Posted: 4/10/2012 5:33:11 AM EDT
One off. You can haz for $100K
ETA: $100K Titanium Rifle and they choose to use a Choate stock? SPECS Titanium Matched Receiver Set 416 Stainless Steel, .308 Win, 1/10 Twist, Black Nitride Finish, 16” HBAR Profile Titanium Customizable Tube Handguard Troy Tritium Micro Set Back Up Iron Sights Titanium Picatinny Handguard Rails Choate 6-position Buttstock Titanium Low Profile Gas Block Titanium Charging Handle with Tactical Latch Hogue Grip with Battery Management System Titanium DRK Compensator KNS Anti-Rotational Pins Timney 4lb Solid Trigger Norgon Ambi Mag Catch Ambi Safety Selector Titanium Buffer Tube Stainless Steel Buffer Titanium Bolt Carrier, Nickel Boron Coated Bolt Trijicon TA648RMR-308 ACOG 6×48 Red Chevron .308 with TA75 Rail and RM02-33 8.0 MOA 8.65 lbs, unloaded with no magazine, optics or sights 35.75” Long, Collapsed, 39” Extended |
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Titanium is cheap and plentiful now, so...I don't see the cost justification vs. aluminum.
Last I checked the cost of hardening tool steel for titanium work didn't surge 1000% either. I don't think FN is even charging that much for the newer M240L and it has a titanium frame. |
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It is a demonstration of machining skill, NOT a solution to a problem. His failure is implying it's a commercial product by mentioning a price. I also don't understand why the firing pin is not TI, after all they are commercially available for 5.56, so there's no structural problem with TI that prohibits its use. Perhaps they don't have a lathe or lathe tools setup for TI. |
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So they replaced the aluminum parts with titanium, and left the steel parts made of steel? Progress? Actually, it seems they just built it as a way to display their manufacturing acumen, and I suppose it works for that. It doesn't really do that either. Ooh look, they can calculate cutting speeds for more than one material. /golfclap |
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I think it's pretty cool. Price tag is stupid though. Question to the machinists out there: Is it much more difficult to machine Ti? Tougher to machine than AL, yes. As tough to machine as a hundred other materials that are machined, regularly, on a daily basis, in a hundred other industries? Nope. This is the same thing as Gillette razor commercials claiming "titanium, the sharpest metal on the planet." That doesn't even make sense. |
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Quoted:Question to the machinists out there: Is it much more difficult to machine Ti?
Not really . . . typically you want to machine Titanium in the 100-125sfm range. Aluminum you can machine about as fast as a lot of machines will go. I cut aluminum on our mill (with 3/8" tools and smaller) as fast as the machine will turn which is 7500rpm and around 400-500sfm. Its also not that fun to plunge into which makes it only slightly more difficult to figure out toolpaths that will work. FWIW, I've broken two end mills in my life from machining too much/fast on titanium. |
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100k my ass... just because you put a price on something it doesn't make it that valuable... not until someone buys it. I'm still waiting for someone to buy my $83,000 ballpoint pen any takers? They don't want someone to buy it. It's their show piece meant to attract attention. They put a price on it so retards won't keep asking, "Hur, yeah, but how much if I wanted to buy it? Like, you know, theoretically, dude?" knowing full well that they don't intend to sell it. |
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It is a demonstration of machining skill, NOT a solution to a problem. His failure is implying it's a commercial product by mentioning a price. I also don't understand why the firing pin is not TI, after all they are commercially available for 5.56, so there's no structural problem with TI that prohibits its use. Perhaps they don't have a lathe or lathe tools setup for TI. For those who ask the question, why can't my firing pin be Ti? Well, quite a few years ago, Ti firing pins were the hottest thing around, that is, until the users find out Ti firing pin tend to mushroom after being shot for a while, and turning your beloved semi-auto into a unregistered open bolt machine gun. |
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It is a demonstration of machining skill, NOT a solution to a problem. His failure is implying it's a commercial product by mentioning a price. I also don't understand why the firing pin is not TI, after all they are commercially available for 5.56, so there's no structural problem with TI that prohibits its use. Perhaps they don't have a lathe or lathe tools setup for TI. For those who ask the question, why can't my firing pin be Ti? Well, quite a few years ago, Ti firing pins were the hottest thing around, that is, until the users find out Ti firing pin tend to mushroom after being shot for a while, and turning your beloved semi-auto into a unregistered open bolt machine gun. I'd read that the ti firing pins in AR15s were chipping at the point. The chipped point would pierce primers. This was years ago a bit after they were initially released so things may have changed. |
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Titanium is cheap and plentiful now, so...I don't see the cost justification vs. aluminum. Last I checked the cost of hardening tool steel for titanium work didn't surge 1000% either. I don't think FN is even charging that much for the newer M240L and it has a titanium frame. EXACTLY!!! Not hard to make a Titanium gun if you have Titanium and a mill.  Nothing special in my opinion.
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Let's see . . . a Sikorsky S-92 rotor hub is milled from a solid block of titanium (a true billet). It spends ~30 days in a CNC machine center getting machined 24x7. That costs about $1 million.
This AR costs 10% as much as an S-92 rotor hub. Is there 10% of the materials and machine work involved? Fuck, no. This is a major ripoff designed to scam money from rich idiots show piece with a retarded "retail" price to impress people. Al Gore's security detail probably has several on order. [Edited to fix potato.] |
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KAC has them beat by .15 pounds and the SR25 includes sights. It is also a LITTLE cheaper. (Hopefully my sarcasm is noted.) http://www.knightarmco.com/sr25.html And it has a full length rail system. Dunnow about what y'all think, but I think that Titanium AR is pretty darn ugly as well as being poorly designed and set up. However, for a marketing gimmick to get everyone's attention, that rifle has succeeded 100% |
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Titanium is cheap and plentiful now, so...I don't see the cost justification vs. aluminum. Last I checked the cost of hardening tool steel for titanium work didn't surge 1000% either. I don't think FN is even charging that much for the newer M240L and it has a titanium frame. EXACTLY!!! Not hard to make a Titanium gun if you have Titanium and a mill. Nothing special in my opinion.How do you think they came up with the $98,000 figure? Just made up a number? |
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Titanium is cheap and plentiful now, so...I don't see the cost justification vs. aluminum. Last I checked the cost of hardening tool steel for titanium work didn't surge 1000% either. I don't think FN is even charging that much for the newer M240L and it has a titanium frame. EXACTLY!!! Not hard to make a Titanium gun if you have Titanium and a mill. Nothing special in my opinion.How do you think they came up with the $98,000 figure? Just made up a number? The labor cost for using a German master gunmaker's mill to machine the parts drove the cost to unreasonable levels. Either that, or the Pentagon is involved. [A German gunmaker's mill is his apprentice and his files and chisels.] |