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Posted: 1/1/2023 7:23:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/1/2023 10:27:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Opened my Milt Sparks 55BN on Christmas Day and wore it for the first time with my P229 Legion Compact SAO yesterday. Sounds like a cool gun |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 7:43:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've bought a few of the Sig Romeo 5 red dots, and just acquired a Romeo MSR, quite impressed , these things are awesome for the price. They're made in China. Why wouldn't they be cheaper than Aimpoint? |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 8:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're made China. Why wouldn't they be cheaper than Aimpoint? Holosun = Chinese commie junk! Sig optics = USA USA USA(also made in China.) |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 8:18:20 AM EDT
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I hate short barreled rifles, but love SIG pistols. Not their new stuff you’re crowing about mind you.
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:00:49 AM EDT
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I'm more of a fan of their older stuff, and like them for the P22X guns mostly; I'd like to see the 556 come back (or real 55X guns), but I know it won't.
They certainly have grown a lot in the last decade; off the top of my head I can't think of another company with their own line of optics, ammunition, rifles, handguns, airsoft guns, and suppressors. I'm not a huge fan of the P320, but despite being yet another poly/striker gun the FCU design is pretty neat in the modularity it gives you, and it's nice to see other manufacturers start to adopt a similar chassis system (e.g. Beretta APX). The MCX is one of the more successful piston AR designs out there. I'm also glad that they toned down all of the the gimmicky editions of their core products more recently; there are still the legion models, but they have actual functional upgrades over the base model guns. I just hope that doesn't portend the discontinuance of the P22X line, I'm still kind of irritated with how they dropped the P239. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:09:34 AM EDT
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Sig academy is pretty kickass too.
They’re definitely not sitting around. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:26:07 AM EDT
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Can’t wait for my MPX caliber exchange kit.
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This should be good. I love my one and only Sig, a 365xl. Same - only SIG I have so far is 365XL, replaced the grip module with GrayGuns and soon to be Wilson Combat frame. I plan to get a 320 of some variant to do the same customizing, but since I'm limited to 10 rounds anyway and the mags are expensive AF I'm holding off. Kind of wish I had jumped one one of the <$400 320s a couple of years ago. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:51:03 AM EDT
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Meh, I own close to 50 Sigs, but anything since 2012/13 is mostly out. Huge fan of the P22X lines.
The pre-recall P320 actually gave me a nicely framed hole in my bedroom wall, and exited through my shower tile, so I'll say I'm not a "fan". |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 10:10:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: pretty sure you have to have a dealer account to advertise /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/hes_right_you_know-328.jpg We were wrong. There are TWO in every crowd. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 10:23:40 AM EDT
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Is hiring retired generals part of the hiring?
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Posted: 1/2/2023 11:03:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sinister  :OP, you missed SIG-SAUER USA's 7.62mm 716i rifle sales to the Indian Army -- probably the biggest 7.62mm battle rifle deals since the FAL went away. Thanks I had no idea that happened I like Sigs innovation and their ideas are really innovative, I own 0 sig products currently. I like the 226/229s but I stuck with beretta a decade ago and let them go. It is nice to talk about guns though, yes! |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 11:12:34 AM EDT
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Find who’s in charge and suck their dick. Pays big evidently.
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Posted: 1/2/2023 11:21:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2023 1:48:57 PM EDT
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I have a buncha Sig bargain stuff.. couldn't afford them back in the day when they like buying a Cadillac
The P365xl was a downright firesale with 3 mags and holster under $520 for a gun optic ready and with night sights. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 2:12:57 PM EDT
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Sig and FN moved major pieces of manufacturing here.
HK sat there, fat on government contracts at the time, and decided to not spend, and stay in Oberndorf only. Worst decision they ever made. Now their own government has essentially nationalized them. The socialist, anti-gun government can decide who HK sells to, how much they can sell, and how much money they can make. And they do. Had HK made the same move, they'd be ten times the company they are today. |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 2:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun = Chinese commie junk! Sig optics = USA USA USA(also made in China.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're made China. Why wouldn't they be cheaper than Aimpoint? Holosun = Chinese commie junk! Sig optics = USA USA USA(also made in China.) Just like "Made in USA" H-D (Made in Japan. Or is it China now?). Quoted: Sig and FN moved major pieces of manufacturing here. HK sat there, fat on government contracts at the time, and decided to not spend, and stay in Oberndorf only. Worst decision they ever made. Now their own government has essentially nationalized them. The socialist, anti-gun government can decide who HK sells to, how much they can sell, and how much money they can make. And they do. Had HK made the same move, they'd be ten times the company they are today. Definitely true. Now lessee what direction our government goes... |
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Posted: 1/2/2023 9:29:26 PM EDT
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Meh.
I’ve owned a few Tango6 optics and am overall happy with them, but outside of the LevelPlex, they were just another quality optic option with nothing really making them stand out from other options. I’d own one again at the right price but I’m not climbing over myself to get another. Sig’s quality overall has struggled a lot lately IMO, but they ARE a “legacy” brand that I hope can keep it together as they expand. I find their overwhelming success on the .gov side a little suspect, but we’ll see. I don’t trust the P320 platform, but with recent revisions that could change in time. Big, big fan of the DA/SA 22X series, though. Don’t have any right now but plan to change that in the near future. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 8:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is hiring retired generals part of the hiring? Why is hiring a retired general a bad thing? |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 9:10:33 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of 320s, 365, 226, 229, MCX, MPX, Cross and some kilo10ks so I’m an obvious sig fan but man their scopes and lpvos fuckin suck.
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Posted: 1/5/2023 9:13:00 PM EDT
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A few years ago, I would have disagreed with you. Today, in 2023? Yeah, they’ve figured out the formula that basically no one else has.
Probably the only thing I’m not a super huge fan of are their LPVOs, but outside of that, I’ve really come around to everything they’ve done. ETA: My only complaint is their optics naming convention. It is confusing as fuck deciphering what is their budget stuff and what is upper/top end, more so than Vortex, and a lot of people complain about Vortex. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 9:34:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Using the AR as a template isn't innovating. It's copypasta. LMT put out their SPEAR over a decade back, & it took SIG-USA that long to catch up. Have they fixed the P365 trigger yet? I would have agreed with this point as well a few years ago if you’re talking about the MCX. I slowly warmed up to the idea and eventually picked one up and frankly, I’m not sure what else I’d change. If their thought process is what I think it was, frankly I think it was smart as hell. It really isn’t anywhere close to a “copy” of the AR either. It may fit on a standard AR lower, but outside of some basic lower components, it shares essentially no parts compatibility with the AR-15. Frankly, I don’t know how much more different you could make it while still maintaining the ability to slap it on a AR lower (which is a pretty big selling point for larger organizations who may already have a lot of AR pattern rifles). The LMT you’re referencing is essentially an AR, though. I really hope they get some traction with the new SPEAR variant (the .308 sized one). Really the only “readily available” truly innovative design in that market segment is the SCAR, but it’s continued to go up in price and FN might as well be H&K when it comes to support of the civilian market. There are a few others, but their very low volume with just about no aftermarket and spotty parts availability. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holosun = Chinese commie junk! Sig optics = USA USA USA(also made in China.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're made China. Why wouldn't they be cheaper than Aimpoint? Holosun = Chinese commie junk! Sig optics = USA USA USA(also made in China.) computer or phone you're posting to arfcom on...China |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a bunch of 320s, 365, 226, 229, MCX, MPX, Cross and some kilo10ks so I’m an obvious sig fan but man their scopes and lpvos fuckin suck. You should give the Easy 6 BDX and the newest Tango MSRs a visit. They’ve been slowly making gains in those departments, and those are two examples of where I think it’s certainly paid off. And I’m an optics snob. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 10:53:34 PM EDT
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I don't actually have a dog in this GD purse fight about SIG but I will say this and that is that between my GF and I we really like their older handguns and we have 3. Her carry weapon (that she is very accurate with) is the P239 and I have the 226 and 229. All have them have been consistently rock solid shooters but if you really want to set off a GD purse fight I'll tell you that they are all .40cal and we both like it. And that would be like Brian and Vince fighting over the shitty tuna at Toretto 's in the fast and furious. Nobody likes the tuna there and nobody likes .40 cal either in GD. But is just what we train with and for consistency of ammo.
That being said, I got to shoot with a friend's a P365XL this summer and am almost certainly going to get one. I really enjoyed it. Also my experience with SIG customer service has been very good. I haven't had many issues but the and the ones I've had have been small but they are responsive and so I am all good with them there. I am not a huge fan of their rifle or optic products so far yet for the prices they charge given the equally good stuff from competitors we've been seeing lately but given my good experience with SIG so far I would never not look at there product seriously before making a competitive purchase decision. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should give the Easy 6 BDX and the newest Tango MSRs a visit. They’ve been slowly making gains in those departments, and those are two examples of where I think it’s certainly paid off. And I’m an optics snob. I’ve looked at those. I mean they are lower mid grade glass imo. If I’m buying a lpvo it’s a kahles or NF. For full-size my match rifles have ZCO, kahles, NF etc. I do want to try the new sig red dot when my new mcx gets here. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:31:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve looked at those. I mean they are lower mid grade glass imo. If I’m buying a lpvo it’s a kahles or NF. For full-size my match rifles have ZCO, kahles, NF etc. I do want to try the new sig red dot when my new mcx gets here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You should give the Easy 6 BDX and the newest Tango MSRs a visit. They’ve been slowly making gains in those departments, and those are two examples of where I think it’s certainly paid off. And I’m an optics snob. I’ve looked at those. I mean they are lower mid grade glass imo. If I’m buying a lpvo it’s a kahles or NF. For full-size my match rifles have ZCO, kahles, NF etc. I do want to try the new sig red dot when my new mcx gets here. Yeah, but it’s a fraction of the price of those. For a budget optic, it’s killer. |
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Posted: 1/5/2023 11:35:05 PM EDT
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Am I wrong in thinking much of their success is hiring the right retired generals and higher ups, and purely going after .gov contracts and using that and the contacts their newly paid staff knew to win those contracts..... pushing local agencies and civilians to buy what the Fed .gov is buying?
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Posted: 1/9/2023 5:49:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I wrong in thinking much of their success is hiring the right retired generals and higher ups, and purely going after .gov contracts and using that and the contacts their newly paid staff knew to win those contracts..... pushing local agencies and civilians to buy what the Fed .gov is buying? I think that's way too overly simplistic, and does not give them the credit they deserve. If you were to take out the "hiring the right retired generals and higher ups" part, you're basically describing KAC. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:06:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably just let Kimber die at this point. Kimber sells a LOT more 1911's than Sig. I say that as a Sig fan. I own more than a few and none are Kimber or Sig. |
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Posted: 1/9/2023 6:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I wrong in thinking much of their success is hiring the right retired generals and higher ups, and purely going after .gov contracts and using that and the contacts their newly paid staff knew to win those contracts..... pushing local agencies and civilians to buy what the Fed .gov is buying? My opinion anyway. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 1:11:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kimber sells a LOT more 1911's than Sig. I say that as an Sig fan. I own more than a few and none are Kimber or Sig. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Probably just let Kimber die at this point. Kimber sells a LOT more 1911's than Sig. I say that as an Sig fan. I own more than a few and none are Kimber or Sig. Oh I understand the commercial success, but holy crap they have become even more junk over the last 5 years. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:25:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve looked at those. I mean they are lower mid grade glass imo. If I’m buying a lpvo it’s a kahles or NF. For full-size my match rifles have ZCO, kahles, NF etc. I do want to try the new sig red dot when my new mcx gets here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You should give the Easy 6 BDX and the newest Tango MSRs a visit. They’ve been slowly making gains in those departments, and those are two examples of where I think it’s certainly paid off. And I’m an optics snob. I’ve looked at those. I mean they are lower mid grade glass imo. If I’m buying a lpvo it’s a kahles or NF. For full-size my match rifles have ZCO, kahles, NF etc. I do want to try the new sig red dot when my new mcx gets here. What RDS are you thinking about? I still want to try the Romeo 4t. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 3:51:53 PM EDT
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I just want a P320 AXG Combat. Have an extra you dont need, OP?
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:22:42 PM EDT
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I remember when a guy first started a thread and first posted his idea of a "brace" that would "wrap around your arm" with two pieces of foam around a buffer tube. It was a thread that really altered firearms development over the last decade.
And I'm 90% sure someone at Sig saw the idea, got in touch with him, and helped bring a functional product to market. Now they get royalties, or own the patent or something. I could be totally off base but that's what I seem to recall. It seemed in the few years that followed that we began to see changes in there pistol design, introduction of optics, and other products. The brace was the catalyst (injection of cash) that really got them out of the niche they occupied to become a household name. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:25:03 PM EDT
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I have a Sig Mosquito.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Sig Mosquito. So did I. Not made by SIG though... |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:27:54 PM EDT
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I’d like to shoot a Spear but I’ve never even seen one in the wild.
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:32:31 PM EDT
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The only Sigs I have and trust is a pistol made in West Germany and a rifle made in Switzerland.
Any other sig is junk. |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only Sigs I have and trust is a pistol made in West Germany and a rifle made in Switzerland. Any other sig is junk. Gun collectors are so funny... |
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Posted: 1/11/2023 4:39:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only Sigs I have and trust is a pistol made in West Germany and a rifle made in Switzerland. Any other sig is junk. All those special forces guys, stuck with those junk Sig MCXs. 
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Posted: 1/15/2023 EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when a guy first started a thread and first posted his idea of a "brace" that would "wrap around your arm" with two pieces of foam around a buffer tube. It was a thread that really altered firearms development over the last decade. And I'm 90% sure someone at Sig saw the idea, got in touch with him, and helped bring a functional product to market. Now they get royalties, or own the patent or something. I could be totally off base but that's what I seem to recall. It seemed in the few years that followed that we began to see changes in there pistol design, introduction of optics, and other products. The brace was the catalyst (injection of cash) that really got them out of the niche they occupied to become a household name. Really interesting comment in light of the last few days. |
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