blah blah - lots of words. WTF's this got to do with the 'Kenosha Kid'? Everything. 1. Why did Rittenhouse's parents let him travel 45 miles up the road, 'borrow' a rifle, and 'protect' a boarded up business? a. What was the point of his 'mission', considering the place was boarded up and the owner presumably had INSURANCE? b. Where were the police? If it was important to protect these pieces of 'obviously' critical infrastructure, why weren't the folks being paid $30,610,391 in 2020 (4) deployed (or supported by other towns, county, state, or Guard troops) to protect these locations? The obvious answer is because they are not actually 'critical infrastructure' and because no building or window or car or other piece of property is worth risking, harming, or taking a human life. (For anyone that questions this, I highly recommend spending some quality time with Massad Ayoob in at least a MAG20 classroom, where he covers this in intense detail. If you're going to schedule the -20, go for the full MAG40 as the range time is excellent and a ton of fun!) (As an aside - someone should reach out to Massad Ayoob. If he doesn't help with the case, that should tell us something really important.) View Quote Lame |
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Quoted: The girlfriend of the skateboard vigilante speaks out about his failed attempt at playing cop. That's what they claim, isn't it? He was trying to commit street justice against the shooter. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: The girlfriend of the skateboard vigilante speaks out about his failed attempt at playing cop. That's what they claim, isn't it? He was trying to commit street justice against the shooter. But I thought they were saying vigilantism was wrong, and Kyle was a vigilante (necessarily going after a criminal, by that definition)? Which is it, lol? |
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Quoted: They are referring to a different Kyle, R. born in 1989. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: We've been asked on Twitter a few times to respond to rumors that Kyle had a criminal record prior to the incident. We recall seeing something about that posted by leftists a couple of days ago - does anyone have information to either confirm or debunk that allegation? It shouldn't matter given what happened, obviously, but in the interest of gathering all relevant data that may be used to discredit him we need to make sure we have all the facts. They are referring to a different Kyle, R. born in 1989. Yep... this is the Kyle Rittenhouse that has the criminal record/charges dating back to 2016 when our Kyle would have been 13 at the time... Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File https://twitter.com/AlexanderODoran/status/1298950520753750016 A person would have to be pretty fucking dense to think that some 17 year old kid that worshiped law enforcement would even be remotely guilty of any of those crimes listed.... never mind the fact that any crimes committed by a juvenile wouldn't be public record. |
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Quoted: Yep... this is the Kyle Rittenhouse that has the criminal record/charges dating back to 2016 when our Kyle would have been 13 at the time... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/FOM2eFn_png-1568779.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/EgbMlrxWkAAGgw5_jpg-1568807.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/EgbMmjFXgAEP989_jpg-1568809.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/EgbMmHYX0AIMZeB_jpg-1568810.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/EgbMnD-WAAAjh_d_jpg-1568812.JPG https://twitter.com/AlexanderODoran/status/1298950520753750016 A person would have to be pretty fucking dense to think that some 17 year old kid that worshiped law enforcement would even be remotely guilty of any of those crimes listed.... never mind the fact that any crimes committed by a juvenile wouldn't be public record. View Quote I agree but... We are talking about people who get their news from cnn, msnbc, google, the view etc. AKA VERY fucking dense |
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Great Post ! I saw the entire overlapped video . I wish you commentary could have been added to the video.
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View Quote Was it the dude in the black hoodie and red bandanna? |
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Thank you - we suspected as much, but hadn't seen it anywhere in a while. Which is usually the reason why.
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Quoted: 3-6 We know that the "crush them" mindset is the largest path to failure. What's the path to victory? FM 3-24 chapter 3 provides clues "Understanding Culture", "Assessing a Cultural Situation", and "Organizing to Understand Culture". In other words: We have to understand the protesters from THEIR POINTS OF VIEW before we can help to deescalate and stabilize the area/situation. I'm not seeing this from the traditional gun community. What I am seeing, however, is the repetition of memes: Kill commies! It's Soros! BLM is paying people! ANTIFA are terrorists! I can take out 6 of 'them' with one shot from my .50 BMG! Us Vs. Them. As if we weren't talking about our brother and sister citizens... Blah blah blah - lots of words. WTF's this got to do with the 'Kenosha Kid'? Everything. 1. Why did Rittenhouse's parents let him travel 45 miles up the road, 'borrow' a rifle, and 'protect' a boarded up business? a. What was the point of his 'mission', considering the place was boarded up and the owner presumably had INSURANCE? b. Where were the police? If it was important to protect these pieces of 'obviously' critical infrastructure, why weren't the folks being paid $30,610,391 in 2020 (4) deployed (or supported by other towns, county, state, or Guard troops) to protect these locations? The obvious answer is because they are not actually 'critical infrastructure' and because no building or window or car or other piece of property is worth risking, harming, or taking a human life. (For anyone that questions this, I highly recommend spending some quality time with Massad Ayoob in at least a MAG20 classroom, where he covers this in intense detail. If you're going to schedule the -20, go for the full MAG40 as the range time is excellent and a ton of fun!) (As an aside - someone should reach out to Massad Ayoob. If he doesn't help with the case, that should tell us something really important.) View Quote I appreciate the interest, but my analysis was focused on tactical and legal elements of the incidents. While the legal side might find some relevance in the intent behind his traveling half an hour from home, the areas I focused on make this particular line of your discussion irrelevant. I also have to add that much of your discourse suggests you have not seen (or have chosen to unsee) the wealth of video available of the evening in question. One does not ask of a sexual assault victim at a night club "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen at the 'Epstein Lounge' after 1am?" Does one? |
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Quoted: I agree but... We are talking about people who get their news from cnn, msnbc, google, the view etc. AKA VERY fucking dense View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: I agree but... We are talking about people who get their news from cnn, msnbc, google, the view etc. AKA VERY fucking dense Quoted: Thank you - we suspected as much, but hadn't seen it anywhere in a while. Which is usually the reason why. LOL... this guy is either off his meds or over trolling. Attached File — Alexander O'Doran (@AlexanderODoran) August 28, 2020 |
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Darwin in action. Attack a guy carrying a rifle by trying to hit him with a skateboard.
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That is crazier than anything I've ever heard uttered by the likes of Alex Jones. That's heading deep into David Icke territory.
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Quoted: *sweetly* "It's a true testament to what kind of person he was" Camera cuts immediately to her junkie-abuser boyfriend clubbing Kyle on the ground with the skateboard he brought to threaten & attack others with A true testament, indeed, LOL Media is having a hell of a hard time spinning this one, but it's just so damn newsworthy they can't just ignore it, either View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: *sweetly* "It's a true testament to what kind of person he was" Camera cuts immediately to her junkie-abuser boyfriend clubbing Kyle on the ground with the skateboard he brought to threaten & attack others with A true testament, indeed, LOL Media is having a hell of a hard time spinning this one, but it's just so damn newsworthy they can't just ignore it, either every shooting going back to mcdonalds in 1982 should be re-reviewed for every lie the media told. Most would see mass shooters with a democrat voting record. |
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MAFIA Style HIT Put on Kyle Rittenhouse by Jailhouse Lawyers Speak, a PRISON Group Funded by ActBlue |
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I posted this elsewhere - it confirms the legal analysis of the "dangerous weapon" possession charge, but notice that someone who is 16 years of age or older can indeed possess a SBR/SBS so long as it complies with NFA/'68 GCA: So I am accredited in WI to teach CCW and am embarrassed that I didn't know the answer to this, but after a deep dive, here is my best (professional, but NOT legal) opinion on possession of a long gun by someone who is under that age of 18 in Wisconsin: WI Stat. 948.60 governs possession of a "dangerous weapon" by a person under 18 years of age. "Dangerous Weapon" is defined elsewhere in the statutes, and includes a rifle or shotgun. Sec. 948.60(3)(c) indicates that the prohibition on possession of a dangerous weapon by those under 18 years of age does not apply unless they are in violation of the specific statutes: 1) Sec 941.28 is the prohibition on possession (by anyone) of a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun, UNLESS certain conditions apply, including compliance with NFA/GCA (i.e. if it is papered and tax-paid you're GTG). This exemption is how I am able to legally possess an SBR in WI. 2) Sec. 29.304 details possession by those who are under the age of 16 during hunting activities. It does not apply to persons aged 16-17. 3) 29.593 is a prohibition on hunting activities by those who have not completed a hunter safety class. Because this, like use of deadly force, is a blanket prohibition, affirmative defense doctrine applies for criminal complaints. So even though it is included in the criminal complaint, Kyle's attorney must only show the following: 1) The rifle he possessed was not an unregistered short barreled rifle, 2) He was aged 16 years or older at the time of infraction, and 3) he was not engaged in hunting activities having not completed a hunter safety course. Since WI does not currently have a hunting season for Communists, I can't possibly see how there is an infraction here. Also, I'd like to point out that under IL law anyone over the age of 14 can possess a long gun ("not easily concealed" so I think it is safe to say no SBR/SBS as well as handguns) with a valid FOID card, which you can get at any age and it is highly likely Kyle had one. Given he was legal to possess in IL, and in WI, he could travel over state lines without running afoul the law. Also, there is no law that would preclude transfer of a rifle to Kyle in either IL or WI since he is legally able to possess either place. I may seek clarification through my legislators from the Legislative Reference Bureau, but right now I can find no case law or statutory references to the contrary of what I've posted here. View Quote |
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Is Wi a stand your ground state? Or just open carry? I know Fla has a stand your ground law.
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In both shootings, there were two people involved, one unarmed, who was the lead guy
whose job it was to grab the barrel of the weapon while the other guy comes in from behind with a firearm to shoot the guy with the rifle. This is obviously a technique they thought would work, and it may very well have without the incorporation of a sling. Both times the first guy got shot. 2nd time the guy behind him with a gun got shot. In the first shooting, looks like porn star may have been the one to actually shoot Pedo in the back. Kind of looks like he went down with the hip shot but the rest of the rifle shots were grazing wounds due to Pedo's grip on the barrel. Another unconfirmed rumor is that all of these people were involved in a motorcycle gang together. Organized crime that may have played a major part in the 'orchestration of these events, all the way back to the first riots breaking out in the twin cities. |
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I think this video is relevant when talking about the legalities of what happened. After shooting Pedo, kyle is running to the police and happens to run by Mr.Bicep who was livestreaming. The two exchanged words and that helps us know what each of them was thinking in the minute leading up to the 2nd incident.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-offical-Kyle-Rittenhouse-thread-fund-raiser-link-in-OP-/5-2362752/?page=30#i87444506 My takeaway is that 1, kyle was headed directly for the police. Do not stop. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200. He was running to the police to get help. Second takeaway is that Mr.Bicep didn't know who had been shot. He wasn't pissed off or avenging his friend. He (very stupidly) let the mob and herd mentality take over. One minute he's minding his own business, next minute the mob has convinced him that he needs to stop this guy with a gun. From kyle's perspective, it doesnt matter. People chasing you, yelling at you, attacking you, and one of them has a gun, its still a clean shoot. I'm not sure what to think about Mr.Bicep's perspective. A bunch of people chasing a guy, saying he shot somebody, telling you to stop him, and you have your glock sitting in a holster behind your back. He made his decision. I counted 45 steps. From the time he heard that klye had shot somebody and they exchanged words, and kyle said "i'm going to get the police". It was 45 steps later and then his bicep was blown off and he's screaming for a MEDIC!!!! Its easy to play monday morning quarterback now and say he made the wrong choice. But I do think he was in a bit of a tough spot. He does get credit for acting, I guess. |
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There is a video on Instagram on the "MrGunsGear" page which is clearly taken from the cell phone of the 'brown haired backpack girl' that was originally suspected to be in league with 'camo pants hobo' Alex Blaine:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEcoZ5gpUqL/ His red haired crackwhore girlfriend is visible throughout, and so is he. It's a great angle of him with the handgun and it shows all of them in close proximity to, if not working with, Pedo Rosenbaum. |
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You're probably right - in fact, there's a possibility that Huber wasn't really avenging anyone either. It's possible, but it's also possible they fell into the herd mentality of "stop that man with the gun".
Situational awareness would have saved his life, and Lefty's bicep. If you don't know the whole situation, better to err on the side of self preservation. Also - don't hang out at riots. |
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Long video of the riots in general.
Bookmark at 3:58:40 is just before the first chase starts. As the camera pans back and forth, you start to see people running. I didn't see them running in the first pan. But then I just read the charges, and it makes sense now why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss-G-FX3Nys&bpctr=1598746920 "Detective Cepress interviewed McGinnis and indicates the following: Before the shooting, McGinnis was interviewing the defendant. The defendant told McGinnis that he was a trained medic. McGinnis stated that he (McGinnis) has handled many ARs and that the defendant was not handling the weapon very well. McGinnis said that as they were walking south another armed male who appeared to be in his 30s joined them and said he was there to protect the defendant. McGinnis stated that before the defendant reached the parking lot and ran across it, the defendant had moved from the middle of Sheridan Road to the sidewalk and that is when McGinnis saw a male (Rosenbaum) initially try to engage the defendant. McGinnis stated that as the defendant was walking Rosenbaum was trying to get closer to the defendant. When Rosenbaum advanced, the defendant did a “juke” move and started running. McGinnis stated that there were other people that were moving very quickly. McGinnis stated that they were moving towards the defendant. McGinnis said that according to what he saw the defendant was trying to evade these individuals. " Edit: nice link to the complaints that's easy to copy. Now combine it with this video that someone else took of the gas station confrontation. It shows Kyle at several points being a medic and trying to help people. It also shows an agitated Rosenbaum. Included is a comment said off camera "we should jack them and take their guns". Too tired to confirm if its actually Rosenbaum that said it or not. But worth exploring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojfGWZwHg0 Points of interest below taken from the youtube comments section, and [my own]. I'm sure others will pick out other things 1:30 bullet whizzes by; that was close 6:40 DON'T TOUCH OUR BURNING TRASH!!!1! 8:50 holy shit a new angle, solid proof Kyle was not there to cause harm [Kyle seeking out and treating an injured protester] 9:20 Kyle - "I am an EMT, if you are injured come to me." 9:49. first shooter, 9:52 camera pans through first shooters tagalong. 21:25 Dont forget 21:25 when Nostradamus predicts the skateboarder gets shot 23:09 spots maga hat 23:25 main characters enter stage and embrace [also:] From 23:25 you can see that 36-year-old Rosenbaum is agitating and trying to start a conflict with Kyle 17. Kyle sensing the tension tries to retreat, while Rosenbaum is still trying to escalate and start a conflict with the 17-year-old. 23:49 is the first instance of brandishing (brandishing is not having your rifle slung around your neck, in front of your chest), you can clearly see in the frame, the tall homeless who shot at Kyle is WIELDING his pistol, you'll see him again at 24:14 approaching the confrontation that you tried de-escalating, once more at 24:40 And at 26:10 you'll see the black man in the blue shirt wield his pistol, chamber a round, and threaten the folks on the sidewalk. That is clear menacing. 24:06 random guy with a gun. [another comment] "That guy is a suspect and we must urge the video maker to cooperate with Law Enforcement. She was near him for a large portion of the video. He fired off shots near Kyle as the Red Shirt maniac was chasing him. Those two elements are why Kyle defended himself. Kyle likely didn't know where the shots came from, other than they were right next to him." 26:08 cocks the glock 25:00 Why were the "peaceful protestors" attacking, threatening, and pulling pistols out over people trying to put out a dumpster fire? 25:53 guy who throws traffic cone is armed with large fixed blade knife in left hand 26:00 [video of Kyle in the background shows up, helping to control a fire.] 26:10 They were extinguishing the dumpster fire, whats with that reaction. 26:34 the guy with red mask and red shoes seems to say "Jack em and take their guns, that's what I say". [speculative, need to confirm] 26:55 - Rosenbaum, carrying his bag, can be seen rushing to join those escorting the dumpster away from the gas station toward the courthouse. 26:57 "burn the police station! don't burn the city! This is our home!" 27:48 - Rittenhouse is briefly visible walking between the pumps at the gas station. 29:43, rioters and camera turn back towards north and pass the area that we last left kyle at in the alcove of some boarded up business (9:20) where he was acting as an emt for some hurt rioter. you can hear kyle say "if anyone needs medical..." proving he was still helping folks at this point. 30:00 ish the police show up and all the sudden they start pretending to protest, start chanting? 32:43 - Rosenbaum (carrying bag, shirt still on) is visible across the street from the camera, hovering around the dumpster. |
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Quoted: Someone said "jack him and take that gun. Thats what I say" Was it the dude in the black hoodie and red bandanna? View Quote RE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojfGWZwHg0 Camo pants guy and red haired girl are in that video at that time with the dumpster fire too. ETA: Kyle appears in the video helping a woman. Here is a rundown in one of the YT comments: Matthew G. 1 day ago So what we have here: 07:18 - Burned down vehicles, presumably from the night before. 08:50 - Kyle Rittenhouse comes into frame stating he is an EMT and is assisting the protestors with medical. Looks like maybe woman was shot with less than lethal police rounds? 11:22 - Showing the overall scene and location of people. 11:38 - Police start to move in and fire tear gas it looks like 12:26 - Police are forcing a large amount of people to a smaller area they are now all congregating at this gas station and major intersection. 14:10 - You can see that the scene is still relatively peaceful. Protestors and Militia in close proximity to each other. 14:46 - BLM Protestor stating they are lucky he doesn't have a gun because he swears to god he'll smoke their ass. Likely referring to the Police. 15:10 - The person videoing commenting on everyone mingling together now. 22:04 - BLM Protestor screaming at and instigating the Militia Group who to this point have done nothing but exercise their right to carry. 22:55 - Tensions are starting to rise, confrontations between protestors and militia rise. 23:18 - Someone can be heard screaming "everyone with a fucking gun.." and I can't make out the rest. Shortly after you hear a loud pop that sounds like a gun shot but no one reacts like it was. 23:26 - Joseph Rosenbaum convicted sex offender, makes his debut and begins antagonizing. 23:40 - Person in the background says that Kyle ran off, and is inciting violence towards him. [is this correct though?] 24:00 - Joseph Rosenbaum refuses to listen to anyone and is attempting to break through the militia to chase Kyle. [is this correct though?] 24:10 - Man in camo pants can be see brandishing his pistol. This pistol is not holstered. 24:40 - 2020's National Mascot Parades down the street. 25:28 - Militia closes lid on dumpster fire. 25:46 - Protestors still screaming profanities and hurling insults at militia group. To this point I have not heard any aggression come from this militia group. They have been trying to keep the peace. 25:53 - BLM Protestor picks up safety cone and hurls it towards militia group because they are unhappy they are trying to put out their peaceful destruction of property. 26:00 - BLM Protestors now yelling "what the fuck are you gonna do?" 26:05 - BLM Protestor that threw the cone is now spear chucking a sign with a pointed end towards militia group. 26:09 - BLM Protestor in blue shirt chambers a round into his pistol after the other BLM Protestor just assaulted people with a cone and pointed sign. 26:34 - BLM Protestor saying "jack em and take they guns" inciting violence, while some BLM Protestors have been consistently trying to de-escalate the situation throughout. 26:45 - They are taking the dumpster back to light it on fire again. Camo pants can now be seen again with pistol still in hand pushing the dumpster with BLM. 26:56 - Member with the militia can be heard repeatedly saying "burn the police station not our city" and "the government is your enemy not the citizens" "your quarrel is not with us" |
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Quoted: I appreciate the interest, but my analysis was focused on tactical and legal elements of the incidents. While the legal side might find some relevance in the intent behind his traveling half an hour from home, the areas I focused on make this particular line of your discussion irrelevant. I also have to add that much of your discourse suggests you have not seen (or have chosen to unsee) the wealth of video available of the evening in question. One does not ask of a sexual assault victim at a night club "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen at the 'Epstein Lounge' after 1am?" Does one? View Quote He's just victim blaming because it doesn't fit his worldview and guns are icky. |
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FYI this was posted in the #fightback donations thread.
Don't know if I missed it in this thread or not. Interview with another guy who was on overwatch that night (seen in the videos). Kyle was with his older brother. There is a lot of stuff that fills in some of the blanks. https://wiba.iheart.com/featured/vicki-mckenna/content/2020-08-28-walt-joins-vicki-mckenna-to-talk-about-the-kyle-rittenhouse-situation/ |
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Quoted: Long video of the riots in general. ... View Quote To my ear, it sounds like the same voice. Play the "shoot me nigga" sequence and then immediately after, the "Jack em and take their guns, that's what I say". It sounds like the same voice. Same high pitched munchkin tone, same ghetto inflection. If kyle's attorney can produce an expert witness that can match the two, or video from any of the other 50 cell phones that were rolling that actually show munchkin mouthing the words, that goes a long way on getting cleared on the first shooting. The guy was going to cause him physical hard and steal his gun. |
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A fantastic article!! Been a while since something piqued my interest like this....Thank you Austrian!!
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A fantastic article!! Been a while since something piqued my interest like this....Thank you Austrian!!
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Quoted: I'm limited to 2K characters per post. Sorry...this will be a multi-part post. 1-6 Kudos to Austrian for the first-rate info processing and analysis! While I do understand that it's tempting to narrow the scope of the analysis to the specific domain that's most interesting to the group, I think the focus on this shooting, and thus this analysis, has gotten too narrow. Just as this analysis has helped to squash the tendency of everyone to go off in 300 different directions as far as it goes, I'm hoping that expanding the scope a few notches will do the same. Going to 30,000 feet now: What is happening in many of our cities? People are in the streets. Why are people in the streets? Because they're being treated differently by police and in some cases by their cities/towns. What are the challenges they're trying to bring to light? Imbalanced policing, imbalanced prosecution and imprisonment, lack of opportunities, sub-standard education, lack of jobs, financial disparity, redlining, are just a start. Why are they marching in their own streets? Because that's where they live and that's where they must be in order to get the attention of the politicians that manage their lives. Their gathering and marching, and yes, even violating curfew or blocking the streets they pay for is protected by their 1A rights. In order to be active citizens of our country they MUST stand up and they MUST march and they MUST fight to be heard! That's a fundamental right our Founders codified in their writings. From their point of view they're already living in tyranny and our Founders made it clear what must be done, and which tree must be watered, and what should be flowing from the irritation pipe. (8) View Quote HA! A burner account revealed, I guess this event hit close to "Home" and you couldn`t help yourself. You`re not even a good LARPer, your vernacular reeks of some shitty liberal arts college. You should stick to sculpting penises on Gender-fluid snowpersons. WinterFun Inc. = http://www.usnationals.org/ |
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Quoted: He's just victim blaming because it doesn't fit his worldview and guns are icky. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I appreciate the interest, but my analysis was focused on tactical and legal elements of the incidents. While the legal side might find some relevance in the intent behind his traveling half an hour from home, the areas I focused on make this particular line of your discussion irrelevant. I also have to add that much of your discourse suggests you have not seen (or have chosen to unsee) the wealth of video available of the evening in question. One does not ask of a sexual assault victim at a night club "Well, what did you THINK was going to happen at the 'Epstein Lounge' after 1am?" Does one? He's just victim blaming because it doesn't fit his worldview and guns are icky. Conservatives and gun personalities have been falling all over themselves to say "he shouldn't have been there" as if they have no idea what this rhetoric does for anyone in a future self defense shooting. It's asinine, fucking losers. |
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Quoted: FYI this was posted in the #fightback donations thread. Don't know if I missed it in this thread or not. Interview with another guy who was on overwatch that night (seen in the videos). Kyle was with his older brother. There is a lot of stuff that fills in some of the blanks. https://wiba.iheart.com/featured/vicki-mckenna/content/2020-08-28-walt-joins-vicki-mckenna-to-talk-about-the-kyle-rittenhouse-situation/ View Quote So this guy claims to be the one who kyle called right after he shot pedo? The court docs say whoever it was kyle called was brought in as a witness to identify him in video. Is it the same guy? |
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Quoted: 4-6 2. Why did he think he needed to travel there? Why were other out of town folks, especially out of town melanin-challenged folks, there to patrol someone else's streets and perform jobs the police obviously weren't performing? That's a larger question and a much larger problem. Too many of my fellow 2A supporters have gotten caught up in or have been influenced by the same sort of 'mission creep' that's affected policing over the past few decades in the US. When I was a kid, beat cops were from the towns and neighborhoods, and they didn't carry guns. They didn't have to - nobody was going to attack their neighbor! Fiscal conservatism, the misguided mantra of 'do more with less', fighting between political factions with the citizens and towns in the middle, and the constant flow of images, stories, and people from various 'sand boxes', has created the belief in many that in order to solve problems here at home we should do the same things we did 'over there' - suit up in full battle-rattle, kick some doors, and crush them! Except, we already know from massive piles of experience (and bodies) that 'crush them' isn't a workable plan, and that it just dumps fuel on the fire. Want to keep protesters out of your neighborhood? Don't travel into someone else's and try to keep them off their own streets. 'Your' actions will not only force them into your streets, but when they come they'll not only be motivated by their years of abuse, but will also be looking for 'you'! Really bad plan. View Quote Are you familiar with TL-DR? |
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Quoted: There is a video on Instagram on the "MrGunsGear" page which is clearly taken from the cell phone of the 'brown haired backpack girl' that was originally suspected to be in league with 'camo pants hobo' Alex Blaine: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEcoZ5gpUqL/ His red haired crackwhore girlfriend is visible throughout, and so is he. It's a great angle of him with the handgun and it shows all of them in close proximity to, if not working with, Pedo Rosenbaum. View Quote Maybe I missed it but has their been any media sob stories for JoJo Pedo? I know I've seen some pop of for skateboard guy. Were PornHub Baine and his skank this guys only friends? |
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Quoted: Clearly wants to end this madness, sees the police are failing to do so, incorrectly blames the police. That same chain of thought powers much of the anti-police bile out there. Because there's more than a grain of truth to it. Like I said, I disagree, but I get it, and I think it's been demonstrated he is highly unlikely to be some "crisis actor provocateur" flitting around the nation starting fires, as was being theorized. Moving on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566894.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/17187/group_jpg-1566895.JPG I'm surprised nobody noticed skinny jeans tucked in cowboy boots guy. I recall another thread where he was prominent for being seen from coast to coast. Any info on him? ETA Also, somebody had mentioned, not sure where and I'm not trying to start shit, that there were armed people there, that he was with, that weren't necessarily patriots or on the good guys side. Like the jeans in cowboy boots guy, I could be mistaken, but I thought it was mentioned he wasn't necessarily on the good guys team. AGAIN, just throwing these questions out there, not in any way trying to say what Kyle did wasn't right. Just trying to ID the actors, because seeing the same people over and over has got to make you wonder what is really going on. And that that is somehow nefarious. It's like the notion that people opposed to riots & looting might also frequent numerous events is totally impossible. He's been seen several places ...not starting trouble. To me, that's what matters. @barnbwt @giacutter @JET55 @cm I stumbled on his instagram, he provided answers on his views. https://www.instagram.com/luke_and_some_guns/?hl=en There's some good memes on there...and that therefore means he can't be all bad, even if he is one of those ancap tards (hey, we were all dumb, once) Mostly seems like he dislikes rioters & gun laws. He's young, I want to say...early 20s? He's still lost on his views. He understands the left/antifa/blm but still supports them because of his libertarian views, he's currently an idiot. But at least he isn't a fucking liberal. Clearly wants to end this madness, sees the police are failing to do so, incorrectly blames the police. That same chain of thought powers much of the anti-police bile out there. Because there's more than a grain of truth to it. Like I said, I disagree, but I get it, and I think it's been demonstrated he is highly unlikely to be some "crisis actor provocateur" flitting around the nation starting fires, as was being theorized. Moving on. Agreed. |
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Kenosha Wisconsin Riot & Shooting: Breakdown and Lessons Learned |
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Quoted: 4Chan seems to have identified the guy who may have accidentally shot the pedo in the back. Thread over at The_Donald has some info. View Quote I've only skimmed this thread. Is it confirmed that he got shot by someone other than Kyle? So hard to keep up with everything. |
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[Edit Aug 28: Amusing aside: Interview with McGinnis by Detective Cepress: "McGinnis stated that he had handled many ARs and [Rittenhouse] was not handling the weapon very well." Based on the videos I've seen Rittenhouse is one of the best weapons handlers under pressure I've ever seen. So much for McGinnis' credibility.] Stay safe. View Quote His statemeant was in regards not to how he handled it durring the shootings but up to that point. There is a shit ton of video of Kyle prior to the shootings. And sometimes he did seem a little inexperienced in how he handled his weapon. But he sure as fuck drove the shit out of it when it mattered most. |
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