[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Hunt for Red October (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/10/2007 6:35:48 PM EDT
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First off, it's an awesome movie. Has anyone else noticed A&E has been showing it on Sunday morning a lot lately? Secondly, could that propulsion system really work? Could you have a jet engine under water? |
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The British perfected the pumpjet on their SSN's and now we use them on the Seawolf and Virginia class SSN's. |
You perked my interest. More info? |
Here are the specs for the Seawolf and Virginia classes, not much info on them. The most I have seen was in Tom Clancy's book on SSN's. Seawolf Virginia-class ETA: The Pumpjets are extremely quiet and give instantaneous response without the worry of cavitation. A big advance over propellers!!! |
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Can you launch an ICBM horizontally? Sure, why would you want to? ************** I wish to marry a round American woman and raise rabbits and she will cook them for me. ******************* They let you do that? Travel State to state? State to state. No papers? No papers. ******************** Pavarotti coming out their asses. Meanwhile Jones here... ******************** This thing will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live throught it. |
Yes. I can't recall the name now but a former Naval Officer, submarine sailor and former ONI, should probably have gotten co-author status on Hunt for Red. That is per Clancy by the way. T |
That's a given, BUT I think that the movie was the best adaptation that they could of done without making it a 12hr mini-series.
I gotta disagree with ya there, I think The One That Shall Not be Named did a better job as Ryan than Ford did. And a Hell of a lot better than Edward Burns  did. (Yes, I know that was actually the Affleck guy...) |
(Very annoying at parties)
Jack Ryan is the reluctant hero. As much The One That Shall Not Be Named can go fuck himself, I think he portrayed Ryan very much like how I imagined him from the books. Ford was excellent as well! |
There are NO SILENT drives. A diesel sub running on batteries is a very tough adversary though there is an uninformed contingent here that appears to believe diesel subs are nothing to worry about. Add an AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) system to our diesel sub and you have a damned nightmare to fight from an SSN. Detection range by either sub will be close, very close............perhaps within 5,000 yards. Unfortunately, there is a decent likelihood that both subs would die. T |
Larry Bond He wrote a few good book himself. |
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Submariner uncle of mine is intellectually on another plane of existence from the rest of us. This prevents him from communicating effectively with anyone other than others with an IQ in the just under 200 range. This causes him to be extremely dull. He damn near danced a jig when he told me about Clancy's 1st 2 books. They caused more animation in him than I've seen in the 3 decades I've known him combined. Movie gets better every time I see it. I've gotta read his early books again. |
Unfortunately the boat I was on had a standard screw. We had a cavitation indicator that would tell us if we were getting on it too fast. If we weren't paying attention, Control or Sonar would call back and shit on us (me). Since we didn't have the pumpjet propulsor (as it's called in the tech manuals) I never really gave much thought to learning how it worked. From what I read with a bit of googling, it basically is a set of blades, maybe some stationary with a foil shaped ring around it that reduces cavitation. BTW: Cavitation is the formation and subsequent collapse of steam bubbles in water. Basically, the trailing edge of a propeller blade causes enough of a drip in pressure that the water in that area basically boils. The next blade comes around and causes an increase in pressure which rapidly collapses the bubbles, creating a POP sound. Many thousands of these at a time make a shitload of noise. "RIGHT FULL RUDDER! REVERSE STARBOARD ENGINE!" As a good aside: Music: Red October has outstanding music. Composed by Basil Polydouris. He also composed the music for the epic ARFcom documentary "Red Dawn."  |
Thanks sherrick. -------------------------------------------------------- A little aside and again per Clancey. The final decision to make Hunt for Red a single author book was based on economics. Seems that books with dual authors do NOT sell as well as those with single authors. T |
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"Active sonar. One ping only." ... IIRC HFRO was one of the books Clancy was alleged to have written completely by himself... After playing a modern naval warfare boardgame sim called "Harpoon" he came up with the idea for the book. This is going off memory here but that's what I recall. I had wanted to get into Harpoon but never got the chance. 
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And note.......... the active sonar was equipped to transmit a SINGLE PING. Push one button and you get one, single ping. Actually used in a situation where range has not been established. The sub will make a single ping, wait for range verification, enter range data and immediately shoot. Sub will shoot even if range data does not confirm. 'Single ping and shoot.' If the sub transmits, the sub is going to shoot and shoot almost immediately. Sequence might be sorta like this: Warshots are loaded in tubes 1 & 4 Need range verification to complete firing solution Sonar, single ping the target Open the outer (torpedo tube) doors(blast shields) Sonar reports range is 18,400 yds. Range data is entered and firing solution is completed Shoot tubes 1 & 4. Tubes 1 & 4 fired electrically Torpedoes running hot, staright and normal Close the outer doors Let's get our asses out of here. T |
+1.
I completely disagree. Despite being a leftist scumbag idiot, Alex Baldwin is EXACTLY the way I always envisioned Jack Ryan. Connery came pretty close to Raimius. ETA: Oh, and William Dafoe is TOTALLY WRONG as Clark. 
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I like Ford in most movies but he wasn't a great Ryan. Baldwin was better. |
I agree completely. Baldwin was exactly the Ryan I envisioned when I read the books. Ford is probably my favorite actor but just wasn't cast right in the Ryan role. |