[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The Rubio Deception (Page 1 of 2)
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| When are we going to get some white, working class, conservative, Anglo-European male congressman to look out for our interests the same way these minority members work there asses off trying to get their respective people to the top of the FSA pile? I don't mean handouts. I'd just like someone to try to stop them from giving the country away to these cockroaches who should be treated like the criminals they are. |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities
Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what  )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. |
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Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. Get rid of the benefits and they would pick lettuce. As for the costs of deporting the illegals, if we make it impossible for them to work they will deport themselves. |
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Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. Get rid of the benefits and they would pick lettuce. As for the costs of deporting the illegals, if we make it impossible for them to work they will deport themselves. Many would. Romney was laughed at for his "self deportation" order but people seek the easiest route. Make it MISERABLE for them here and they will leave. They are too fucking comfy right now.... |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. So how did this country survive all these years before this vermin invaded ? |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. I'm tired of all the bullshit. 
And fuck Rubio as well, I NEVER liked him. |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. So how did this country survive all these years before this vermin invaded ? 
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Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. Get rid of the benefits and they would pick lettuce. As for the costs of deporting the illegals, if we make it impossible for them to work they will deport themselves. Great plan! Get to work on that and let us know how it's going. Let us know which which Senator and Representatives you got to sponser it and we'll all support them! By the way, how are we going to make it impossible to work? National ID card? Worker ID and Immigration showing up at everywork place demanding ID? Who's paying for that? Knock knock, papers please! |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. So how did this country survive all these years before this vermin invaded ? Make them legal and they'll get Benifits the need to work will end, and them FSA gets 20 million new votes. |
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A political hit piece alleging Rubio is a soros operative with links to Charlie Crist propaganda? no shit? Yet the libertarian party is far left progressive on immigration compared to Rubio's bill. Romney was to the right with Sessions, Demint and Tancredo but libertarians said Romney sucks so let obama win. Rand Paul thinks immigration reform is something we should do but Rand doesn't suck in libertarian perfect world. yet
FTR, I still stand with Rand. SEN. RAND PAUL: I am worried that the bill before us won't pass. It may pass the Senate, may not pass the House. I want to be constructive in making the bill strong enough that conservatives, myself included, conservative Republicans in the House will vote for this because I think immigration reform is something we should do.
In this bill I am worried, though, and this is similar to what Senator [Ron] Johnson said, that it says, well, you have to have a plan to build a fence, but you don't have to build a fence. And if you don't have a plan to build a fence, then you get a commission. I don't know what happens if the commission doesn't do anything. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/05/07/rand_paul_on_rubios_immigration_plan_to_me_its_a_little_bit_like_obamacare.html |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. Life is not "fair. It will NEVER be "fair".Those of us born in this country are indeed fortunate.We have many,many things that other people do not have and can probably never get........ That in no way obligates us to accept a bunch of people from other countries who sneak in here illegally and diminish our resources by their very presence.Whatever jobs they do always got done ---by someone---before they got here. I'm sorry.I have no sympathy,no empathy,and no "guilt". |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. Nope. automation can replace the low skilled farm worker just like its largely replaced to low skilled autoworker. |
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Fuck Marco Rubio and any suggestion of Amnesty. Well, that ought to fix it.....  It can be fixed and we don't even have to go "house to house"..... We essentially seal off the border and we allow local law enforcement to call INS. EVERYONE gets a speeding ticket sooner or later, or fails to signal a turn or has an invalid registration- You have NEVER been stopped by a cop? We make crossing the border illegally a crime, hard to send money home to momma and the ninos when you're cooling your heals in Joe Arpaios tent city. We impose a tax on any money sent to certain countries, you can TAX anything legally according to the Supremes or so I hear..... If you're here illegally and you get into a car wreck, we seize the car. We use RICO- if you have come here illegally we confiscate whatever you have accumulated for your illegal conduct. We continue basic workplace enforcement and companies get the death penalty if they are found to be employing illegals. We make it so the officers of those companies are prosecuted- so they can never hold a corporate office again...THAT will wake them up. You make examples of people. The whole thing is about money. If they have to spend millions defending themselves and maybe still lose....it becomes financially less attractive. You're kids don't get to go to school on the taxpayers dime- no valid SSN, no enrollo. You can't BELIEVE all the fucking horseshit I had to provide when my kid enrolled in High School last year as a transfer student. There is NO WAY IN HELL all the illegals are providing the same kind of documentation- someone is just "looking the other way"- it has to stop. |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. Nope. automation can replace the low skilled farm worker just like its largely replaced to low skilled autoworker. Cotton Gin? |
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Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. Get rid of the benefits and they would pick lettuce. As for the costs of deporting the illegals, if we make it impossible for them to work they will deport themselves. Great plan! Get to work on that and let us know how it's going. Let us know which which Senator and Representatives you got to sponser it and we'll all support them! By the way, how are we going to make it impossible to work? National ID card? Worker ID and Immigration showing up at everywork place demanding ID? Who's paying for that? Knock knock, papers please! To me the way it is handled is that if a company is found to have hired an illegal immigrant then the person that did the hiring and the CEO personally get HUGE fines as well as business crippling fines to the company. The jobs for the illegals dry up and they all go home. |
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When are we going to get some white, working class, conservative, Anglo-European male congressman to look out for our interests the same way these minority members work there asses off trying to get their respective people to the top of the FSA pile? I don't mean handouts. I'd just like someone to try to stop them from giving the country away to these cockroaches who should be treated like the criminals they are. Neither party is interested in controlling immigration. The demographics favor the Democrats and the GOP is long on record for supporting the goals of business to have a ready supply of cheap, barely-on-the-books workers. Add in this new fantasy that Hispanic immigrants are natural republicans in spite of the clear tendency for this group to vote heavily democratic, and you have another level of weirdness. Meanwhile, we froth at the mouth and ask when the dictatorship will end!!!! WHEN!! IOW: We're not much help. |
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When are we going to get some white, working class, conservative, Anglo-European male congressman to look out for our interests the same way these minority members work there asses off trying to get their respective people to the top of the FSA pile? I don't mean handouts. I'd just like someone to try to stop them from giving the country away to these cockroaches who should be treated like the criminals they are. Neither party is interested in controlling immigration. The demographics favor the Democrats and the GOP is long on record for supporting the goals of business to have a ready supply of cheap, barely-on-the-books workers. Add in this new fantasy that Hispanic immigrants are natural republicans in spite of the clear tendency for this group to vote heavily democratic, and you have another level of weirdness. Meanwhile, we froth at the mouth and ask when the dictatorship will end!!!! WHEN!! IOW: We're not much help. The funny part is that the busineeses wanting cheap labor are idiots. When the immigrants are legitimized you think they are going to work for poverty wages? They will unionize and demand UAW wages. Edited to add rubio has jumped the shark and is not a true conservative. |
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When are we going to get some white, working class, conservative, Anglo-European male congressman to look out for our interests the same way these minority members work there asses off trying to get their respective people to the top of the FSA pile? I don't mean handouts. I'd just like someone to try to stop them from giving the country away to these cockroaches who should be treated like the criminals they are. Neither party is interested in controlling immigration. The demographics favor the Democrats and the GOP is long on record for supporting the goals of business to have a ready supply of cheap, barely-on-the-books workers. Add in this new fantasy that Hispanic immigrants are natural republicans in spite of the clear tendency for this group to vote heavily democratic, and you have another level of weirdness. Meanwhile, we froth at the mouth and ask when the dictatorship will end!!!! WHEN!! IOW: We're not much help. The funny part is that the busineeses wanting cheap labor are idiots. When the immigrants are legitimized you think they are going to work for poverty wages? They will unionize and demand UAW wages.. Yep. SEIU and other unions love illegal immigration. Nevada is blue because of the bus boys & house keepers working Vegas. Republicans never saw it comming either. |
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snip And? So the price goes up. So what? If farmers can't find workers then they aren't offering enough money to get workers. There are ways for farmers to get folks here to legally work. It requires efforts on their parts to get the proper paperwork to get those workers. Hiring illegals is the easy way out. You make it impossible for ANY business to hire illegals, and guess what? The illegals go home. This amnesty bill is a sham and Rubio is a sham. I am all for fixing immigration but, and this is a big but, the border must be secured before I am even willing to discuss immigration reform. |
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And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. The biggest single reason that immigration "reform" may pass is TAXES. Members of both parties want more money - especially for Social Security and MediCare. More money will put off the collapse of those programs until most of them are out of office. Most of the negative consequences from immigration "reform" won't show up until after most members of Congress are out of office. It's a win - win for them and a loss for the country. Guess which most of them will choose? 
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. So how did this country survive all these years before this vermin invaded ? Make them legal and they'll get Benifits the need to work will end, and them FSA gets 20 million new votes. Exactly - why is that so fucking hard for these idiots to understand? 
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Not reading this until you fix the background. WTF? Let me translate for you........... We're fucked! After reading that the bill is even worse that I thought so ya I agree big time! What pisses me off the most is Rubio's ads hyping this bill, touting it as fair and "compassionate" for those here illegally. I would like to ask Rubio where was their compassion for Americans and America when they came here illegally or deliberately overstayed their visas, with the intention to take jobs from Americans, leech off of the American taxpayer, or commit a sundry of crimes? Where is the compassion for the hard working American tax payers that have to pay to the tune of trillions of dollars just to let them exist here? Where is the compassion for the 25 million unemployed Americans when we allow millions of illegals to be gainfully employed? Where is the compassion for America? |
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Immigration is a tangled mess. As someone who has dealt extensivily with the current system, let me assure you, it is broken. It's easy to jump, shout and run about shouting that we need to seal our borders and kick out all the freeloaders and scumbags that have invaded us, but that stance ignores a lot of realities Reality one is; if you like to eat, we need migrants from Mexico and the rest of central America. The fact is, 40 years ago when I was a boy, we had a native, migrant worker cadre that picked our crops. Made up mostly of blacks and some poor, uneducated whites, they followed the harvest around the country, picking whatever was in season. The orange grove companies had barracks built stratigicaly around the state and buses that hauled the pickers to the groves. It was the same down south for the tomatos and lettace, the watermelons, and up in Georgia for the peaches and peacans. I'm sure the rest of the places where fruits and vegatables had to be hand picked were much the same. Today, there is no such group of people here. With the benefits available today, those folks are sitting in their government housing, eating cheetos, washing it down with a beer and watching their big screen while they roll a fat one on the old ladys thigh. The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? And there they live, in the shadows, not paying taxes or social security, or if they are, into someone elses account from a stolen number. You may not like it, but you, and I, need them. There are 12 million +, and they are mostly here to work. Doing the jobs that you, and I, and the rest of our fat lazy fellow citizens don't want to do. Are some of them criminals, here to work for the cartels, and prey on us? Certainly, and we should go after them. Local police should have the ability to verify immigration status upon arrest, and we should be able to swiftly deport anyone arrested and convicted that is not a citizen. But the vast majority of illegals are here because they want a better life for themselves and their children, just like our ancesters, but there is no Ellis Island, no gateway cruise by the Statue of Liberty on your way to legally entering the United States. Today there is only a long wait for an appointment at a US consel in your home country, a long and tedious application process, and in all probability, unless you are a highly skilled tech worker, a denial. Even those who come as students and stay have a difficult and tedious process to try and stay. My wife, with legal support, good funding, and being married to a citizen, was still technically illegal and subject to deportation for almost two years until the paperwork caught up to her. The system is so broken that they cannot even grant status to a person who enters legally and properly applies, dotting all the i's and having an attorney cross the t's. So yes we need a better fence, yes we need to deport the criminals and enforce documentation of workers and make sure that they are legal, tax paying members of our society. But we also need to recognize that this is a mess of our own making, we allowed the system to become dysfunctional by ignoring it( or at least our elected representatives did), and we need these people, and we need to find a way to make it work. Putting them all on a bus and shipping them home ain't gonna happen. The line of buses containing 12 million people would stretch from the Mexican border to Canada. The cost would send us into a tizzy. The cost and sacrifice of our freedoms that it would take to round them all up would be unbearable. Warrentless searches, detainment of citizens, requirement to "prove" your citizenship, Jack booted government thugs and all that to get them all on the busses in the first place. We wouldn't tolorate it. So we have to find another way to make it work. Marco has a decent plan, not perfect, but something both sides of the debate can swallow, if they have too. And they do. We do. We have to except that reality bites sometimes, and just as Angelina Jolie is unlikely to show up on your moms doorstep, looking for a place to take a shower and get her flat tire fixed by a pudgy, lonley Arfcommer, ( okay so that's my fantesy not yours, so what )The 12 million illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere.
So we might as well figure out a way to get them out of the shadows, and into society. Who knows, if we welcome them, they might even become Republicans! Thats my opinion, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to explain how I'm wrong. Very nice, but, no. There is no lack of people willing to work hard for a living. What they won't do is work for the crap wages that illegals will accept. And why not? Because an illegal working under the table has no taxes. This is twenty to thirty percent of weekly income. An illegal may own a car, but it isn't registered and it isn't insured. There's another $1500 annual savings. There's no cost for healthcare. It's free. Now there is welfare in some states, no questions asked, if you appear to be from south of the border. Put ten men in a rented house at $1400 a month and the monthly rent is $140. Thirty-five bucks a week. Lots of extra money every week. They're living like kings compared to their families back home. Now let's look at some further incentives to be here. Ever take a good, hard look at how the poor live in places like Mexico? They live in Hell. Many houses are made of rough planks and found materials. They're not shacks; shacks would be a major upgrade. They look more like the tree house you had when you were ten. There is no plumbing or electricity. Toilet = bucket. The wages at home suck, if there are any. Odds are, there aren't. The whole country sucks. Any time you think Chicago is bad, remember that the Mexican cartels kill whoever they want, often with rifles obtained from government armories, and the government has little or no interest in prosecuting them. And why should they? They know they'll get murdered if they interfere with the drug dealers and they'll get paid well if they let them do as they please. And then we get the people who will walk across the border, hundreds of miles in the desert and risk death just to try to improve their lives. Those are the people who would make an effort to fix the system at home if they had no choice. Those are the people who would march, protest, fight, and maybe even shoot at government that treats them like human trash. But they won't, because we give them an out. |
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The guy picking your watermelon is a little brown guy from a village in Mexico that you never heard of, desperate to make some American dollars to send home to feed his children. A worker like that has almost zero chance of arriving here legally. Many countries have a 5 year wait just for an appointment to apply for a visa. And the number of work visas handed out each year is small, and oriented toward high tech, educated workers sponsered by industry. The poor migrant has no chance. So instead, he hocks the family farm and spends his life savings paying a coyote to smuggle him in. Once he's here, it's way to risky and expensive for him to return home, so he stays, and settles in for the long haul. Many, after getting established, save up and send for their family. Wouldn't you? They are not stupid, they can easily get a H-2A temporary agricultural workers visa for seasonal work and be here legally, but most don't want those jobs they want better, even many of those that apply and get that visa take off once here for better jobs. For example, when you go to construction sites you will find plenty non-American workers all of whom are either illegals or here legally violating their visa doing jobs they are not supposed to be doing. We simply don't import low wage workers for those types of jobs, or for work as maids at motels, work at car washes, warehousing, garment district, landscaping, flipping burgers etc... So we not only have 11-20+ million illegals taking jobs we probably have the same or more here admitted legally violating their visas taking jobs they are not supposed to be doing as well, and zero enforcement for either. |
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After reading that the bill is even worse that I thought so ya I agree big time! What pisses me off the most is Rubio's ads hyping this bill, touting it as fair and "compassionate" for those here illegally. I would like to ask Rubio where was their compassion for Americans and America when they came here illegally or deliberately overstayed their visas, with the intention to take jobs from Americans, leech off of the American taxpayer, or commit a sundry of crimes? Where is the compassion for the hard working American tax payers that have to pay to the tune of trillions of dollars just to let them exist here? Where is the compassion for the 25 million unemployed Americans when we allow millions of illegals to be gainfully employed? Where is the compassion for America? That is why I am working to expose him and his ilk. I promote Cruz, Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Justin Amash. Who is paying for those Ads anyway? Taxpayer funded government propaganda? |