Posted: 10/18/2011 2:35:05 PM EDT
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I'm a Gi jiu jitsu guy but they are doing a pankration tournament about 1 hr away from my house in about 2 weeks. I'm thinking about doing it just for the heck of it. One of the issues im worried about is I have no formal striking experience and my take downs really suck. Once im on the ground im alright. well should be interesting. (They are calling it pankration but I am guessing a lot of people aren't familiar with this term so basically submission grappling with striking to the body, i dont believe any gloves are used.) any advice? anything i can do on a daily basis besides striking or grappling? I'm going to try and pump up the cardio and practice some take down drills |
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Do you have a link to the tournament?
I'm curious about the rules and how they match-up competitors? I would say go for it, but my biggest concern is how they will match you up. For instance if you have a brown belt in BJJ are they going to put you into an advanced division. Are kicks to the body allowed? |
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1.The match may be won by points or submission:
a. The first athlete to score 20 points. b. Submission c. Opponent's disqualification d. Most points at the end of regulation e. First to score in sudden death f. Opponent not being able to defend themselves or continue (technical knockout), or doctors decision. 2. Targets to score points are as follows: a. The Head (no contact) b. Stomach c. Ribs d. Chest e. Back (except the shoulders and spine) down to, but not below the waist Striking the shoulders, thighs, calves and trunk area are legal targets but will not be awarded points unless used in a combination including a point target or take down. 3. Chokes, strangulation and smothering techniques must be vascular using the sides of the neck. At no time will the front of the throat be used as a target, pressure Point, or resting place. 4. Points are awarded for clean takedowns. One point for trips and sweeps with your opponent's feet staying below your waist level. Two points are awarded for reaps or hip throws with your opponent's feet reaching above your waist, to below your shoulders. Three points are awarded for throws with your opponent's feet going over your head. 5. Joint locks themselves do not score points. However, immobilizing your opponent in a position for 10 to 19 seconds scores one point, 20 seconds awards two additional points and the match is restarted on your feet. No points are awarded under a 10 count. 6. Submitting your opponent ends the match with a 20-0 score (no matter what points were scored up until that point). 7. Should a technical knockout occur, or your opponent cannot continue, the match will end in a 10-0 score (no matter what points were scored up until that point.) 8. Disqualification ends the match with a 20-0 score (no matter what points were scored up until that point). 9. Excessive warnings also score points. This will be explained in the "illegal behavior" section. 10. The duration of the contests is as follows: women and youth divisions are set at three minutes. Men's divisions are set at five minutes. Should an overtime period become necessary, the first athlete to score a point will settle this will and be awarded the match. |
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Do you have a link to the tournament? I'm curious about the rules and how they match-up competitors? I would say go for it, but my biggest concern is how they will match you up. For instance if you have a brown belt in BJJ are they going to put you into an advanced division. Are kicks to the body allowed? supposedly they are going to match it up by experience level... |
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If you are striking with no pads I would recommend some practice hitting something harder than a bag or pad. The confidence it gives you is amazing.
I trained for awhile under Choon Lee in Missouri. More frequently under some of his higher black belts David Johnson and Dan Fagan. We would spar quite frequently with minimal protection. It can be an eye opening experience if you don't have much time practicing it. Choon Lee does a different style, but there is no person better at striking than him. He is the most athletic and powerful person I have ever known personally. You can read a short bio of him here: Choon Lee Anyway, he always recommended hitting something harder than a bag. We would use phone books wrapped in duct tape. Mr. Lee had a pole with steel plate on it that he would punch at his main facility. It would always intimidate me when I went there for testing. It looked like it had been used on a shooting range.....  You might be able to improve your takedowns if you could distract them with your striking.
Good luck. |
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i knew Guy Metzger(sp?) before he won a spot in the UFC due to an injured OKC kickboxer. after it i asked him if he would go back.
he said he would stick to teaching ladies self-defense! way back when we used to go to the bomb factory in deep ellum(dallas)and watch his kickboxing tournaments. people got knocked unconcious; Guy broke an opponent's jaw, but he said nothing he'd ever done prepared him for that! in other words: don't write checks your body can't cash. |
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How are your sweeps? I personally dont care at all for that rule set, but its good for guys with out good good developed skill sets to get out there and get some mat/ring time in a live enviroment I guess.
Your takedowns arent going to get that much better with only a few weeks of drilling to be honest. Nor your stand up. I advise some basic drills exercises like checking leg kicks, blocking body kicks etc and MMA related sparring drills. Have a partner look to strike under that rule set, your job is to get into range to change levels and shoot or clinch up and get double under hooks and work for a body lock take down and simple trips. To be honest if your striking is really that bad and your TD game sucks you might just want to pull guard lol. Thats why I asked about your sweeps haha. Really, its a limited rules pankration match, its not going to be to hard to to dangerous to get into the clinch and pull guard or work for a trip. Another simple MMA drill that will serve you well...... Take you partner and start in your full guard. He looks strike and pass your guard and you look to defend the strikes, hit a sweep and set up subs. You have 30 seconds to retain your guard or throw it into a scramble etc, if not just start over. If you hit a sweep or a sub start over. Go for five minutes and change positions. Drill the shit ot of your sprawl and pummeling for under hooks as well. |
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i knew Guy Metzger(sp?) before he won a spot in the UFC due to an injured OKC kickboxer. after it i asked him if he would go back. he said he would stick to teaching ladies self-defense! way back when we used to go to the bomb factory in deep ellum(dallas)and watch his kickboxing tournaments. people got knocked unconcious; Guy broke an opponent's jaw, but he said nothing he'd ever done prepared him for that! in other words: don't write checks your body can't cash. LOL its a limited rules pankration match, not pre unified rules NHB. |
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How are your sweeps? I personally dont care at all for that rule set, but its good for guys with out good good developed skill sets to get out there and get some mat/ring time in a live enviroment I guess. Your takedowns arent going to get that much better with only a few weeks of drilling to be honest. Nor your stand up. I advise some basic drills exercises like checking leg kicks, blocking body kicks etc and MMA related sparring drills. Have a partner look to strike under that rule set, your job is to get into range to change levels and shoot or clinch up and get double under hooks and work for a body lock take down and simple trips. To be honest if your striking is really that bad and your TD game sucks you might just want to pull guard lol. Thats why I asked about your sweeps haha. Really, its a limited rules pankration match, its not going to be to hard to to dangerous to get into the clinch and pull guard or work for a trip. Another simple MMA drill that will serve you well...... Take you partner and start in your full guard. He looks strike and pass your guard and you look to defend the strikes, hit a sweep and set up subs. You have 30 seconds to retain your guard or throw it into a scramble etc, if not just start over. If you hit a sweep or a sub start over. Go for five minutes and change positions. Drill the shit ot of your sprawl and pummeling for under hooks as well. I have some pretty decent sweeps from guard and half guard. I'm not too worried about being on the ground, its just going to be getting the fight to the ground. |