[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Dogs of Peace (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/16/2004 4:38:53 AM EDT
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Pet pit bull kills 8-month-old Fight between family dogs turns deadly for boy Associated Press NACOGDOCHES - An 8-month-old boy was killed Thursday after being attacked by his grandmother's pit bull, police said. Jordan Lee Parker died of massive head injuries Thursday morning at the family home just outside the Nacogdoches city limits, said Nacogdoches County Sheriff Thomas Kerss. The dog, which had no history of aggression, had been fighting with another pet, a smaller terrier, Kerss said. He said the boy's grandmother, Sonya Dailey, 44, was trying to separate the animals when the dog grabbed the child's head. Kerss said the dog freed the child within seconds. He was dead when authorities arrived. "The dog was extremely docile, even when we arrived," Kerss said. He said the boy's mother, Tessa Parker, told authorities the dog had lived with the family for 14 years. Kerss said the dog was taken to an animal shelter. An autopsy was scheduled and no charges were expected to be filed, he said.
Except for the part where it killed the baby.  |
One thing for sure... If the lady had a chiquaqua, the baby would still be alive. People should not own pit bulls for the same reason they shouldn't own lions. |
Oh GOD not another Pit bashing thread!! Why Lord? Why must people that own guns like AR 15s seem incapable of seeing the paralell between what the media has done to Pit bulls and what it has done to ARs. If this had happened with a chiuaha it wouldn't have made the news. Come on people. This woman had no sense. |
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GODDAMNIT.... AR15s won't fucking jump off the table and shoot somebody on their own, that's the difference. Why can't you pit owners understand the damn difference? My wife got torn the fuck up with no warning by one of your sweet Dogs of Peace. |
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Because there is no parallel. AR15s cannot jump up and , by themselves, go postal and hurt anyone. They are just inanimate objects. Pit bulls are not. They are irrational, dangerous, and unpredictable animals. And, as I stated, we do not allow people to own lions, tigers, or such and have them where the animals can harm others. Why do we allow people to own these dangerous dogs?
Agreed that she had no sense. However, if this had indeed happened "with a chiuaha", it would not have made the news because a chiuaha is not capable of grabbing a child's head in it's jaws and crushing the baby's head, causing death. |
EXACTLY!!!. 2IDdoc...that was a stupid analogy. |
Because guns aren't capable of independent action. They just lay there until somebody picks them up (just like a rock). Not so with a dangerous animal. I don't care about the breed's history or temperment, I think it's stupid to maintain an animal that thas the capacity to kill you. My mutt doesn't, so I don't worry about it. Neither do my goldfish. But the pitbull with the bone-crushing jaws does. |
OP, sir What do you suggest, a state wide ban, federal ban, or municipal ban? Normaly there are a lot of things we agree on, However you thinking that you could have the right to Allow me to own anything baffels me. Who the hell is we, and what gives them the real ultimate power. Please stop trying to control people, if they want to own a lion bad enough they will fucking get one. |
you are quite wrong my friend. while they are not good to have around other pets (they are game dog after all) they are statistically the BEST or within the top 5 BEST dogs to have in teh family for a multitude of reasons, one being they are not prone to biting humans. bottom line is this: THE WORDS PIT-BULL ARE USED BY THE MEDIA AS A CATCH PHRASE TO DESCRIBE AND AND ALL FIGHTING DOGS OF ANY BREED. i'm sure that there is some actual pit-bull in the pedigree of some of the dogs involved in these bite cases, but most of the reported fighting and biting dogs are mixed breed, untrained, back alley, mutts. period, end of story. the assault weapons analogy is 100% true. all you people screaming "guns can't just jump down and start shooting, blah, blah, blah" are missing the point. ever notice how most guns involved in shootings are called "assault weapons"? i know you do. remember that nut bag in the van that shot the cops with an SKS not too long ago? the news reported it as an "assault-type weapon" and all you folks filpped your shit and went on a fire mission aimed at local gun dealers and news outlets. why? because they were incorrectly using terminology to polarize the public. that's how the news uses "pit-bull". they use the name to create the "shock and awe" necessary to gain reader/viewer-ship. papers don't sell when it reads "baby bitten by 40lb. mixed breed dies later in ICU". |
You raise a good question. I am certainly a supporter of limited government. But if people desire to do things that cause a danger to society, government has a responsibility to pass laws to will prevent these dangerous actions. When people live in close communities as we do nowadays, we have to have respect for others. If you lived alone in the desert, with no one within miles of you, I really wouldn't care if you owned a lion. But if you live next door to me, I have a right to be free from the worry of your lion getting lose and eating my grandkids. I am the world's biggest supporter to the right to keep and bare arms. I love to go shooting and burn up large quantities of ammo. But I also realize that society has a right and responsibility to tell me I can't shoot my rifles in my front yard in the city. There is nothing unreasonable about society limiting people from doing things that either endanger others or disturb the peace of the community. As I said, pit bulls are like lions. They are unacceptably dangerous. They should be outlawed by local governments, if the local citizens support such laws. |
Goddamnit, I don't care if you call it a pit bull, an American Staffordshire Terrier, or a fucking fluffy bunny. We all know what we're talking about here. |
but it does make a difference when you call every dog that attacks a pit-bull regardless of what the actual breed is. check out my above [now completed] post. |
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no, mixed breed fighting dogs are know to be "unpredictably dangerous", "extremely powerfull", and typically display the personality "flip". you are buying what the media is selling you. go ask your (or a local) vet, or check a dog breed book out of your library. REAL bull breeds are known to have THE MOST STABLE PERSONALITIES of any dog breed. they are not unpredictable and do not flip. that's a fact. and us owners of legit dogs get shit on because people like you think this because you hear it on the news and eat it up. for all you people bashing the actual breed [who'se name is being used to describe something else] but still advise others to "educate your anti-gun friends"... i suggest you do the same. talk to a real animal handler before you start painting with that broad brush. the facts are in black and white, and they are easy to find. edited to add: remember, if every gun were put on the assault weapons list, the government could legitimately say that all gun crimes are committed with assault weapons using their definition of what an AW is. just because someone calls it a pit-bull, does not mean it actually is a pit-bull |
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I have been around alot of dogs in my life...both in and out of Law Enforcement...including LE K9's...on duty I have encountered Pits, Rots, German Sheps and Dobermans....every Pit I encountered was unstable and prone to unpredictable attacks...I watched one that had to be put down by a fellow officer because had cornered a child... Now I have nothing personal against Pits, I don't know why any one would want one, but I'm not infavor of wiping out the species....however, they are not dogs that need to be around kids.... There are dogs that a owner should have to have a licence for...and Pits are one of those... |
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you just made the point i was trying to make. i'd be willing to bet that if you took some blood from these so-called "pits" and had it tested, there wouldn't be too much actual bull dog in the dna. a mastiff/bull/terrier/other dog that looks like what you think a pit bull should look like is NOT ACTUALLY A PIT BULL. it's a mutt that has bloodlines of several agressive dogs in it. i'd also be will to bet the types of people you were running into while you were on duty weren't dog breeders, were they? i'd be willing to bet they were mostly scum-bags. i agree with everyone about getting rid of overly agressive, tempermental, street dogs. these animals are a nuisance at best, deadly at worst. but don't just call them pits because they fight or they bit someone, or they look a certain way. |
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Yeah... whatever. I don't buy media bullshit. 100% of the pits I have been around (4), purebred all of them, have been psychotically unpredictable. My opinion is formed from personal observation. Oops, forgot one. That was the one that attacked my wife. I blew its fucking brains out, so at least it won't do it again. |
well, that's fine, because i'm not really buying your b.s. on the psychotically unpredictable dogs either, so we'll just have to disagree. i'm sorry to hear about your wife though, i would have done the same [without a second though and without a spot of guilt]. so i can see where you are coming from. i've been around a LOT of animals, i even worked in a vet clinic for a while and an animal shelter for quite some time. the only legit breed APBT i had ever seen that was unstable had been burned with cigarettes and shot by his owner. the dog was seized, the man was arrested. |
One thing for sure... If the lady used some fricking common sense and kept her 8 month old grandchild away from dogs, the baby would still be alive. If we fricking outlawed dogs completely, this would not have happened. [Stupid] people should not own pit bulls (or pretty much any animal for that matter) for the same reason they shouldn't own lions. BECAUSE THEY'RE FRICKING STUPID AND CAN'T HANDLE THE FRICKING RESPONSIBILITY. Would you leave an 8 month old baby crawling around by a horse, or a cow? FRICK NO. I wouldn't let an 8 month old baby play with a 100+ pound Golden Retriever or a Labrador either, because at the heart of it, it's still an animal, and it doesn't have the same capacity for reason that [some] humans do. [Edited for CoC] You've latched onto some hot button issue that you can scream about to make yourselves feel betterEdited for CoC]. God forbid this idiot woman used some good judgement. Oh frick no. Gotta be the dog. Kill 'em all. No one should have [insert bad breed du jour here. Nope. Do it for the children. Safety safety safety. |
Certanly I understand this, It just seemed as though you were looking for an outright and total ban, and that seems a bit ott. I also know that changing you mind on the breed isn't going to happen, I would however like to point out that compairing petey from the little rascals to a lion is giving the dog a little too much credit. Bottom line is ANY dog can attack & kill an infant and any large dog can do the same to an adult. I however, will concede that pit bulls are among the strongest of the breeds and sadly do tend to attract shit for owners. |
You might want to lighten up, Francis. And learn some new words. And also read the Code of Conduct. |
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2IDdoc: I guess I have the wrong impression of my neighbor's pit bull that got loose, walked over to MY property and bit me on the forearm when I reached dwon to grab it's collar for the owner. I didn't kick or otherwise threaten, abuse or intimidate the dog. If you think I'm bullshitting here  if we ever meet at an ARFcom shoot I'll show you the scars on my forearm.NO, I didn't sue. He's a friend of mine. Friends are more important than money. |
Certanly I understand this, It just seemed as though you were looking for an outright and total ban, and that seems a bit ott. I also know that changing you mind on the breed isn't going to happen, I would however like to point out that compairing petey from the little rascals to a lion is giving the dog a little too much credit. Bottom line is ANY dog can attack & kill an infant and any large dog can do the same to an adult. I however, will concede that pit bulls are among the strongest of the breeds and sadly do tend to attract shit for owners. |
I have to agree with QS. I have only been around a few real APBT's. One was real sweet, but just snapped one day and bit the guy that owned him. Another was average, it would bark at strangers, was pretty quiet around the family. However, it would just "snap" once in a while and run at whoever was near, barking and acting aggressive. Just for a couple seconds, like making a point. Don't think it ever bit anyone. The last didn't bother trying to be sweet, at least to me. A good friend of mine was staying with another guy that I know vaguely. I went to visit him, the guy had this pit that was a total asshole. I showed up and the dog just barked at the door. My buddy told the dog to shut up and opened the door and told me "come on in dude". At this point the dog got all in my face growling and barking. My friend had to grab his collar and pull him back to let me in and put the dog in the garage. We went out in the garage a bit later and the dog came running right at me again. No matter which way I turned, the fucker would match me move for move. My buddy grabbed the dogs ball on a rope toy, the fucking thing launched 3 feet in the air and grabbed it, then hung from it and went native on the damn thing trying to tear it to shit. I was not real comfortable with the whole thing. He hands me a toy, the dog drops and corners me. I told my buddy "get this dog away from me". The whole time he's trying to tell me "this guy's a sweetheart, he just likes to play". Yeah right. Fucking thing was aggressive as hell. After a couple of visits, he calmed down a little bit. But he would still just stop whatever he was doing at random and run at me barking, the only way to stop his aggression was to stop moving and maintain a steady posture. That took a little concentration. It was generally whenever I would actually look at the damn thing. If I was a cop, I would have shot the fucker for sure. NONE of these dogs were abused. That is the sum of my personal experience with Pits. You can guess what I think. |
Does the AKC even recognise the American Pit Bull Terrier...? Why don't you post a pic of these stable dogs?...so we know what they look like.....since everyone here thinks what a pit is, is actually a mixed breed I have no problem with the line of bull dogs...English bull terriers ect.. but Pits, as I know them are inherently powerful, unpredictable and no suited for pets. -HS |
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You might want to lighten up, Francis. And learn some new words. And also read the Code of Conduct. Okay, Sergeant "Big Toe" Hulka, I've learned some new words and edited out the bad words. I've also edited my post for CoC issues. You may wish to learn about sentence fragments; if you promise to do that, I promise to work on my vocabulary. Now that the offensive language and attacks are out of the way, care to respond to the post? Would you leave an 8 month old baby around ANY large animal, or even just an animal bigger than the baby? |
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All you have to do is look @ my avatar to see "the real deal". I bred these dogs for many years in Indiana, up until last year when I moved to NV. Several people from this website have met "Debo": Edward Avila, Gunbert, Wolfpack, KnockItOff, and Brasspile, first come to mind. I honestly don't think they would say anything bad about him, and not just because he's my dog. This...  to this...  EricE |
No, that's the point only SOME of you are trying to make. I can agree with this. Everyone has to look at their own situation and determine what's best for their family. I just get my undies in a wad when people who are almost completely ignorant of the issue try to dictate what I should or shouldn't be able to do, because once upon a time they met some retarded, poorly-bred and untrained animal. |
Yeah, how about a $200 tax stamp and manditory CLEO sign off...  When are you guys going to realize it. Stupid people will always find SOME way to get themselves (or in this case their children or grandchildren) killed, no matter how hard we try to protect them. Banning shit only delays the inevitable. Remember that guy named Darwin? |
AKC recognizes them as American Staffordshire Terrier in recognition of where the breed was thought to have originally been bred and [initially] to distance themselves from the bear-baiting, bull-baiting, and dog fighting from the early days. i'm having a brain fart right now, but the other major kennel-type association that most of you would recognize the name of, but for the life of me i can't get the damned name out right now, was actually started to recognize the American Pit Bull Terrier as it was, without playing the PC game. they are essentially the same breed, but i think they have started to diverge *slightly* over the past 10 - 20 years as the AKC promotes appearance standards over anything else. edited to add: HKocher and napalm are on point here. it really does come down to personal responsability. andHKocher, don't go giving anyone a bright ideas [tax stamp]  . i can't afford the taxes i have to pay now, i don't need to start paying on my dog too! |
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chiquauqua? |
"Frick" ain't much of a word, but it's an improvement. 
Good for you. Good men can have differences of opinion without calling each other names.
It's a deal.
Now that's a good question. And the obvious answer is, No. But I would have less of a problem with a large bunny rabbit than a small rattle snake. The point is that many animals can be dangerous. I don't really care if you want to own a pit bull. Go right ahead. As long as you live way out in the country where the dog is no threat to my grandkids. But if you live next door to me, I have a right to be free from fear of my grandkids lives when they play in my yard. As a matter of fact, my back-yard neighbor had a pit bull that attacked the fence every time I mowed the grass. I was afraid to let my grandkids play in the back yard in case he broke through the fence. I carried a pistol every time in went into the yard. (Happily, they got rid of the vicious beast.) |