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4/22/2016 11:11:20 PM EDT
Draft is less than a week away, some crazy trades so far... who do you guys like for your team??

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4/22/2016 11:14:48 PM EDT
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going to be a good draft for a bunch of Buckeyes, but the Browns are going to Browns
4/22/2016 11:16:38 PM EDT
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i'm a skins fan and still really like RGIII... i hope he does well and your franchise goes in the right direction... but the browns could still brown...
4/22/2016 11:18:24 PM EDT
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I'm hoping the Cowboys take Ramsey (if the Chargers don't), but they'll probably take Bosa.
4/22/2016 11:23:21 PM EDT
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I'm looking forward to Belichick reaching for a player with a 6th round grade in the 2nd.
4/22/2016 11:37:57 PM EDT
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skins at 21... i'm not really sure who to root for them to pick up, definitely not a CB or QB...
4/22/2016 11:41:03 PM EDT
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Not excited for my niners.

And in before all the fuckin guys that never played sports and think pro sports are nonsense.
4/22/2016 11:57:51 PM EDT
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I'm not tin foil hat, sports are rigged guy, but the Rams got the #1 trade because the NFL wanted them to have it. The Rams have to be in the spotlight AND be successful all year long. And having their name be the first name King Roger gets up and says next week is the right place to start.
That being said, moving to LA doesn't mean the players don't suck and the ownership doesn't suck.
4/23/2016 12:58:58 AM EDT
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Hoping Elliott is there at 13 for the dolphins.  If not a trade back for more picks. They have too many holes to fill.
4/23/2016 1:01:27 AM EDT
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They could easily trade up with the Chargers to make sure they get him. But we all know JJ will fuck it up.
4/23/2016 1:06:14 AM EDT
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My draftboard for the Bucs at 9:



Bosa

Ramsey

Tunsil

Jack

Buckner

Stanley

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Really hoping they can manage to land one of those top 4 guys, but would take a stroke of luck and someone freaking out and taking Lynch way too early.
4/23/2016 2:52:56 AM EDT
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I'm curious where the Arkansas RBs, QB, and TE will land.
4/23/2016 2:55:29 AM EDT
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All in Dallas if the senile wizard gets his way.
4/23/2016 7:27:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, he definitely does have a tendency to grab players much sooner than their projections suggest they can be grabbed. I suppose he gets away with it because of that one time he drafted a number 1 pick at 199.
4/23/2016 7:31:57 AM EDT
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In. Colts better use first 3 picks on o line. If they draft a receiver 1st again I'll lose my shit.
4/23/2016 7:40:24 AM EDT
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I disagree, the Rams gave up a lot of picks in order to move up and if they take a QB and he shats the bed then that may push the franchise back for 3-4 years.
4/23/2016 10:49:28 AM EDT
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Hoping for a monster DT for my Bengals or possibly a trade down a bit.
4/23/2016 10:53:16 AM EDT
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Hoping the Ravens get Jack or Ramsey, if we knew for sure Jack was healthy, he would be my number 1 pick. I'd also be good with tunsil if he was going to be the next ogden.
4/23/2016 10:56:14 AM EDT
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I'm guessing they're going to go with a LT since Monroe can't be counted on for anything besides an injury.

I'd try and get back into the early 20's if Apple is still there but that isn't Ozzie's style.
4/23/2016 11:04:12 AM EDT
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I'm guessing they're going to go with a LT since Monroe can't be counted on for anything besides an injury.

I'd try and get back into the early 20's if Apple is still there but that isn't Ozzie's style.
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Hoping the Ravens get Jack or Ramsey, if we knew for sure Jack was healthy, he would be my number 1 pick. I'd also be good with tunsil if he was going to be the next ogden.


I'm guessing they're going to go with a LT since Monroe can't be counted on for anything besides an injury.

I'd try and get back into the early 20's if Apple is still there but that isn't Ozzie's style.


True, if the ravens don't trade back and they choose stanley, I will be pissed. I'd even be fine with buckner, I really want a standout defensive player with our first pick. The defense hasn't been itself since lewis and reed left. My thinking behind jack, is that he would pair amazingly well with mosley. And if the Ravens needed a safety, I'd love for them to grab Joseph in the second round.
4/23/2016 11:09:33 AM EDT
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True, if the ravens don't trade back and they choose stanley, I will be pissed. I'd even be fine with buckner, I really want a standout defensive player with our first pick. The defense hasn't been itself since lewis and reed left. My thinking behind jack, is that he would pair amazingly well with mosley.
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Hoping the Ravens get Jack or Ramsey, if we knew for sure Jack was healthy, he would be my number 1 pick. I'd also be good with tunsil if he was going to be the next ogden.


I'm guessing they're going to go with a LT since Monroe can't be counted on for anything besides an injury.

I'd try and get back into the early 20's if Apple is still there but that isn't Ozzie's style.


True, if the ravens don't trade back and they choose stanley, I will be pissed. I'd even be fine with buckner, I really want a standout defensive player with our first pick. The defense hasn't been itself since lewis and reed left. My thinking behind jack, is that he would pair amazingly well with mosley.


Buckner would be my pick but seeing the Chargers and Cowboys need help on that side of the ball he might be gone.

I wouldn't be shocked if both Buckner and the Ramsey were gone at 3 and 4.  As far as Jack I'd stay away from players who have suffered a major injury in the last year or so.
4/23/2016 11:17:28 AM EDT
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I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

If he isn't then I don't think they'd bat an eye at Doctson if he's there.
4/23/2016 12:28:42 PM EDT
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Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.
4/23/2016 12:31:39 PM EDT
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Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.
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Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.


They've missed on more of their picks than not.  I wouldn't be surprised if they missed on this draft.
4/23/2016 12:49:44 PM EDT
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I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

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Hoping for a monster DT for my Bengals or possibly a trade down a bit.

I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

If he isn't then I don't think they'd bat an eye at Doctson if he's there.

The Cowboys traded up from 27 to 24 to get Dez Bryant and all they gave up was a 3rd round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick.  I think it's pretty much the same deal for the Bengals.  If they really want Treadwell then moving up 2-3 spots would almost certainly be enough.  

Treadwell actually kind of reminds me of Dez the way he attacks the ball while most receivers seem to simply wait for it to come to them.  I haven't seen Coleman and Doctson play enough to say whether Treadwell is decidedly the best overall WR in the draft, but based on what I've seen I do think he's the best at making plays on 50/50 balls and, all things being equal, will be the best in the redzone.
4/23/2016 1:03:54 PM EDT
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A lot of "experts" are saying the 49ers will most likely use the #7 pick on Paxton Lynch.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.  First off, Lynch isn't a first round talent, much less an early first round talent. Secondly, if the 49ers really wanted him they could trade as far down as 28 and he'd pretty much be guaranteed to still be there.   Even if all they got was one late 2nd round pick in exchange it'd still be better than nothing and they'd get the same player they wanted.
4/23/2016 1:12:21 PM EDT
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I'm not tin foil hat, sports are rigged guy, but the Rams got the #1 trade because the NFL wanted them to have it. The Rams have to be in the spotlight AND be successful all year long. And having their name be the first name King Roger gets up and says next week is the right place to start.
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If it was rigged and the NFL wanted them to have the #1 pick, they would have come up with a much more balanced trade in that deal....

The Rams traded a lot of valuable picks to a team that didn't really need the #1 overall pick anyways. The Titans came out way ahead in that trade. The Rams are desperate to draft a franchise QB and build a fan base this year and they made a big gamble on trying to accomplish that. They didn't need the NFL to rig anything.
4/23/2016 1:13:34 PM EDT
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The Cowboys traded up from 27 to 24 to get Dez Bryant and all they gave up was a 3rd round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick.  I think it's pretty much the same deal for the Bengals.  If they really want Treadwell then moving up 2-3 spots would almost certainly be enough.  

Treadwell actually kind of reminds me of Dez the way he attacks the ball while most receivers seem to simply wait for it to come to them.  I haven't seen Coleman and Doctson play enough to say whether Treadwell is decidedly the best overall WR in the draft, but based on what I've seen I do think he's the best at making plays on 50/50 balls and, all things being equal, will be the best in the redzone.
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Hoping for a monster DT for my Bengals or possibly a trade down a bit.

I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

If he isn't then I don't think they'd bat an eye at Doctson if he's there.

The Cowboys traded up from 27 to 24 to get Dez Bryant and all they gave up was a 3rd round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick.  I think it's pretty much the same deal for the Bengals.  If they really want Treadwell then moving up 2-3 spots would almost certainly be enough.  

Treadwell actually kind of reminds me of Dez the way he attacks the ball while most receivers seem to simply wait for it to come to them.  I haven't seen Coleman and Doctson play enough to say whether Treadwell is decidedly the best overall WR in the draft, but based on what I've seen I do think he's the best at making plays on 50/50 balls and, all things being equal, will be the best in the redzone.


They would have to jump further than 3 spots as those are all WR needy teams.  They would have to jump to atleast the 20th pick.

Thats saying that the Raiders, lions and bills don't take a WR.  Also Dez was coming off a 8-9 game suspension coming out of college.
4/23/2016 1:19:03 PM EDT
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Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.
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In. Colts better use first 3 picks on o line. If they draft a receiver 1st again I'll lose my shit.

Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.


Give me two solid linemen and a LB. if they go offensive skill position in first 4 picks I will again lose my shit.

Watch. They let TE fleener (he was pretty decent) go to give TE Allen (I like to get hurt) big bucks, they'll draft another TE with pick 2.
4/23/2016 1:20:37 PM EDT
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This makes absolutely no sense to me.  First off, Lynch isn't a first round talent, much less an early first round talent. Secondly, if the 49ers really wanted him they could trade as far down as 28 and he'd pretty much be guaranteed to still be there.   Even if all they got was one late 2nd round pick in exchange it'd still be better than nothing and they'd get the same player they wanted.
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I agree that would be terrible and I can honestly see the 9ers trading back into the first round giving up a 2nd and 4th or 5th round picks to get get to 25-27/28.  I would count trading with the stealers unless Apple or another DB is off the board.

The 9ers would be best served getting the best defensive player available or trade down a few picks and get Treadwell.

I really hope that Seattle addresses the Oline with more than a 4th rd draft pick.
4/23/2016 1:21:53 PM EDT
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They would have to jump further than 3 spots as those are all WR needy teams.  They would have to jump to atleast the 20th pick.

Thats saying that the Raiders, lions and bills don't take a WR.  Also Dez was coming off a 8-9 game suspension coming out of college.
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Hoping for a monster DT for my Bengals or possibly a trade down a bit.

I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

If he isn't then I don't think they'd bat an eye at Doctson if he's there.

The Cowboys traded up from 27 to 24 to get Dez Bryant and all they gave up was a 3rd round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick.  I think it's pretty much the same deal for the Bengals.  If they really want Treadwell then moving up 2-3 spots would almost certainly be enough.  

Treadwell actually kind of reminds me of Dez the way he attacks the ball while most receivers seem to simply wait for it to come to them.  I haven't seen Coleman and Doctson play enough to say whether Treadwell is decidedly the best overall WR in the draft, but based on what I've seen I do think he's the best at making plays on 50/50 balls and, all things being equal, will be the best in the redzone.

They would have to jump further than 3 spots as those are all WR needy teams.  They would have to jump to atleast the 20th pick.

Thats saying that the Raiders, lions and bills don't take a WR.  Also Dez was coming off a 8-9 game suspension coming out of college.

The Bengals are at 24.  Jumping up 3 spots would put them at 21 and the the 20th pick (the Jets) is not a WR needy team. I mean it's always possibly they could go WR, but I don't recall any mock drafts having them do so.

And as far as Dez dropping: I was talking about doing what the Cowboys did to get Byrant.  Waiting until he was still there a few picks away from you and THEN trading up to get him and giving up next to nothing to do so. Not why he was there.
4/23/2016 1:23:52 PM EDT
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Give me two solid linemen and a LB. if they go offensive skill position in first 4 picks I will again lose my shit.

Watch. They let TE fleener (he was pretty decent) go to give TE Allen (I like to get hurt) big bucks, they'll draft another TE with pick 2.
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In. Colts better use first 3 picks on o line. If they draft a receiver 1st again I'll lose my shit.

Well last year they desperately needed help on defense and pretty much all they drafted was offense so I wouldn't be shocked if they royally fuck it up again.


Give me two solid linemen and a LB. if they go offensive skill position in first 4 picks I will again lose my shit.

Watch. They let TE fleener (he was pretty decent) go to give TE Allen (I like to get hurt) big bucks, they'll draft another TE with pick 2.


They really should try to trade up to get one of the 3 LT in the top 10 unless you like to see Luck on his back as much as I do.

They would be best served trying get the best Oline/Pass rush on the board if they don't trade up.
4/23/2016 1:27:39 PM EDT
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The Bengals are at 24.  Jumping up 3 spots would put them at 21 and the the 20th pick (the Jets) is not a WR needy team. I mean it's always possibly they could go WR, but I don't recall any mock drafts having them do so.

And as far as Dez dropping: I was talking about doing what the Cowboys did to get Byrant.  Waiting until he was still there a few picks away from you and THEN trading up to get him and giving up next to nothing to do so. Not why he was there.
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Hoping for a monster DT for my Bengals or possibly a trade down a bit.

I can see them trying to trade up for Treadwell because I don't see him there at 24.

If he isn't then I don't think they'd bat an eye at Doctson if he's there.

The Cowboys traded up from 27 to 24 to get Dez Bryant and all they gave up was a 3rd round pick in exchange for a 4th round pick.  I think it's pretty much the same deal for the Bengals.  If they really want Treadwell then moving up 2-3 spots would almost certainly be enough.  

Treadwell actually kind of reminds me of Dez the way he attacks the ball while most receivers seem to simply wait for it to come to them.  I haven't seen Coleman and Doctson play enough to say whether Treadwell is decidedly the best overall WR in the draft, but based on what I've seen I do think he's the best at making plays on 50/50 balls and, all things being equal, will be the best in the redzone.

They would have to jump further than 3 spots as those are all WR needy teams.  They would have to jump to atleast the 20th pick.

Thats saying that the Raiders, lions and bills don't take a WR.  Also Dez was coming off a 8-9 game suspension coming out of college.

The Bengals are at 24.  Jumping up 3 spots would put them at 21 and the the 20th pick (the Jets) is not a WR needy team. I mean it's always possibly they could go WR, but I don't recall any mock drafts having them do so.

And as far as Dez dropping: I was talking about doing what the Cowboys did to get Byrant.  Waiting until he was still there a few picks away from you and THEN trading up to get him and giving up next to nothing to do so. Not why he was there.


I could see a McCarron and the 24th pick for the 20th pick and maybe add in a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Shit that may just help out both teams equally.
4/23/2016 1:33:32 PM EDT
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The Vikings could use a real QB. You know, someone that can pass over 150yds a game.
4/23/2016 1:42:01 PM EDT
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He also needs to learn how to throw more than 5 yards at a time.

The coaches need to stop babying him and let him be a quarterback.
4/24/2016 9:15:10 PM EDT
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I disagree, the Rams gave up a lot of picks in order to move up and if they take a QB and he shats the bed then that may push the franchise back for 3-4 years.
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I'm not tin foil hat, sports are rigged guy, but the Rams got the #1 trade because the NFL wanted them to have it. The Rams have to be in the spotlight AND be successful all year long. And having their name be the first name King Roger gets up and says next week is the right place to start.
That being said, moving to LA doesn't mean the players don't suck and the ownership doesn't suck.


I disagree, the Rams gave up a lot of picks in order to move up and if they take a QB and he shats the bed then that may push the franchise back for 3-4 years.



lol.. thanks for the good laugh SilenceThis. maybe the rams had a couple extra first round picks b/c of a certain trade in 2012 so they could afford to go all in on a qb.. plus, they just moved to the second biggest sports market in america so they needed to make a splash... you wanna say goodell pushed the rams to draft michael sam a few years ago in a late round? i'll give you that.. this is a gutsy move that could completely backfire.
4/24/2016 9:17:49 PM EDT
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lol.. i gotta coworker with a bridgewater jersey...he's such a clown (my coworker), he actually likes the look of the new vikings stadium
4/25/2016 12:10:36 PM EDT
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So looks like Rams going goff, and eagles wentz..


And Bradford demands a trade
4/25/2016 3:28:30 PM EDT
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Does that surprise you?

I'd do the same thing.

The 3-10 picks are very interesting since we already know that 1-2 will be QB's.  I hope Buckner doesn't come to Dallas.
4/25/2016 3:37:59 PM EDT
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4/25/2016 3:42:22 PM EDT
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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.
4/25/2016 3:46:20 PM EDT
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If it was rigged and the NFL wanted them to have the #1 pick, they would have come up with a much more balanced trade in that deal....

The Rams traded a lot of valuable picks to a team that didn't really need the #1 overall pick anyways. The Titans came out way ahead in that trade. The Rams are desperate to draft a franchise QB and build a fan base this year and they made a big gamble on trying to accomplish that. They didn't need the NFL to rig anything.
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I'm not tin foil hat, sports are rigged guy, but the Rams got the #1 trade because the NFL wanted them to have it. The Rams have to be in the spotlight AND be successful all year long. And having their name be the first name King Roger gets up and says next week is the right place to start.
That being said, moving to LA doesn't mean the players don't suck and the ownership doesn't suck.


If it was rigged and the NFL wanted them to have the #1 pick, they would have come up with a much more balanced trade in that deal....

The Rams traded a lot of valuable picks to a team that didn't really need the #1 overall pick anyways. The Titans came out way ahead in that trade. The Rams are desperate to draft a franchise QB and build a fan base this year and they made a big gamble on trying to accomplish that. They didn't need the NFL to rig anything.


I hope the Rams make a good choice between Goff & Wentz. I'd prefer Wentz but only because Cal hasn't had a QB worth a shit in the NFL...





...unless you count Rodgers ...
4/25/2016 3:49:25 PM EDT
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Offensive tackle.
4/25/2016 3:50:53 PM EDT
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i'm a skins fan and still really like RGIII... i hope he does well and your franchise goes in the right direction... but the browns could still brown...
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going to be a good draft for a bunch of Buckeyes, but the Browns are going to Browns


i'm a skins fan and still really like RGIII... i hope he does well and your franchise goes in the right direction... but the browns could still brown...


You like RG3? No, he's way done.
4/25/2016 3:51:45 PM EDT
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I'm hoping the Cowboys take Ramsey (if the Chargers don't), but they'll probably take Bosa.

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They have plenty of positions that really need help.

Running back is not one of them.
4/25/2016 3:52:53 PM EDT
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Yeah, he definitely does have a tendency to grab players much sooner than their projections suggest they can be grabbed. I suppose he gets away with it because of that one time he drafted a number 1 pick at 199.
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I'm looking forward to Belichick reaching for a player with a 6th round grade in the 2nd.


Yeah, he definitely does have a tendency to grab players much sooner than their projections suggest they can be grabbed. I suppose he gets away with it because of that one time he drafted a number 1 pick at 199.


They actually watch film and pick football players, instead of just athletes.
4/25/2016 3:53:42 PM EDT
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They have plenty of positions that really need help.

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They have plenty of positions that really need help.

Running back is not one of them.

just because they need help at a position doesn't mean they shouldn't take a stud player. this goes the same if tunsil is at 4, they should take him
4/25/2016 3:54:15 PM EDT
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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.
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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.

i think Henry will be gone before the 2nd
4/25/2016 3:54:23 PM EDT
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In. Colts better use first 3 picks on o line. If they draft a receiver 1st again I'll lose my shit.
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I'm not a Colts fan, but they definitely need to work on that O-line if they want to see half the success they saw with Manning in the coming years with Luck.




A QB can't throw TDs from his back.
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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.
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I'm hoping the Cowboys take Ramsey (if the Chargers don't), but they'll probably take Bosa.

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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.

I'm hoping for Ramsey in the first, a DE in the 2nd, and a QB in the 3rd.  Probably Hackenberg or Prescott.

4/25/2016 3:56:43 PM EDT
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I'm hoping for Ramsey in the first, a DE in the 2nd, and a QB in the 3rd.  Probably Hackenberg or Prescott.

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I'm hoping the Cowboys take Ramsey (if the Chargers don't), but they'll probably take Bosa.

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They'd be better off with Ramsey.  They need DB's more so than offense.  This is a decent draft for RB's considering you can grab Henry with the 2nd pick.

I'm hoping for Ramsey in the first, a DE in the 2nd, and a QB in the 3rd.  Probably Hackenberg or Prescott.


dak will be gone WAY before the 3rd. if he doesn't go to the 49rs. denver or the jets will pick him up
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