Posted: 4/29/2012 9:02:44 PM EDT
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie.
I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. 
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up.
It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. |
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. I think it's partially that, and parents teach their kids to be pacifists. People tend to not fuck with the kid that will hit you, even if he'd lose the fight. Bullies like easy targets that don't do shit back. I got bullied a bit till I told my dad. He didn't tell me to cheer up, or the "sticks and stones" shit, he told me to dish it right back, get the kid to push me or throw the first punch, then try to kick his ass. I wouldn't say I won that fight, but I wasn't bullied anymore either. |
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. This.... What I think that has changed is how parent coddle their kids and raise them like they are in a bubble. I have 4 (17,21,21 and 25) and taught them the world is not all fun and games. ETA, I always told my kids to never start a fight, but if they were assaulted they were to fight back and end it. |
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. One of the problems today is that the schools have "Zero Tolerance" for any violence, which discourages the victims from defending themselves. The bullies are emboldened, and may bring the level of violence to a higher level than what was common in our generation. |
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. One of the problems today is that the schools have "Zero Tolerance" for any violence, which discourages the victims from defending themselves. The bullies are emboldened, and may bring the level of violence to a higher level than what was common in our generation. This... We are raising (actually, have been for about 10-15 years) a generation of pussies that cannot fight (fuck and shoot either).... That's unfortunate, but it's the truth...
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. I generally agree with that. I was bullied as a child, that's why I got in judo. Of course, it took me a number of years to be really good at it.....and a few more years to learn to avoid fighting unless it was absolutely necessary since I could quite potentially put them into a department in the hospital. I don't agree with Zero Tolerance or what it has produced but I do wonder at how much we can allow. As I noted in another post, I and another were put on report for fighting. Further, being the way I am, I am easily singled out for teasing. How do we teach children to have a fighting prowess to them so they aren't picked on without them using that prowess to break legs when they are pushed? I don't know. I just know what I am, what has happened to me in the past, what I can do. Despite this level of skill, though, I am not sure if it is the proper or ideal way for I do know the cost that comes with it. _____________________________________________________________________ ("We're leaving, if it has to be over your dead body."––hero, (w,stte), a MAD satire) |
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Quoted: I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. I suspect it's a million times worse with social media? Look how rotten adults behave on the Internet, can you imagine a couple dozen 12 year old girls after you on Faceboook? No thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. |
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Fighting gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. True, I am glad mine are grown already (youngest has 20 days left)...And no grandkids yet to worry about. |
I drove by a Catholic school in town last week and there were three Catholic school boys pelting a fourth boy with gravel on the playground. And these are pretty much small town nice family middle-upper middle class kids. Couldn't pay me to be a kid now Not that we didn't throw rocks at each other, but damn, kids are mean little savages
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. I was bullied in grade school. Really really bad. Now a days, with the Internet, bullying is pretty much unavoidable. I eventually got to the point of having to physically stop the bullies, as the teacher/admin would not. |
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I drove by a Catholic school in town last week and there were three Catholic school boys pelting a fourth boy with gravel on the playground. And these are pretty much small town nice family middle-upper middle class kids. Couldn't pay me to be a kid now Not that we didn't throw rocks at each other, but damn, kids are mean little savages Ever read "Lord of the Flies?" It's not really a new phenomenon. My sons have learned to not get into fights. On school property. Seems to work. |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. Well that's the part that needs to change. Sometimes a good ass kicking, or threat of it, can do wonders. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting defending yourself gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. lets boil it down to what it really is. |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. Well that's the part that needs to change. Sometimes a good ass kicking, or threat of it, can do wonders. But is that the proper course in today's world? Does giving the bully a bloody nose end it.................or does he show up with his friends to reassert his rule? Is the world the same, zero tolerance aside, as we remember it when we were kids? __________________________________________________________________________________ ("You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Capone. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?"––Malone, (w,stte), "The Untouchables") |
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My boys (23 and 21) were taught that everything has a consequence....fighting included. And they had to decide if the consequence was worth it.
If they got in a fight for a stupid reason, my punishment would be worse than the schools. If they were ever a bully, see above. If they didn't help out the weaker kid, see above. They grew up to be great young men, got into a few fights but never for the wrong reasons. I was a little bit of a bully when I was in my teens, and i am especially embarrassed to say that. I hate a bully. |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting defending yourself gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. lets boil it down to what it really is. Liability reduction. Zero tolerance––actually, zero thinking––is about liability reduction. Letting schools' staff think; letting them reason in this world of the frivilous lawsuit we live in, invites liability. Don't blame the school. Again, the core of the problem is a lack of meaningful voter qualification. Judges are either elected or appointed by people who are elected. Politicians and/or judges are selected by a popularity contest, called an "election". |
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I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Strangely enough, the 2 kids in the movie that stopped the bullies used force. The best friend of the 11 year old that killed himself fought a bully and stopped his personal harassment. Another girl brandished a gun on the school bus. I'm trying not to spoil the events in the movie, even though it is a documentary. However, a 17 year old that hung himself was shown in videos to be doing Taekwondo forms. I wasn't said if he ever fought. Snowleopard, I have no answers. I spent the whole movie dissecting what I could do different for my child. Not to blame the parents, but rather to learn from their mistakes. Throwing money at the problem won't help. Some of the families were poor though others obviously had means. The administrators are ineffective, naive, unconcerned or all three. The parents seem at a loss trying to connect to kids that don't tell them what really goes on in school. My dad taught me to fight back against a bully, and I did. I was given in school suspension, but lord knows what they would have done to me these days. I think fighting back is an answer, and the main kid's dad suggests that. However, this kid wasnt going win any fights. He was born at 26 weeks, and was not very athletic. A lot of the main kid's torment came on the bus. I thought a simple solution would be to remove the bus privileges of offenders. The parents may not care about what their kid does in school or may be addicted or whatever, but they Will care if they have to haul JR to school each day. I would bet the behavior would improve. |
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. I suspect it's a million times worse with social media? Look how rotten adults behave on the Internet, can you imagine a couple dozen 12 year old girls after you on Faceboook? No thanks. Amen. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I searched and didn't find a thread discussing this movie. I saw it tonight, and it made me want to come home and hug my 2 year old. Then never let him out of the house. It brings up a subject that needs to be talked about, and I encourage you to see it. I can't imagine what could drive an 11 year old to shoot himself. Having not seen it, I am something a loss in this posting. But two things. First of all, you realize, yes, that never letting them out of the house is not the correct course of action. Secondly, with that in mind and with you know, do you have a suggestion? ___________________________________________________________ ("Liberator is surrounded by three pursuit ships. This one has done all of the firing, so we don't have to worry about it. This one has done none of the firing, that's the command ship. Okay, we're going for it, not over or around it but through it."––Blake, (w,stte), Blake's 7, "Duel") Stop telling kids they are God's gift to the World and teach them that sometimes it's ok to fight. Fighting gets you kicked out of school now and potentially involved with social services. Doesn't matter if the other kid called your mom a whore or hit you first. Well that's the part that needs to change. Sometimes a good ass kicking, or threat of it, can do wonders. I don't foresee schools backing down from their "Zero Tolerance" policy, stupid brightline rules are easy for small minds to enforce. Also sometimes the asshole just beats the good guy to a pulp.
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I don't mean to be ignorant or insensitive, but how is bullying any worse than when we were kids? I was born in 1972 and kids were quite cruel to each other when I was growing up. It seems to me that perhaps we have given children nowadays a false sense of self-esteem and accomplishment and maybe it's just that they can't handle the situation like we could. Flame me if you like. I think it's partially that, and parents teach their kids to be pacifists. People tend to not fuck with the kid that will hit you, even if he'd lose the fight. Bullies like easy targets that don't do shit back. I got bullied a bit till I told my dad. He didn't tell me to cheer up, or the "sticks and stones" shit, he told me to dish it right back, get the kid to push me or throw the first punch, then try to kick his ass. I wouldn't say I won that fight, but I wasn't bullied anymore either. the answer to bullying is standing up for yourself. not after it is a problem, but right the fuck away, otherwise the problem just compounds itself. I was tried by bullies twice in my younger years, and one time ended up in a 2 on 1 fist fight(respectably held my own despite the odds) the other was left as the bully moving on to softer targets when i have kids i will bring this up a few times before they encounter a bully. a suspension is far better than a kid dreading going to school every day. that can not only affect them exceptionally, but also take their mind off of being a kid and getting a education. |