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Originally Posted By southerncross: Still haven't had time to listen to this one but I remember there being a History channel series with this guy and the Kensington Runestone was one of the episodes, assuming my memory is correct. That was the first I had heard of it. |
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Sorry about the derailment. As far as the Kensington Runestone, I've been following that story and Wolter's touting of it for years. He's pretty much the only one really saying it's real. As someone with a serious interest in Norse history, mythology, etc., to the point of being involved with re-enactment groups, making my own armor, brewing mead, writing a historical fiction novel (and being two chapters into the sequel), and studying old Norse and runes/runic alphabets...I don't think it's real. Nor do I think the Norse made it to Minnesota before the 1800's, when they filled the place up, my family included.  There are several runic alphabets. Elder Futhark, which transitioned to Younger Futhark before the Viking Age (i.e. in the 600's and 700's), and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark being the big three. There are variations on some of the runes later (mostly in Iceland) where they trim down the actual symbols (short-twig vs long-twig) for ease of use, but there are a bunch of things on the Kensington stone that simply aren't anywhere else. So a couple of possibilities arise at that point: --The Runestone contains symbols from a previously unknown runic alphabet, of which this is the only known example, --The Runestone represents a few variations of the existing alphabet, known only from this example --The Runestone was made by someone with an imperfect knowledge of their own alphabet, or --The Runestone is a relatively modern forgery made by someone with a passing knowledge of runes. That last one really seems to be the strongest candidate. The reason we know the Norse reached North America in the year 1000 is because they told us. In the Sagas, it's clearly laid out. First they made landfall in Iceland, then later Greenland, then they sailed even farther west and found Vinland. That Saga is how we even knew to look for a place where they may have been, and how we stumbled on Lanse'Aux Meadows. They even told us what happened while they were there, how long they stayed, some of the interactions with the natives ("skraelings"), etc. Then they left, because they were under constant attacks and few in number. They retreated to Greenland, and it was about then that the walrus ivory trade shit the bed, farming was next to impossible, and they packed up and left the place, retreating back to Iceland. All of this is known, again, because they told us. Never once is it mentioned that they traveled farther south down the coast (actually, I think that IS mentioned, but they didn't go far), or sailed inland on rivers to reach Minnesota, or anything of the sort. That would be extremely unusual, well outside the norm for the Norse not to have a saga about such a thing, oral history later compiled and written down in the early 1200's in the Prose and Poetic Eddas (Snorri Sturlesson and others), the Gaesta Daenorum (Saxo Grammaticus), and other surviving works from the time. As much as I enjoyed Wolter's shows and appearances on other's shows back when I had cable, his theories about the Runestone probably don't hold water. Not impossible by any means...but decidedly unlikely. He is a fun guy to listen to though. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Sorry about the derailment. As far as the Kensington Runestone, I've been following that story and Wolter's touting of it for years. He's pretty much the only one really saying it's real. As someone with a serious interest in Norse history, mythology, etc., to the point of being involved with re-enactment groups, making my own armor, brewing mead, writing a historical fiction novel (and being two chapters into the sequel), and studying old Norse and runes/runic alphabets...I don't think it's real. Nor do I think the Norse made it to Minnesota before the 1800's, when they filled the place up, my family included. There are several runic alphabets. Elder Futhark, which transitioned to Younger Futhark before the Viking Age (i.e. in the 600's and 700's), and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark being the big three. There are variations on some of the runes later (mostly in Iceland) where they trim down the actual symbols (short-twig vs long-twig) for ease of use, but there are a bunch of things on the Kensington stone that simply aren't anywhere else. So a couple of possibilities arise at that point: --The Runestone contains symbols from a previously unknown runic alphabet, of which this is the only known example, --The Runestone represents a few variations of the existing alphabet, known only from this example --The Runestone was made by someone with an imperfect knowledge of their own alphabet, or --The Runestone is a relatively modern forgery made by someone with a passing knowledge of runes. That last one really seems to be the strongest candidate. The reason we know the Norse reached North America in the year 1000 is because they told us. In the Sagas, it's clearly laid out. First they made landfall in Iceland, then later Greenland, then they sailed even farther west and found Vinland. That Saga is how we even knew to look for a place where they may have been, and how we stumbled on Lanse'Aux Meadows. They even told us what happened while they were there, how long they stayed, some of the interactions with the natives ("skraelings"), etc. Then they left, because they were under constant attacks and few in number. They retreated to Greenland, and it was about then that the walrus ivory trade shit the bed, farming was next to impossible, and they packed up and left the place, retreating back to Iceland. All of this is known, again, because they told us. Never once is it mentioned that they traveled farther south down the coast (actually, I think that IS mentioned, but they didn't go far), or sailed inland on rivers to reach Minnesota, or anything of the sort. That would be extremely unusual, well outside the norm for the Norse not to have a saga about such a thing, oral history later compiled and written down in the early 1200's in the Prose and Poetic Eddas (Snorri Sturlesson and others), the Gaesta Daenorum (Saxo Grammaticus), and other surviving works from the time. As much as I enjoyed Wolter's shows and appearances on other's shows back when I had cable, his theories about the Runestone probably don't hold water. Not impossible by any means...but decidedly unlikely. He is a fun guy to listen to though. Thanks for the insight. I haven't heard any detractors of his, well, ever, but I never looked either. I treat all of the stuff in this forum like fiction and if it turns out to be true, cool. Mostly entertainment for me. Pretty awesome to hear from someone with an actual knowledge of the backstory that could support or seriously call into question guys like Wolter, though. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Is anyone changing anything before 6-6-26? The story was full of symbolism and cryptic messages, then it suddenly gets specific and literal for certain things. All we get for the date is "beware" which is entirely useless. Every few months, we get a new prediction about "something bad happening on X date" and not once have they been accurate. |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Is anyone changing anything before 6-6-26? No. In general I don’t believe doomsday predictions. This one was just a beware of the date. More ambiguous than an astrology prediction. Maybe I’m too dense to have followed along on the trail that brought him to the green jar. But it seemed silly to me that a jar buried in the late 40’s to early 50’s with a scroll wrapped in a 1950’s placemat was anything to be taken seriously. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Thanks for the insight. I haven't heard any detractors of his, well, ever, but I never looked either. I treat all of the stuff in this forum like fiction and if it turns out to be true, cool. Mostly entertainment for me. Pretty awesome to hear from someone with an actual knowledge of the backstory that could support or seriously call into question guys like Wolter, though. Bear in mind I'm not a formally trained expert. But I listen to them often to learn things. Here's one: Jackson Crawford. PhD in Old Norse Studies. Used to teach in CA and CO, now does so independently. Has a decade worth of vids up about anything and everything Old Norse, all free on YouTube (although I am a Patreon Supporter, full disclosure). Writes newer, easier-to-understand, modern translations of the Eddas and such (as opposed to the ones from 50-100 years ago that were the norm for all this time). Anyway, here's a 60-second short that doesn't really dig into the meat of it, but talks about it:  The Kensington "runestone" is fake And here's the 40+ minute video he mentions going into depth about it:  The Kensington Runestone: Expert Analysis Scott Wolter is a fun dude to watch and listen to, but he's a geologist taking wild swings over one of his personal passion projects. I'm pretty sure he believes what he's saying, I never saw has a con man or got those vibes...but so many people who are actual experts in this field have said the Kensington Runestone is a bad forgery that I think it's a bad forgery. For your viewing pleasure, here's a collage of a few actual runestones. There are thousands of them in Scandinavia. Thousands. They follow some pretty similar patterns, and they don't look much like the Kensington Runestone. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Bear in mind I'm not a formally trained expert. But I listen to them often to learn things. Here's one: Jackson Crawford. PhD in Old Norse Studies. Used to teach in CA and CO, now does so independently. Has a decade worth of vids up about anything and everything Old Norse, all free on YouTube (although I am a Patreon Supporter, full disclosure). Writes newer, easier-to-understand, modern translations of the Eddas and such (as opposed to the ones from 50-100 years ago that were the norm for all this time). Anyway, here's a 60-second short that doesn't really dig into the meat of it, but talks about it:  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8KN5bMmhTLg - ETA: Well, crap. Apparently Shorts don't work like regular vids? Sorry, don't know how to fix it. Oh well, it's easy enough to find on the Tube of You by searching "jackson crawford kensington."And here's the 40+ minute video he mentions going into depth about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWvRtlyTaUcScott Wolter is a fun dude to watch and listen to, but he's a geologist taking wild swings over one of his personal passion projects. I'm pretty sure he believes what he's saying, I never saw has a con man or got those vibes...but so many people who are actual experts in this field have said the Kensington Runestone is a bad forgery that I think it's a bad forgery. For your viewing pleasure, here's a collage of a few actual runestones. There are thousands of them in Scandinavia. Thousands. They follow some pretty similar patterns, and they don't look much like the Kensington Runestone. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/254435/Runestones_jpg-3728549.JPG Awesome. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Sorry about the derailment. As far as the Kensington Runestone, I've been following that story and Wolter's touting of it for years. He's pretty much the only one really saying it's real. As someone with a serious interest in Norse history, mythology, etc., to the point of being involved with re-enactment groups, making my own armor, brewing mead, writing a historical fiction novel (and being two chapters into the sequel), and studying old Norse and runes/runic alphabets...I don't think it's real. Nor do I think the Norse made it to Minnesota before the 1800's, when they filled the place up, my family included. There are several runic alphabets. Elder Futhark, which transitioned to Younger Futhark before the Viking Age (i.e. in the 600's and 700's), and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark being the big three. There are variations on some of the runes later (mostly in Iceland) where they trim down the actual symbols (short-twig vs long-twig) for ease of use, but there are a bunch of things on the Kensington stone that simply aren't anywhere else. So a couple of possibilities arise at that point: --The Runestone contains symbols from a previously unknown runic alphabet, of which this is the only known example, --The Runestone represents a few variations of the existing alphabet, known only from this example --The Runestone was made by someone with an imperfect knowledge of their own alphabet, or --The Runestone is a relatively modern forgery made by someone with a passing knowledge of runes. That last one really seems to be the strongest candidate. The reason we know the Norse reached North America in the year 1000 is because they told us. In the Sagas, it's clearly laid out. First they made landfall in Iceland, then later Greenland, then they sailed even farther west and found Vinland. That Saga is how we even knew to look for a place where they may have been, and how we stumbled on Lanse'Aux Meadows. They even told us what happened while they were there, how long they stayed, some of the interactions with the natives ("skraelings"), etc. Then they left, because they were under constant attacks and few in number. They retreated to Greenland, and it was about then that the walrus ivory trade shit the bed, farming was next to impossible, and they packed up and left the place, retreating back to Iceland. All of this is known, again, because they told us. Never once is it mentioned that they traveled farther south down the coast (actually, I think that IS mentioned, but they didn't go far), or sailed inland on rivers to reach Minnesota, or anything of the sort. That would be extremely unusual, well outside the norm for the Norse not to have a saga about such a thing, oral history later compiled and written down in the early 1200's in the Prose and Poetic Eddas (Snorri Sturlesson and others), the Gaesta Daenorum (Saxo Grammaticus), and other surviving works from the time. As much as I enjoyed Wolter's shows and appearances on other's shows back when I had cable, his theories about the Runestone probably don't hold water. Not impossible by any means...but decidedly unlikely. He is a fun guy to listen to though. I think the problem with this assessment is that it's based around the actual Norse people placing the Kensignton Runestone. As I'm understanding the story, Templars who fled to Nordic/Norse lands during the period of persecution (not actual Norse people) made their way across to America based on the information from the Norse history and went further. They were traveled folks who absorbed different cultural pieces and used them when they made their way there, to include marking land with their story. A few other things to keep in mind that while you've posted photos of nordic stones, that practice wasn't limited to only the norse people. It's been a common practice across the globe, but even going just to the island of England/Scottland, you'll find Pictish stones. Keep in mind that there are Sinclair ties to the area where the Pictish stones are located. Now add in the "decoding" that Scott Wolter is laying out. Long story short, I think it's pretty easy to just write it off as a fake, but the depth of which there seem to be more to the stone than what appears to be there at first glance certainly seem to be pointing toward there being a decent chance that at least some of the stones markings may date to the period that align with the story of the Runestone. |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: I think the problem with this assessment is that it's based around the actual Norse people placing the Kensignton Runestone. As I'm understanding the story, Templars who fled to Nordic/Norse lands during the period of persecution (not actual Norse people) made their way across to America based on the information from the Norse history and went further. They were traveled folks who absorbed different cultural pieces and used them when they made their way there, to include marking land with their story. A few other things to keep in mind that while you've posted photos of nordic stones, that practice wasn't limited to only the norse people. It's been a common practice across the globe, but even going just to the island of England/Scottland, you'll find Pictish stones. Keep in mind that there are Sinclair ties to the area where the Pictish stones are located. Now add in the "decoding" that Scott Wolter is laying out. Long story short, I think it's pretty easy to just write it off as a fake, but the depth of which there seem to be more to the stone than what appears to be there at first glance certainly seem to be pointing toward there being a decent chance that at least some of the stones markings may date to the period that align with the story of the Runestone. Originally Posted By Wangstang: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Sorry about the derailment. As far as the Kensington Runestone, I've been following that story and Wolter's touting of it for years. He's pretty much the only one really saying it's real. As someone with a serious interest in Norse history, mythology, etc., to the point of being involved with re-enactment groups, making my own armor, brewing mead, writing a historical fiction novel (and being two chapters into the sequel), and studying old Norse and runes/runic alphabets...I don't think it's real. Nor do I think the Norse made it to Minnesota before the 1800's, when they filled the place up, my family included. There are several runic alphabets. Elder Futhark, which transitioned to Younger Futhark before the Viking Age (i.e. in the 600's and 700's), and the Anglo-Saxon Futhark being the big three. There are variations on some of the runes later (mostly in Iceland) where they trim down the actual symbols (short-twig vs long-twig) for ease of use, but there are a bunch of things on the Kensington stone that simply aren't anywhere else. So a couple of possibilities arise at that point: --The Runestone contains symbols from a previously unknown runic alphabet, of which this is the only known example, --The Runestone represents a few variations of the existing alphabet, known only from this example --The Runestone was made by someone with an imperfect knowledge of their own alphabet, or --The Runestone is a relatively modern forgery made by someone with a passing knowledge of runes. That last one really seems to be the strongest candidate. The reason we know the Norse reached North America in the year 1000 is because they told us. In the Sagas, it's clearly laid out. First they made landfall in Iceland, then later Greenland, then they sailed even farther west and found Vinland. That Saga is how we even knew to look for a place where they may have been, and how we stumbled on Lanse'Aux Meadows. They even told us what happened while they were there, how long they stayed, some of the interactions with the natives ("skraelings"), etc. Then they left, because they were under constant attacks and few in number. They retreated to Greenland, and it was about then that the walrus ivory trade shit the bed, farming was next to impossible, and they packed up and left the place, retreating back to Iceland. All of this is known, again, because they told us. Never once is it mentioned that they traveled farther south down the coast (actually, I think that IS mentioned, but they didn't go far), or sailed inland on rivers to reach Minnesota, or anything of the sort. That would be extremely unusual, well outside the norm for the Norse not to have a saga about such a thing, oral history later compiled and written down in the early 1200's in the Prose and Poetic Eddas (Snorri Sturlesson and others), the Gaesta Daenorum (Saxo Grammaticus), and other surviving works from the time. As much as I enjoyed Wolter's shows and appearances on other's shows back when I had cable, his theories about the Runestone probably don't hold water. Not impossible by any means...but decidedly unlikely. He is a fun guy to listen to though. I think the problem with this assessment is that it's based around the actual Norse people placing the Kensignton Runestone. As I'm understanding the story, Templars who fled to Nordic/Norse lands during the period of persecution (not actual Norse people) made their way across to America based on the information from the Norse history and went further. They were traveled folks who absorbed different cultural pieces and used them when they made their way there, to include marking land with their story. A few other things to keep in mind that while you've posted photos of nordic stones, that practice wasn't limited to only the norse people. It's been a common practice across the globe, but even going just to the island of England/Scottland, you'll find Pictish stones. Keep in mind that there are Sinclair ties to the area where the Pictish stones are located. Now add in the "decoding" that Scott Wolter is laying out. Long story short, I think it's pretty easy to just write it off as a fake, but the depth of which there seem to be more to the stone than what appears to be there at first glance certainly seem to be pointing toward there being a decent chance that at least some of the stones markings may date to the period that align with the story of the Runestone. From my own recollection, it's got all sorts of National Treasure shit going on that ties in several other tales about the Templars, along with some DaVinci Code type shit: -The Knights fled to North America with a huge amount of treasure and relics. (Oak Island type stuff with ample supporting evidence) -Encrypted messages. (SOP for the Templars) -A Templar's journal that mentions Ben Franklin on a mission to retrieve the treasure in order to fund the revolution. (A shitload of the founding fathers were masons/Templars and the funding of the war is unclear) -A manifest that implies the treasure included multiple Arks (as in the Ark of The Covenant), the spear of destiny, the emerald tablet, and Jesus' bones. (Basically everything the Templar's supposedly hid and the church tortured a shitload of them trying to find) -Some confusing stuff about a lost book of the Bible the Vatican desperately wanted. -Some even more confusing stuff that reads like Jesus' autobiography with claims he survived the crucifixion because he's half-alien and fled to Scotland with Mary Magdalene, where they bore children. (One of the core beliefs of the Templars, except for the alien bit) It's got a bit of everything and what really makes it fascinating is how many supporting stories are intertwined. It's either an elaborate modern hoax with enough truth to make it believable, an elaborate older hoax that's being discovered now, a combination of the two, or there's a whole lot of dogma-defying truth. My brain got fried just trying to keep up with it all and make sense of it. |
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Originally Posted By Wangstang: I think the problem with this assessment is that it's based around the actual Norse people placing the Kensignton Runestone. As I'm understanding the story, Templars who fled to Nordic/Norse lands during the period of persecution (not actual Norse people) made their way across to America based on the information from the Norse history and went further. They were traveled folks who absorbed different cultural pieces and used them when they made their way there, to include marking land with their story. A few other things to keep in mind that while you've posted photos of nordic stones, that practice wasn't limited to only the norse people. It's been a common practice across the globe, but even going just to the island of England/Scottland, you'll find Pictish stones. Keep in mind that there are Sinclair ties to the area where the Pictish stones are located. Now add in the "decoding" that Scott Wolter is laying out. Long story short, I think it's pretty easy to just write it off as a fake, but the depth of which there seem to be more to the stone than what appears to be there at first glance certainly seem to be pointing toward there being a decent chance that at least some of the stones markings may date to the period that align with the story of the Runestone. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Well stated. The story he's telling is about the Templars fleeing persecution and looking for a new place to set up shop. It's a difficult podcast to follow and I'm thinking about having AI summarize the main points in a way that's easier to understand. From my own recollection, it's got all sorts of National Treasure shit going on that ties in several other tales about the Templars, along with some DaVinci Code type shit: -The Knights fled to North America with a huge amount of treasure and relics. (Oak Island type stuff with ample supporting evidence) -Encrypted messages. (SOP for the Templars) -A Templar's journal that mentions Ben Franklin on a mission to retrieve the treasure in order to fund the revolution. (A shitload of the founding fathers were masons/Templars and the funding of the war is unclear) -A manifest that implies the treasure included multiple Arks (as in the Ark of The Covenant), the spear of destiny, the emerald tablet, and Jesus' bones. (Basically everything the Templar's supposedly hid and the church tortured a shitload of them trying to find) -Some confusing stuff about a lost book of the Bible the Vatican desperately wanted. -Some even more confusing stuff that reads like Jesus' autobiography with claims he survived the crucifixion because he's half-alien and fled to Scotland with Mary Magdalene, where they bore children. (One of the core beliefs of the Templars, except for the alien bit) It's got a bit of everything and what really makes it fascinating is how many supporting stories are intertwined. It's either an elaborate modern hoax with enough truth to make it believable, an elaborate older hoax that's being discovered now, a combination of the two, or there's a whole lot of dogma-defying truth. My brain got fried just trying to keep up with it all and make sense of it. Off the top of my head, the problem with the Templar hypothesis and them travelling NA and leaving behind the runestone is simple...by the time the Templars would have done that, no one had written anything in runes for literally hundreds of years. It would have been a stone with carved Latin script, if anything. Or, if it were encoded in some fashion, it would have been a script they developed for themselves. Not Younger Futhark runes, and certainly not Elder Futhark, which hadn't been used in 700 years. Even in the Nordic lands at that time, everyone was writing with the Latin alphabet. Not runes. From the magic of the interwebs: "The youngest, or latest, known runestones were erected in the 12th century. While the peak of runestone production occurred during the late Viking Age (c. 1000–1100), some stones in Swedish regions such as Uppland continued to be raised into the early 1100s, marking the end of the tradition." They weren't making them in Scotland, or anywhere else in the 1300's or later. Good topic for Friday the 13th though.
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Off the top of my head, the problem with the Templar hypothesis and them travelling NA and leaving behind the runestone is simple...by the time the Templars would have done that, no one had written anything in runes for literally hundreds of years. It would have been a stone with carved Latin script, if anything. Or, if it were encoded in some fashion, it would have been a script they developed for themselves. Not Younger Futhark runes, and certainly not Elder Futhark, which hadn't been used in 700 years. Even in the Nordic lands at that time, everyone was writing with the Latin alphabet. Not runes. From the magic of the interwebs: "The youngest, or latest, known runestones were erected in the 12th century. While the peak of runestone production occurred during the late Viking Age (c. 1000 1100), some stones in Swedish regions such as Uppland continued to be raised into the early 1100s, marking the end of the tradition." They weren't making them in Scotland, or anywhere else in the 1300's or later. Good topic for Friday the 13th though. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Wangstang: I think the problem with this assessment is that it's based around the actual Norse people placing the Kensignton Runestone. As I'm understanding the story, Templars who fled to Nordic/Norse lands during the period of persecution (not actual Norse people) made their way across to America based on the information from the Norse history and went further. They were traveled folks who absorbed different cultural pieces and used them when they made their way there, to include marking land with their story. A few other things to keep in mind that while you've posted photos of nordic stones, that practice wasn't limited to only the norse people. It's been a common practice across the globe, but even going just to the island of England/Scottland, you'll find Pictish stones. Keep in mind that there are Sinclair ties to the area where the Pictish stones are located. Now add in the "decoding" that Scott Wolter is laying out. Long story short, I think it's pretty easy to just write it off as a fake, but the depth of which there seem to be more to the stone than what appears to be there at first glance certainly seem to be pointing toward there being a decent chance that at least some of the stones markings may date to the period that align with the story of the Runestone. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Well stated. The story he's telling is about the Templars fleeing persecution and looking for a new place to set up shop. It's a difficult podcast to follow and I'm thinking about having AI summarize the main points in a way that's easier to understand. From my own recollection, it's got all sorts of National Treasure shit going on that ties in several other tales about the Templars, along with some DaVinci Code type shit: -The Knights fled to North America with a huge amount of treasure and relics. (Oak Island type stuff with ample supporting evidence) -Encrypted messages. (SOP for the Templars) -A Templar's journal that mentions Ben Franklin on a mission to retrieve the treasure in order to fund the revolution. (A shitload of the founding fathers were masons/Templars and the funding of the war is unclear) -A manifest that implies the treasure included multiple Arks (as in the Ark of The Covenant), the spear of destiny, the emerald tablet, and Jesus' bones. (Basically everything the Templar's supposedly hid and the church tortured a shitload of them trying to find) -Some confusing stuff about a lost book of the Bible the Vatican desperately wanted. -Some even more confusing stuff that reads like Jesus' autobiography with claims he survived the crucifixion because he's half-alien and fled to Scotland with Mary Magdalene, where they bore children. (One of the core beliefs of the Templars, except for the alien bit) It's got a bit of everything and what really makes it fascinating is how many supporting stories are intertwined. It's either an elaborate modern hoax with enough truth to make it believable, an elaborate older hoax that's being discovered now, a combination of the two, or there's a whole lot of dogma-defying truth. My brain got fried just trying to keep up with it all and make sense of it. Off the top of my head, the problem with the Templar hypothesis and them travelling NA and leaving behind the runestone is simple...by the time the Templars would have done that, no one had written anything in runes for literally hundreds of years. It would have been a stone with carved Latin script, if anything. Or, if it were encoded in some fashion, it would have been a script they developed for themselves. Not Younger Futhark runes, and certainly not Elder Futhark, which hadn't been used in 700 years. Even in the Nordic lands at that time, everyone was writing with the Latin alphabet. Not runes. From the magic of the interwebs: "The youngest, or latest, known runestones were erected in the 12th century. While the peak of runestone production occurred during the late Viking Age (c. 1000 1100), some stones in Swedish regions such as Uppland continued to be raised into the early 1100s, marking the end of the tradition." They weren't making them in Scotland, or anywhere else in the 1300's or later. Good topic for Friday the 13th though. |
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I will need to re-watch this one. I don’t tend to get lost in these stories (and in my defense I watched it tired after a couple beverages) but this one got strange fast and didn’t stop. |
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A better explaination of the two box problem, which I weirdly watched just days before this WF episode. Something to this idea.  This Paradox Splits Smart People 50/50 0:00 What is Newcomb’s Paradox? 3:24 Pick 1 Box! 5:24 Pick Both! 6:38 What is decision theory? 11:27 What does Newcomb’s Paradox say about free will? 13:25 What does it mean to be rational? 16:49 Mutually Assured Destruction 20:02 Precommitment Is The Ultimate Strategy |
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This cryptids one just came acrosss the suggested after catching up there. Skimming through, there's something between the middle and then the last or next to last videos where the fishy was sleeping with the... well you know. It's a huge compilation, but the fish starts out pretty annoying but not extremely but he gets there and is what made me love the new "Redacted" options. the fish is out of crap and has resorted to chasing kindergarten level beavis and butthead thumb up or something. In the beginning, he did excellent with the fish being great color commentary and maybe saying what Jay couldn't really "officially" endorse/say on the platform for some letters but then it just overextended and I can put up with a lot but when Jay became secondary to the fish, it was far too much. This is also another compilation that spans so much time you can see the production values warp from high grade youtube starter guy to history channel and then some production values which makes it impressive. Are there any other compilations under 4 hours that have a block of it that is easy re-watch or background sound? The last half of this one is all right for me:  Human Hybrids and Interdimensional Creatures: Cryptids Compilation Vol. 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfYUaMcmmSM |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Interesting. I clicked on an article about Aliens.gov and Alien.gov on a news aggregator website, and was taking to an MSN article (useless...no real news). Two thirds of the way down the page a video is embedded. The Why Files episode on MJ12. Article |
Pope Gregorius Billingsgate Callipygian Quimtickler, First of His Name
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
Protodeacon of the Iniquitous
Gurkhan of the Illimitable Feline Hordes
Chakravartin of the Feculent Multiversal Litterbox
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 Vanished: Three Disappearances Nobody Can Explain |
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This is going to be good. The Basement: Avi Loeb | 3I Atlas, Oumuamua, and What NASA Won't Say |
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The latest one I bumped across: What Nobody Tells You About Death | The Living Feel It Too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: The latest one I bumped across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo |
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Originally Posted By brass: The latest one I bumped across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Relatable episode. I had my own unexplainable experience when my dad died. Can you relate your own experience? |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: I watched it last night. It's about sharing your life experiences with others at the time of your death, unwillingly? I didn't know this was a thing. Can you relate your own experience? Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Relatable episode. I had my own unexplainable experience when my dad died. Can you relate your own experience? My mom called the next morning to tell me he died and was resuscitated overnight. After we got more information from the doctor, mom decided on a DNR protocol and he lasted another 8 days. |
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Originally Posted By brass: The latest one I bumped across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo I’m about half thru this one. Dovetails with a lot of other experiencer stories I’ve read/seen, and also some of what Ky has been podcasting over on the Telepathy Tapes/Talk Tracks. What I find strange is what the conditions are for these things to happen to outsiders…? I was present when my wife’s grandmother passed. At the moment the monitors started beeping, I felt this warm sense of love- that was also physically warm, the temperature rose- and this term I can only call “holiness” flowing through me. I figured it was just us being sad or our faces flushing from crying, but who knows. I didn’t see smoke or the walls warping, or anyone or anything floating above her. Just that warmth/love. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: I'm about half thru this one. Dovetails with a lot of other experiencer stories I've read/seen, and also some of what Ky has been podcasting over on the Telepathy Tapes/Talk Tracks. What I find strange is what the conditions are for these things to happen to outsiders ? I was present when my wife's grandmother passed. At the moment the monitors started beeping, I felt this warm sense of love- that was also physically warm, the temperature rose- and this term I can only call "holiness" flowing through me. I figured it was just us being sad or our faces flushing from crying, but who knows. I didn't see smoke or the walls warping, or anyone or anything floating above her. Just that warmth/love. Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By brass: The latest one I bumped across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo I'm about half thru this one. Dovetails with a lot of other experiencer stories I've read/seen, and also some of what Ky has been podcasting over on the Telepathy Tapes/Talk Tracks. What I find strange is what the conditions are for these things to happen to outsiders ? I was present when my wife's grandmother passed. At the moment the monitors started beeping, I felt this warm sense of love- that was also physically warm, the temperature rose- and this term I can only call "holiness" flowing through me. I figured it was just us being sad or our faces flushing from crying, but who knows. I didn't see smoke or the walls warping, or anyone or anything floating above her. Just that warmth/love. When my dad kept flatlining, then coming back and holding on for extra days all on his own, his nurses asked us if we had told him it was okay to go and that we were going to be just fine. My mom and I said no, and they said "sometimes that's what they're waiting for and even though they're not supposed to be able to hear you when they're in this state, they can". He had been heavily sedated and on breathing machines since the first day in the hospital. So that evening my mom and I had our moments alone with him to tell him it was okay to go, and the next morning we had reached a point of acceptance and started telling stories about funny shit my dad had done over the years, laughing until we were in tears, and his heart rate/BP/O2 started slowly dropping until he was gone for the last time. He needed to know we were going to be okay. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: I have never met an ICU or hospice nurse who doesn't have wild stories. These are people who work around death every day and understand the scientific/biological parts of it way better than the rest of us, but they seem to all be in the boat of "there's a lot more going on that science can't explain". When my dad kept flatlining, then coming back and holding on for extra days all on his own, his nurses asked us if we had told him it was okay to go and that we were going to be just fine. My mom and I said no, and they said "sometimes that's what they're waiting for and even though they're not supposed to be able to hear you when they're in this state, they can". He had been heavily sedated and on breathing machines since the first day in the hospital. So that evening my mom and I had our moments alone with him to tell him it was okay to go, and the next morning we had reached a point of acceptance and started telling stories about funny shit my dad had done over the years, laughing until we were in tears, and his heart rate/BP/O2 started slowly dropping until he was gone for the last time. He needed to know we were going to be okay. Interesting … in my FIL’s last days, he was completely unresponsive for a couple days, and we spent the whole day with him, in his room, just talking to each other while we waited. It ended up getting late so we left. We live ~40 minutes from the hospital. Literally the moment I hit the garage door opener, we got the call that he passed, so we went back. When we got there, the nurse told us that even when people are unresponsive, their subconscious can hear familiar voices and he wanted to stick around while he heard them... Then once we left, he must have decided it was okay to leave us. I got the impression same as you: he needed to know we’d be okay. Edit - finished the episode. Would love to hear more from ICU and hospice nurses. I remember reading years ago that some emergency personnel put recognizable things on top of cabinets so if someone leaves their body and then returns, sometimes they will say “what’s up with the [whatever it is] on top of the cabinet”… |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: When my dad was in the ICU, in a diabetic coma, I was laying in bed fretting about the whole situation and assuming he wasn't going to make it. Out of nowhere, a feeling of calm washed over me. I felt almost an internal buzzing and I hear my dad's voice in a happy tone say "Dude! Heyyyy Dude!" which is what he always called me. His voice was like a surprised "check this shit out!" tone. Then, in my head I saw flashes of me as a kid in different stages of life but they weren't from my POV and none of those images are from photos. It was like a form of "life flashing before my eyes" but it wasn't from my perspective, it was from his. Then the feeling and images passed. My mom called the next morning to tell me he died and was resuscitated overnight. After we got more information from the doctor, mom decided on a DNR protocol and he lasted another 8 days. |
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| I need to listen to this one. When my mom passed it hurt. She was in ICU at the time and we all knew it would be soon, cancer. She had 7 brothers at the time and the last one was flying in from Phoenix. She had said she wanted to see all her brothers before she died, she was on the morphine drip by then. He flew in a day later and not 20 minutes after he left she passed. Human willpower is a STRONG thing. |
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Originally Posted By brass: The latest one I bumped across: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xauvaJ1kTBo I liked this one. Some interesting stories. When I was like 8yo, I had a vivid dream my uncle Gene was at our front door crying. I liked him. He taught me Chess and was a cool guy. Later that day, his parents showed up to tell us Gene died. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
 The Basement: Eric Wargo | Time Travel Physics, Precognitive Dreams, and Quantum Biology |
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 True Internet Horrors: Chip-Chan, Local 58, and The Plague Doctor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4a-zSwzxU |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
 The Basement: Marc D'Antonio | 40 Billion Habitable Worlds and Something Living in Our Oceans |
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True Internet Horrors: Chip-Chan, Local 58, and The Plague Doctor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4a-zSwzxU |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4a-zSwzxUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4a-zSwzxU 
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt4pT6PpCoQThis one is crazy! Here's a link to the book: The Greatest Templar Tale Never Told: The Sinclair/Wemyss Journals (The Hooked X) So Finally finished this one. Was ok in the beginning about the Rune Stone, but towards the end, I feel like it went off the rails. Yes, I am a Catholic, but those letters as diaries didnt sound true to me. Then the end where "Jesus" slowed his breathing and talked about how he was cut in the "small intestines".... is wacko Although they may have know of that organ, calling it "the small intestine" I donno know |
Oh boy! Watching this after Artemis II splashdown. The Roswell Alien Interview | Your Soul Has Been Here Thousands of Times |
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I have had a 40 minute drive a few times this week and listened to this one in sections. No disrespect to the fella being interviewed, but this one really wasn't all that engaging. Compared to others I've listened to this one was painful to follow, seemed to be filled with loose regurgitation of others ideas with the intent to claim them as his own, had points in it where the guest seemed to have some notable medical issues that could explain things he "experienced", and the time spent on the headline topics were tiny compared to the poor story telling the guest kept bringing the conversation back to. |
 Peter Levenda - From Bobby Kennedy's Funeral to Nazi Gold in Indonesia | Basement Trailer |
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Originally Posted By Jack_Rackham: Oh boy! Watching this after Artemis II splashdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4vVOiWwDoDoggone it I really need to start watching these basement episides.
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Originally Posted By southerncross: They're really entertaining. I've enjoyed all of them. Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By macman37: Doggone it I really need to start watching these basement episides. They're really entertaining. I've enjoyed all of them. I will check them out... This one I threw on while I was working out this morning. I got up to where he debunks it and had to stop… this one was very well rounded/thought out. I hadn’t realized ‘til I put it on,that this is one of the regular eps, not a Basement show. |
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 The Basement: Peter Levenda | Nazis, UFOs, and the Hidden History Nobody Tells |
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