[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Real Reason for Gun Control (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/21/2016 5:31:14 PM EDT
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Finally, an article about gun control (not a pro-gun control article) that mentions what is probably the true reason democrats and leftists espouse gun control. It makes total sense because democrats seem to always be on the side of the criminal. They're against capital punishment. They're against long prison sentences. They're against "punishing" criminals, they prefer probation to incarceration. They don't care about victims of crime, but, they go overboard in support of the criminal.
This says it all. It's an astute observation that I've missed all these decades debating the illogical gun control arguments. “Concealed guns protect not only those who carry them but also those who do not. If concealed guns become widespread, then a mugger or a car jacker has no way of knowing who has one and who does not. It makes being a mugger or a carjacker a less safe occupation. Gun control laws are in effect occupational safety laws – OSHA for burglars, muggers, carjackers and others." http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/leesa-k-donner/ |
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Finally, an article about gun control (not a pro-gun control article) that mentions what is probably the true reason democrats and leftists espouse gun control. It makes total sense because democrats seem to always be on the side of the criminal. They're against capital punishment. They're against long prison sentences. They're against "punishing" criminals, they prefer probation to incarceration. They don't care about victims of crime, but, they go overboard in support of the criminal. This says it all. It's an astute observation that I've missed all these decades debating the illogical gun control arguments. “Concealed guns protect not only those who carry them but also those who do not. If concealed guns become widespread, then a mugger or a car jacker has no way of knowing who has one and who does not. It makes being a mugger or a carjacker a less safe occupation. Gun control laws are in effect occupational safety laws – OSHA for burglars, muggers, carjackers and others." http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/leesa-k-donner/ No, that's not the reason, that's one of the practical effects. The reason is that gun control is actually people control. |
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Modern gun control laws are racist holdovers from Jim Crow. There's plenty of racist history behind gun control, no doubt. But I think modern gun control laws have their roots in silly efforts to curtail crime. The 1934 National Firearms Act is the father of modern gun control laws. It goes like this. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK, let's make machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and silencers really expensive." "Oh shit, that didn't work. Maybe we'll just repeal prohibition instead." Fast forward to 1968. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK. Let's regulate the sale and transfer of firearms." Fast forward to 1990. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" I think you get it by now. |
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It's about.........."If we could save just one life."
A criminal's life vs. yours. As a CCW holder, you....aren't worth it. You have....white privilege (if you're white), an education, good parents, food on the table, a roof over your head, etc... But, look at the poor misunderstood criminal who has little to nothing.....he's just trying to get along. You've forced him into a corner....he has no choice but to do crime. That's how it is with LIBTARDS. Aloha, Mark |
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There's plenty of racist history behind gun control, no doubt. But I think modern gun control laws have their roots in silly efforts to curtail crime. The 1934 National Firearms Act is the father of modern gun control laws. It goes like this. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK, let's make machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and silencers really expensive." "Oh shit, that didn't work. Maybe we'll just repeal prohibition instead." Fast forward to 1968. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK. Let's regulate the sale and transfer of firearms." Fast forward to 1990. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" I think you get it by now. No it doesn't, crime may be used as an excuse, but it's 100% for power and control. |
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If you ask me Gun Control laws is all about power. Government having more power over the people. Has nothing to do with lowering crime. Obviously because crime and murders are much much higher in places with stricter gun control laws such as NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago... Lets disarm the people and take more rights away from the people. It's that slow movement towards more tyranny. They could care less about the safety of the people.
I understand why politicians and certain billionaires are behind wanting more Gun Control, because they want more money and power. But it's difficult to understand why any common people would be behind it. Well they managed to brainwash them into thinking they will be safer with more gun laws. Basically anyone that buys into gun control for reasons of more safety are fools. The brilliance is that you have higher education professors teaching their students to get behind gun control and telling them they are smart and educated. While they are being used and not thinking for themselves and are actually not being educated. Education is questioning everything and learning to think for yourself, well at least this used to be what higher education meant. But yeah people need to wake up and realize it's not the left vs the right, it's really the government vs the people. People need to get on the same page. Of course the powerful government will do everything than can do divide us and keep us uneducated and unmotivated. Media and Hollywood has a lot to do with this as well. If we ever realized we were really being taken advantage of and wanted a revolution, well that would be a huge problem. Because then the shift of power would occur. But the people aren't mad enough to take up arms and take back their country yet. Usually it's after the people have been completely disarmed that this realization occurs. They must slowly disarm us to not set us off though of course. |
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It's about.........."If we could save just one life." A criminal's life vs. yours. As a CCW holder, you....aren't worth it. You have....white privilege (if you're white), an education, good parents, food on the table, a roof over your head, etc... But, look at the poor misunderstood criminal who has little to nothing.....he's just trying to get along. You've forced him into a corner....he has no choice but to do crime. That's how it is with LIBTARDS. Aloha, Mark Yep. Blasting a criminal means less business for lawyers. They hate the idea of repeat customers being sent to hell via lead poisoning from a CCW. |
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The left wants gun control because they don't want the peasants to have the ability to defend themselves against tyrannical government. The fact that gun control makes life safer for the street criminal subset of their voter base is a side benefit, but it's not the primary reason.
It's just the mirror image of our outlook--the ability to defend ourselves against common violent criminals is a nice side benefit of the 2A, but it isn't the primary reason for it. |
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I would differ in opinion.
I've spoken with a number of gun-hating liberals, and asked them some questions about why. In every case, these aren't people who are on the side of criminals. In fact, they're very terrified of criminals, and terrified that criminals could (or would) do something to THEM. They want to stop the criminals. Now, there's an interesting psychological phenomenon that happens in many abuse victims: They blame themselves. And psychologists say that they blame themselves because that way, they feel like they have some control over the situation, even if on a subconscious level - "If I just quit doing (X), the bad things will stop happening to me". The anti-gun libs that I know fit quite perfectly into that category - they're so emotionally terrified that they simply CAN NOT accept the fact that there ARE criminals out there, and NOTHING you do can prevent that - that they are quite powerless to prevent some random criminal from doing some random thing that might hurt them. So, their brains look for something they CAN control, and guns are the easy, go-to target. And so, they placate themselves by telling themselves that if they just get rid of guns, then they can keep these bad, scary things from every happening to THEM. |
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It's about controlling people. But it is also an aspect of the culture war for the left.
They don't believe you are more deserving of life than the man who breaks into your house, they don't think you have the aptitude to defend yourself, and if you trained so that you do have aptitude you are a psychopath who wants to kill people. In the '90s the communitarian movement was openly arguing for gun control not based upon any pragmatic crime argument, but on the basis using violence against fellow citizens was uncivilized. On a side note, I've known several leftists who enjoyed shooting with me but were reluctant to buy guns themselves or to accept guns as a serious means of self defense. From my interactions with them I got the feeling that they didn't buy guns because of peer pressure from family, and that since they didn't own any themselves, they felt a need to reject guns as a means of self defense. One example is a friend who argued that it would be pointless to CCW since if someone wanted to kill you they could anyway. He was actually a very smart guy who ended up in a medical field. |
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I would differ in opinion. I've spoken with a number of gun-hating liberals, and asked them some questions about why. In every case, these aren't people who are on the side of criminals. In fact, they're very terrified of criminals, and terrified that criminals could (or would) do something to THEM. They want to stop the criminals. Now, there's an interesting psychological phenomenon that happens in many abuse victims: They blame themselves. And psychologists say that they blame themselves because that way, they feel like they have some control over the situation, even if on a subconscious level - "If I just quit doing (X), the bad things will stop happening to me". The anti-gun libs that I know fit quite perfectly into that category - they're so emotionally terrified that they simply CAN NOT accept the fact that there ARE criminals out there, and NOTHING you do can prevent that - that they are quite powerless to prevent some random criminal from doing some random thing that might hurt them. So, their brains look for something they CAN control, and guns are the easy, go-to target. And so, they placate themselves by telling themselves that if they just get rid of guns, then they can keep these bad, scary things from every happening to THEM. That certainly doesn't match my experience. |
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The average person who supports gun control doesn't secretly wish for control of the masses or whatever other shit people say. They actually think passing the law will help curb violence: that's why it seems so obvious to them.
It may be true that it curbs *gun* violence in other areas of the world, but those areas passed their legislation before hundreds of millions of firearms were manufactured. Passing the same legislation here would not achieve their stated goals and would have negative side effects. This is to say nothing about the moral implications of using violent force to remove a machined piece of steel from an otherwise non-violent person. |
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They want the people defenseless and victimized. Let us revue:
They do not want the people armed They do not support those who protect the disarmed populace They hate the police They hate the military They always side with criminals, the more violent the better They side with rioters They side with Islamic terrorists Notice a pattern? |
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Finally, an article about gun control (not a pro-gun control article) that mentions what is probably the true reason democrats and leftists espouse gun control. It makes total sense because democrats seem to always be on the side of the criminal. They're against capital punishment. They're against long prison sentences. They're against "punishing" criminals, they prefer probation to incarceration. They don't care about victims of crime, but, they go overboard in support of the criminal. This says it all. It's an astute observation that I've missed all these decades debating the illogical gun control arguments. “Concealed guns protect not only those who carry them but also those who do not. If concealed guns become widespread, then a mugger or a car jacker has no way of knowing who has one and who does not. It makes being a mugger or a carjacker a less safe occupation. Gun control laws are in effect occupational safety laws – OSHA for burglars, muggers, carjackers and others." http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/leesa-k-donner/ Attached File |
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The average person who supports gun control doesn't secretly wish for control of the masses or whatever other shit people say. They actually think passing the law will help curb violence: that's why it seems so obvious to them. It may be true that it curbs *gun* violence in other areas of the world, but those areas passed their legislation before hundreds of millions of firearms were manufactured. Passing the same legislation here would not achieve their stated goals and would have negative side effects. This is to say nothing about the moral implications of using violent force to remove a machined piece of steel from an otherwise non-violent person. No, control is the reason. Gun control doesn't curb violence. Places with low violence are that way due to culture. Countries like Russia, Latin America, etc., have strict controls and high levels of violence because it isn't about the tool, it is about human behavior. |
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If gun control was based upon a real interest in crime reduction, you would expect to see the left reconsider after the predicted bloodbath from shall-issue CCW failed to materialize. Likewise you wouldn't expect laws like the '94 ban attacking superficial features on weapons that are not usually used in crime.
The one area where gun laws (as well as drug and knife laws) do seem to work is in high crime areas where Guilliani type policing is in effect. It works because in such a settings with aggressive police work can get criminals off the street. It isn't getting the guns that matters, it is getting the bad actors. Obama and the left, however, oppose such policing since it tends to impact minorities. Crime is the result of human behavior, tools are mostly besides the point. |
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The reason gun control is a key issue for democrats is because they don't want people armed if their goals come to fruition. They would be hunted and killed. I view it as more part of the cultural wars. They don't want an independent and self reliant population. They don't trust individual decision making among the masses. They believe in centralized control and the wisdom of government. |
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No, that's not the reason, that's one of the practical effects. The reason is that gun control is actually people control. Quoted:
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Finally, an article about gun control (not a pro-gun control article) that mentions what is probably the true reason democrats and leftists espouse gun control. It makes total sense because democrats seem to always be on the side of the criminal. They're against capital punishment. They're against long prison sentences. They're against "punishing" criminals, they prefer probation to incarceration. They don't care about victims of crime, but, they go overboard in support of the criminal. This says it all. It's an astute observation that I've missed all these decades debating the illogical gun control arguments. “Concealed guns protect not only those who carry them but also those who do not. If concealed guns become widespread, then a mugger or a car jacker has no way of knowing who has one and who does not. It makes being a mugger or a carjacker a less safe occupation. Gun control laws are in effect occupational safety laws – OSHA for burglars, muggers, carjackers and others." http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/leesa-k-donner/ No, that's not the reason, that's one of the practical effects. The reason is that gun control is actually people control. |
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There's plenty of racist history behind gun control, no doubt. But I think modern gun control laws have their roots in silly efforts to curtail crime. The 1934 National Firearms Act is the father of modern gun control laws. It goes like this. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK, let's make machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and silencers really expensive." "Oh shit, that didn't work. Maybe we'll just repeal prohibition instead." Fast forward to 1968. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK. Let's regulate the sale and transfer of firearms." Fast forward to 1990. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" I think you get it by now. Quoted:
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Modern gun control laws are racist holdovers from Jim Crow. There's plenty of racist history behind gun control, no doubt. But I think modern gun control laws have their roots in silly efforts to curtail crime. The 1934 National Firearms Act is the father of modern gun control laws. It goes like this. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK, let's make machine guns, short barreled rifles and shotguns, and silencers really expensive." "Oh shit, that didn't work. Maybe we'll just repeal prohibition instead." Fast forward to 1968. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" "OK. Let's regulate the sale and transfer of firearms." Fast forward to 1990. "We've got to do something about this crime wave sweeping the nation!" I think you get it by now. 1968 was all about keeping 'uppity blacks' from standing up for their rights. In the 80-90s the disfavored group to be oppressed became conservatives. Gun control is 100% about suppressing and oppressing disfavored political/identity groups. |
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I think George Zimmerman would disagree with you. Quoted:
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Yep. Blasting a criminal means less business for lawyers. They hate the idea of repeat customers being sent to hell via lead poisoning from a CCW. I think George Zimmerman would disagree with you. |
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They want guns gone because it then would give them total control, they could do as they please and no one could stop them.... This. They are philosophical |