They are starting to drill at an alleged site of Noah's Ark. Lets have a Biblical archaeology thread (Page 3 of 3)
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Originally Posted By CJ47: While I'm not doubting anyone told you this, it is entirely not Biblical, nor how Hell works. Originally Posted By CJ47: Originally Posted By kpoesq369: When I was in Iraq at UmQasr, they said it was the original entry to Hell. The layout of the rivers apparently matched biblical descriptions of the location where Lucifer fell through the Earth on his way to Hell. While I'm not doubting anyone told you this, it is entirely not Biblical, nor how Hell works. "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" 
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Originally Posted By thorm001: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/160746/IMG_7065_jpeg-3831106.JPG drogue stone? all the way up there? Would of taken a lot of water.. |
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It's a well known geologic feature not an ancient boat. Also there is absolutely no reason the Ark would be boat shaped since it had no means of propulsion or steering. It simply needed to float and not get capsized by a wave. Lets not get into the logistics and/or genetics of "two of every animal" and keeping them fed etc. It's an ancient story the predated the Jewish texts, they borrowed it and embellished it for their own narrative. |
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Originally Posted By smartliketractor: Because those who preach to the four billion or so Abrahamic followers would no longer have anyone willing to tithe? Originally Posted By smartliketractor: Originally Posted By AlabamaFan64: Why would that stop them? Most academics are atheists as it is. Because those who preach to the four billion or so Abrahamic followers would no longer have anyone willing to tithe? 
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Originally Posted By GraythornTactical: If you’re into the archaeology side of Biblical history, you ought to check out Dr. Jeremiah Johnston and some of the material he’s put out. Very visual and digestible content. Not to mention he’s an ardent patriot and big 2A guy. Shawn Ryan had him on recently. So I went and started listening to the Shawn Ryan episode with this guy and he's exactly the person I struggle to take seriously due to him not being able to seperate his faith from the archeology and science. When he spoke of the Shroud of Turin he said to the effect "this one scientist calculated the energy to leave the image was a billion watts in 1/40th of a billionth of a second." He adds no substance to substantiate that claim but let's take it at face value. Later in the episode when discussing the stone in front of Jesus' tomb and how it was moved he claimed the same event that imprinted the shroud blew the stone apart. So the energy that imprinted the shroud left it intact, but blew a huge rock to bits? I'll buy his statements about the various pollen on the shroud but when you make fantastical claims rooted in your faith it makes the rest of your statements suspect. He seems very intelligent and has studied this stuff in detail. But rather than presenting facts for what they are he seems to pound to fit and paint to match what his faith leads him to believe. |
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011: It's a well known geologic feature not an ancient boat. Also there is absolutely no reason the Ark would be boat shaped since it had no means of propulsion or steering. It simply needed to float and not get capsized by a wave. Lets not get into the logistics and/or genetics of "two of every animal" and keeping them fed etc. It's an ancient story the predated the Jewish texts, they borrowed it and embellished it for their own narrative. Apparently all around this world cultures borrowed that story then. It’s not limited to that one spot. Noah’s story is unique. Admittedly, as far as I know. |
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Originally Posted By Philmore: Apparently all around this world cultures borrowed that story then. It’s not limited to that one spot. Noah’s story is unique. Admittedly, as far as I know. Yes, lots of ancestral memories of a flood. Most people even today live near the coast. When the ice age ended sea levels rose some 400'. That means a lot of people got displaced by a flood. Someone may even have built a boat and packed it with domestic livestock. |
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A global flood like described in Genesis would have even killed off most sea life as it would have diluted the salinity of the oceans. Would be a mass extinction event not a reset of humanity. Then there's the inbreeding that would have taken place after they got off the Ark, animals and people. |
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011: A global flood like described in Genesis would have even killed off most sea life as it would have diluted the salinity of the oceans. Would be a mass extinction event not a reset of humanity. Then there's the inbreeding that would have taken place after they got off the Ark, animals and people. What are you doing, step-ark-brother? |
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011: It's a well known geologic feature not an ancient boat. Also there is absolutely no reason the Ark would be boat shaped since it had no means of propulsion or steering. It simply needed to float and not get capsized by a wave. Lets not get into the logistics and/or genetics of "two of every animal" and keeping them fed etc. It's an ancient story the predated the Jewish texts, they borrowed it and embellished it for their own narrative. The Bible never stated two of every animal. Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. It says “kind” meaning the top of their species. Two wolves covers the entire dog family. Two Lions covers the entire cat family…etc not two of every single animal |
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Originally Posted By livfreely: The Bible never stated two of every animal. Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. It says “kind” meaning the top of their species. Two wolves covers the entire dog family. Two Lions covers the entire cat family…etc not two of every single animal Ok, so how does that make the story any more plausible? |
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Originally Posted By livfreely: The Bible never stated two of every animal. Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. It says "kind" meaning the top of their species. Two wolves covers the entire dog family. Two Lions covers the entire cat family etc not two of every single animal It says "every creeping thing of the earth." |
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Originally Posted By livfreely: The Bible never stated two of every animal. Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. It says “kind” meaning the top of their species. Two wolves covers the entire dog family. Two Lions covers the entire cat family…etc not two of every single animal Originally Posted By livfreely: Originally Posted By Orion10182011: It's a well known geologic feature not an ancient boat. Also there is absolutely no reason the Ark would be boat shaped since it had no means of propulsion or steering. It simply needed to float and not get capsized by a wave. Lets not get into the logistics and/or genetics of "two of every animal" and keeping them fed etc. It's an ancient story the predated the Jewish texts, they borrowed it and embellished it for their own narrative. The Bible never stated two of every animal. Gen 6:20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. It says “kind” meaning the top of their species. Two wolves covers the entire dog family. Two Lions covers the entire cat family…etc not two of every single animal 
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Originally Posted By cyclone: I'm not sure that even exists on Earth any longer.......or its buried under the Temple Mount Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By MEK: Be cooler if they found thishttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61478/IMG_4558_jpeg-3831203.JPG I'm not sure that even exists on Earth any longer.......or its buried under the Temple Mount There's 3, the fake one, the real one on Earth and the one in Heaven it was modeled after. My guess is the Ethiopians originally were given the fake, then given the real one when Jerusalem fell. Them given the fake one again and the real one returned when Ethiopia fell in the 1990's during their civil war. I think the rulers of Jerusalem know exactly where the real one is. The Levites are the only ones who can handle the Ark to begin with. |
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011: A global flood like described in Genesis would have even killed off most sea life as it would have diluted the salinity of the oceans. Would be a mass extinction event not a reset of humanity. Then there's the inbreeding that would have taken place after they got off the Ark, animals and people. The one True God speaks Life with words, What he did in the first few pages of the Bible would be something He could do while taking a sip of coffee while chuckling at the Larson comic depicting all the rabbits on the Ark after 40 days. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: How do you know "kind" means "top of their species?" What is "top of their species" even supposed to mean? It says "every creeping thing of the earth." "Top of their species" false argument is a funny one from apologetics. It would imply a) DNA and cells would rapidly mutate at speeds beyond what you'd get from radiation poisioning and b) reproduction of animals going from the likes of wolf to husky to chihuahua would need to happen less than a month successively, which is beyond the reproduction cycle of mammals. |
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Originally Posted By HeckThomas: The one True God speaks Life with words, What he did in the first few pages of the Bible would be something He could do while taking a sip of coffee while chuckling at the Larson comic depicting all the rabbits on the Ark after 40 days. He could also have just blinked everyone he was displeased with out of existence. No need for all this flood and animal herding business. |
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Originally Posted By Philmore: That’s interesting. 8 on the ark. Also, a vineyard in the region of Armenia is thought to be the oldest known vineyard and Noah planted a vineyard shortly after leaving the ark. I think it’s fun keeping up with stuff like this. Originally Posted By Philmore: Originally Posted By southerncross: The locals call it the Valley Of 8 That’s interesting. 8 on the ark. Also, a vineyard in the region of Armenia is thought to be the oldest known vineyard and Noah planted a vineyard shortly after leaving the ark. I think it’s fun keeping up with stuff like this. I agree. Ive been down this rabbit hole since I was a kid. There have been unproven claims petrified gopher wood was pulled from that location where they are scanning now. The locals "know" thats where Noah'a Ark is located and tourism is built around it. |
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Had a flashback to watching this on the A&E as a young teen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNtjp2k_UsI saw that on tv. I was 12. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: How do you know "kind" means "top of their species?" What is "top of their species" even supposed to mean? It says "every creeping thing of the earth." By reading the Bible you know what “kind” means! Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. After his kind! Again! NOT two of every animal went on the Ark. Only two of their kind. Two wolves covers the entire dog family l. Two lions covers the entire cat family and so on. |
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Originally Posted By livfreely: By reading the Bible you know what "kind" means! Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. After his kind! Again! NOT two of every animal went on the Ark. Only two of their kind. Two wolves covers the entire dog family l. Two lions covers the entire cat family and so on. How does "kind" only equate to cat (lion as you say) and not include a house cat? There's lots of very obviously different "kinds" of cats. "Kind" does not seem that narrowly defined. This whole proposition of whittling down the story to seem somehow more plausible but really absolutely not is pretty odd, and seemingly meaningless. You either believe it on faith as written/translated or you don't. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: How does that make a "kind" a "top of a species," whatever that is supposed to be? How do you rank a species from top to a presumable bottom? How does "kind" only equate to cat (lion as you say) and not include a house cat? There's lots of very obviously different "kinds" of cats. "Kind" does not seem that narrowly defined. This whole proposition of whittling down the story to seem somehow more plausible but really absolutely not is pretty odd, and seemingly meaningless. You either believe it on faith as written/translated or you don't. Originally Posted By Windustsearch: Originally Posted By livfreely: By reading the Bible you know what "kind" means! Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. After his kind! Again! NOT two of every animal went on the Ark. Only two of their kind. Two wolves covers the entire dog family l. Two lions covers the entire cat family and so on. How does "kind" only equate to cat (lion as you say) and not include a house cat? There's lots of very obviously different "kinds" of cats. "Kind" does not seem that narrowly defined. This whole proposition of whittling down the story to seem somehow more plausible but really absolutely not is pretty odd, and seemingly meaningless. You either believe it on faith as written/translated or you don't. There would have to be more than 2 of some to keep the lions fed. 
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch: How does that make a "kind" a "top of a species," whatever that is supposed to be? How do you rank a species from top to a presumable bottom? How does "kind" only equate to cat (lion as you say) and not include a house cat? There's lots of very obviously different "kinds" of cats. "Kind" does not seem that narrowly defined. This whole proposition of whittling down the story to seem somehow more plausible but really absolutely not is pretty odd, and seemingly meaningless. You either believe it on faith as written/translated or you don't. Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Kind means their family. |
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Originally Posted By livfreely: Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Kind means their family. Originally Posted By livfreely: Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Kind means their family. Originally Posted By smartliketractor: "Top of their species" false argument is a funny one from apologetics. It would imply a) DNA and cells would rapidly mutate at speeds beyond what you'd get from radiation poisioning and b) reproduction of animals going from the likes of wolf to husky to chihuahua would need to happen less than a month successively, which is beyond the reproduction cycle of mammals. |
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Several cultures have a flood story. It's going to be interesting if they pull up a chunk of wood. I'm sure we'll hear 10,000 reasons that go through the mental gymnastics to explain why there would be a wood timber there and why it's absolutely not a boat. After a while, it's just exhausting. |
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Originally Posted By MEK: Be cooler if they found thishttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61478/IMG_4558_jpeg-3831203.JPG According to Revelation, it is in Heaven. Revelation 11:19 King James Version 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. |
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Genesis 7:1-3 King James Version 7 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 [b]Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens,[/b] the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Just dropping this here. |
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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Originally Posted By livfreely: Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. Kind means their family. I can’t read that and come up with any meaning other than species will only propagate their own species. That lions can’t give birth to cheetahs, and that penguins can’t give birth to giraffes. Any other reading of that is delusional. |
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011: It's a well known geologic feature not an ancient boat. Also there is absolutely no reason the Ark would be boat shaped since it had no means of propulsion or steering. It simply needed to float and not get capsized by a wave. Lets not get into the logistics and/or genetics of "two of every animal" and keeping them fed etc. It's an ancient story the predated the Jewish texts, they borrowed it and embellished it for their own narrative. *Or*..It really happened the way the Bible said it did. Not saying that formation is the ark. In all likelihood it was dismantled to build houses, and such, over the years. |
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I really admire Gustav Dore's biblical illustrations but he never personally traveled to the Holy Land and only had lousy mid-19th Century photographs to rely on for his biblical depictions. That necessitated some anachronisms like how there used to be a spectacular marble Herodian-Roman temple compound in front of the cave of Banias that he doesn't depict since it was almost all gone and long ago carried away by Arabs before the time photography came to Israel. But it would have existed and looked brand new in the time of whomever wrote Mark and Matthew. Here's how "Pan's Cave"/"The Gate of Hades"/"Spring of Banias" looks today:  Back in the Classical era, something more like this:  |
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Originally Posted By EDDIECRUM: There is a 3 season show on Prime, The Naked Archaeologist. He is a Canadian Jew that is studying the Bible compared to the well known Biblical sites. There is no nudity and he is trying to get to basic facts, get to the naked truth. Some humor, some conclusions were really good and with my small knowledge of the Bible I was unsure of his conclusion. I have never been to Israel but I been to some biblical sites in Turkey that he visited and I have been in the Vatican basement so I was able to visit some of those sites. He tries to locate where Moses led the Jews out of Egypt and which mountain climbed to get the 10 Commandments. Agree or not agree, the show will stir your brain. Jabal Maqla |