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Posted: 1/31/2024 6:59:25 PM EST
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Posted: 1/31/2024 6:59:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perspective for our Infantry brothers; what happened to this ship was the equivalent of shooting a bad guy with your M9 as he comes over the sandbags of your foxhole. I'd say bayonet. 
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:00:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's true that the SM-2 interceptor missile missed or malfunctioned, that was an expensive failure just a little north of $2 million if the interwebs are a reasonable ballpark. We got to get a way to kinetically kill these things at range and not cost so much. 3d printing, AI and all that stuff brought together. Gotta be some way. Reforms on the military and congressional spending with wanting just exquisite military hardware that is very expensive things versus disposable things that can be produced like hotcakes. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:02:14 PM EST
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Quoted:
maybe just lucky..  Even The Losers |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:03:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By being deathly afraid of escalation, this admin has brought us closer and closer to the larger fight they didnt want. I think your right, man. The last thing these dudes should be doing is telling everyone how afraid of escalation they are. Sure behind the scenes you talk about careful and measured approaches. But out front; our enemies need to think we're prepared to mercilessly crush them. This pacifist talk is leading to escalation. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:04:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And time to upgrade the guidance system and those systems on the targeting arrays. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They've had plenty of practice And time to upgrade the guidance system and those systems on the targeting arrays. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:07:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SM-2s ain’t perfect, so there will be this types of events. Why they need to fix the problem at the source, much as it pains me to think of HiLuxs getting blown up. But they need to get more aggressive in dealing with the Houthis. Stop shooting the arrows and shoot the archer. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:09:32 PM EST
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They launch enough at once , some will eventually get thru, and big holes , dead sailors, and possibly sunken ships will result. Because how many incoming drones / missiles can a navy destroyer shoot down in 10 minutes, before running dry on ready to fire ordinance ? 10 ? 20 ? 50 ? 100 ? Because eventually some will overwhelm the capacity to shoot them down and they start impacting.
And what’s the cost per shoot down missile vs incoming missile? A $ million Buck US missile vs $5000? Iranian drone / missile ? |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:10:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every attack is an opportunity to gather sigint and refine their platforms to obtain a hit. Every delay in smashing the source of the attack is aid and comfort. ETA: there is no political solution with non-state actors. Only violent ones. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:11:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing just a result of "accuracy through volume". Well, that’s kind of the whole purpose of the Phalanx CIWS. It’s not a one shot, one kill weapon. The 100 rounds per second is to create a wall of projectiles. Looks like it did that remarkably well. The fact that it detected a supersonic object, formed a firing solution, fired from a moving platform, and took it down from a mile out is pretty impressive. I doubt any long distance shooter with the best equipment would be capable of such a such. So considering all that the Phalanx is freakishly accurate. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:12:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They launch enough at once , some will eventually get thru, and big holes , dead sailors, and possibly sunken ships will result. All for the mistaken and insane pursuit of the " Deterrence " doctrine. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:13:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By being deathly afraid of escalation, this admin has brought us closer and closer to the larger fight they didnt want. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:17:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All for the mistaken and insane pursuit of the " Deterrence " doctrine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They launch enough at once , some will eventually get thru, and big holes , dead sailors, and possibly sunken ships will result. All for the mistaken and insane pursuit of the " Deterrence " doctrine. We should be launching a cruise missile into Iran for each drone launched at a U.S. navy ship / U.S. flagged ship. Incoming drone ! Shoot it down, immediately launch a tomahawk cruise missile towards Iran, blow up a random chunk of defense industry, infrastructure, politicians house, oil refinery, etc. Rinse, repeat. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:18:12 PM EST
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This is going to get out of hand.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:24:29 PM EST
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the Cruise Missile is reported to have come within 1 Mile of the Ship likely following a Miss or Malfunction with an SM-2 Interceptor Missile. How fast are these things flying? Cruise missiles are probably 500mph, SM2 is Mach 3. I would think, however expensive, they would have preferred to launch a second SM2 after the first one failed, rather than relying on CWIS. Did it close the gap that quickly, did we engage too close to allow a second SM2 shot, or did they just want to see how the inexpensive Phalanx performs against cruise missiles? I'm uneasy that it got that close. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:25:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is counter-battery fire a thing for ballistic missiles? What’s the playbook to counter China’s rocket force? Why aren’t we using it here? How are they getting (what seems to be) high quality targeting information? Can we get some more EW? How much talk over the last few years has there been about near-peer warfare? Well, here it is. Let’s get to deterring, because the Houthis don’t seem to be deterred right now. I am sure the people on the ships want to, but off ship factors are preventing them from doing that. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:25:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How fast are these things flying? Cruise missiles are probably 500mph, SM2 is Mach 3. I would think, however expensive, they would have preferred to launch a second SM2 after the first one failed, rather than relying on CWIS. Did it close the gap that quickly, did we engage too close to allow a second SM2 shot, or did they just want to see how the inexpensive Phalanx performs against cruise missiles? I'm uneasy that it got that close. Quote HistoryQuoted: the Cruise Missile is reported to have come within 1 Mile of the Ship likely following a Miss or Malfunction with an SM-2 Interceptor Missile. How fast are these things flying? Cruise missiles are probably 500mph, SM2 is Mach 3. I would think, however expensive, they would have preferred to launch a second SM2 after the first one failed, rather than relying on CWIS. Did it close the gap that quickly, did we engage too close to allow a second SM2 shot, or did they just want to see how the inexpensive Phalanx performs against cruise missiles? I'm uneasy that it got that close. Given the distances involved they might not have had time. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:29:03 PM EST
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For those wondering why the Phalanx engaged it at a mile out, the effective range is 1625 yards - a little under a mile. CIWS = Close-In Weapon System. It’s not a long range weapon. It is designed to engage threats that get too close.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:29:33 PM EST
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Glad the BRRRRRT worked when everything else didn't.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:31:38 PM EST
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Noor C-802 anti-ship cruise missile
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:34:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have had a bunch of practice shots - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFI9fEiWkAEKCyG?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 We could not be so arrogant as to think this wouldn't happen The Carney and Laboon needs to hang signs that say "Eisenhower THAT way" |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:36:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How fast are these things flying? Cruise missiles are probably 500mph, SM2 is Mach 3. I would think, however expensive, they would have preferred to launch a second SM2 after the first one failed, rather than relying on CWIS. Did it close the gap that quickly, did we engage too close to allow a second SM2 shot, or did they just want to see how the inexpensive Phalanx performs against cruise missiles? I'm uneasy that it got that close. I looked up the average speed of a cruise missile. 550mph. So it's was 1.8 Seconds away from hitting. If the story is right. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:49:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not a one way street. We can learn and improve these systems too based on real world experience. And we got much better eengineer than they do. They're using our engineers...just through an international game of telephone. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 7:59:22 PM EST
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From what I know, that's a first-ever at-sea CIWS kill in anger.
Glad it worked, but dang, ASM shouldn't get that close.  Will be curious to learn if they popped chaff and used ECM as well.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:00:24 PM EST
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If we just keep shooting the missiles and not launchers we are asking for it.
Our mil leaders are idiots. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:03:38 PM EST
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I wonder how the sailors onboard felt after they found out how close that missile got.
You can’t deploy ships somewhere as a deterrent and then not let them do the things that would deter someone from acting like an asshole. It’s past time for warheads on foreheads. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:09:22 PM EST
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:14:34 PM EST
[#28]
@LineOfDeparture
Quote HistoryLineOfDeparture: Every attack is an opportunity to gather sigint and refine their platforms to obtain a hit. Every delay in smashing the source of the attack is aid and comfort. ETA: there is no political solution with non-state actors. Only violent ones. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:18:54 PM EST
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Don't these things go shoot-shoot-look-shoot? So maybe several missiles missed instead of just one.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:23:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think your right, man. The last thing these dudes should be doing is telling everyone how afraid of escalation they are. Sure behind the scenes you talk about careful and measured approaches. But out front; our enemies need to think we're prepared to mercilessly crush them. This pacifist talk is leading to escalation. Admittedly, there's a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson of history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face, that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight or surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand, the ultimatum. And what then, when Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? " That is where we are headed. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:25:00 PM EST
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We are literally in a hot war and not doing much about it.
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:27:16 PM EST
[#32]
Perhaps this is not gibberish -
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:27:20 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We are literally in a hot war and not doing much about it. Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I don't believe much of anything being reported. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:29:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are we playing around with these people.? |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:30:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are literally in a hot war and not doing much about it. We have people at the border more or less bragging to people that they are Islamic terrorists before they get into their border patrol taxi to the nearest population center. It is not going to end well. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:30:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps this is not gibberish -
Missile to target geometry effects Ph and the targeted missile’s altitude and speed effect when the defense system sees and can engage |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:36:54 PM EST
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The incompetence from the top is like watching shit flowing downhill.
Nobody near it want's to put their boot in it and stop the flow, and they just keep passing the responsibility downstream until the grunts at the bottom have to eat it, and then get blamed for not eating enough of it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 8:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'm just being cynical, but I don't believe much of anything being reported. There are just too many eyes on those ships for it to not be happening. Now, the missles and drones (or the BVR interceptions may be false flag or fake....) but something is happening that at least looks like what is being reported. |
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:00:46 PM EST
[#39]
I wonder why the ESSMs weren't an option
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Posted: 1/31/2024 11:01:44 PM EST
[#40]
CIWS is badass. That sound is unmistakable.
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Posted: 2/1/2024 7:47:16 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Perhaps this is not gibberish -
The inference is that system has a minimum range. Whether due to not being able to maneuver down onto a sea-skimming target within that radius, or for some other reason, but---like Hillary blabbing to everyone in a public broadcast how long a particular link is of the nuclear response kill chain---it's not something I should be hearing about. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 7:59:31 PM EST
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As they have said the war has already started.
I guess xiden just doesn't know it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 8:23:10 PM EST
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Didn’t we have technology that traces the launch and the command and control and fires back? 1 mile is kinda close, meant othe things didn’t work or engaged?
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Posted: 2/1/2024 8:27:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dang. The Carney and Laboon needs to hang signs that say "Eisenhower THAT way" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They have had a bunch of practice shots - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFI9fEiWkAEKCyG?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 We could not be so arrogant as to think this wouldn't happen The Carney and Laboon needs to hang signs that say "Eisenhower THAT way" CAP "I understood that reference." /CAP At least we were bombing them, not running a live ammo AAW exercise. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 8:28:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't we have technology that traces the launch and the command and control and fires back? 1 mile is kinda close, meant othe things didn't work or engaged? |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 8:49:42 PM EST
[#46]
Quote History Attached FileDon't waste the fuel with a B-52...this would be a proper and economical response to the Yemen problem. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 9:19:18 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They only have to be lucky once...we have to be perfect 100% of the time. It's just a matter of time before they get lucky. Your right They're getting advised and adjusting It's only a matter of time befkre one gets thru and they won't stop I bet you iran is sharing information with China and the orcs Look at how they overwhelmed the patriot battery a few weeks ago They're learning and joe will do nothing but give them a heads up |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:12:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuse my ignorance, but with all the eyes and technology focused in a small area can't they see a launch fairly early and send a tomahawk response to the launch coordinates? By the time the Tomahawk arrives the launcher will most likely be gone. And the launcher is probably worth less than the Tomahawk. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:15:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are shooting and running This a job for some SF guys to solve some problems IMO chasing the launchers is not much better than swatting the missiles out of the sky. Lots of expenditure for little gain. Stop the hardware coming into Yemen, or target the Iranians we know are behind this. They have assets worth striking. |
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Posted: 2/1/2024 11:22:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we just keep shooting the missiles and not launchers we are asking for it. Our mil leaders are idiots. The mobile missile problem doesn’t seem to have changed much since Desert Storm. Scud hunting was inefficient and done mostly for political reasons to placate Israel. The real solution to the Scud problem was to defeat the regime launching them. |
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