[ARCHIVED THREAD] - To catch a Predator (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/18/2007 6:13:12 PM EDT
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The one cop that showed up was packing allot of heat. He had a ar15 a benelli shotgun a s&w snub nose & some other handgun with ammo & extra mags. he said he had it all for his on duty police work but the chief at his department said it was bs & he wasnt authorised to carry most of it. That one asshole showed up with rope & duct tape 
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That show is such theatrical bullshit, it borders on illegal/entrapment and completely falsified. I think the predators should burn here and in the afterlife, but someone has ot cry entrapment on alot of their methods. Also, why do the police confront EVERY one of the molester suspects with their guns drawn? I want a justification for that. That and the fact that no one has ever attempted to slug that Chris Hansen guy in the face and make a run for it lead me to believe it's some kind of dramatized reenactment or something. p.s. HunterGren, love the avatar. |
That'll be next. |
| Personally if it was my neighborhood they were filming in, I would be pissed. Attracting all those perverts to my neck of the woods. Sorta like chumming for sharks at the beach. As for entrapment, fuck it I would rather see these goofs entrapped than actually humping on a kid. |
Remember that next time someone asks you if you know how to make an AK full auto, or walks up to you in a gun show after you have purchased a firearm and offers you double what you paid for it. Once upon a time both were favorite of the ATF to keep goofs like you from owning firearms. Entrapment is entrapment no matter how heinous the crime. |
So, you have no problem with Bloomberg sending his agents in to gunstores to commit straw purchases to try and shut down dealers? Same tactics. |
Explain to me why we can't entrap child predators. FWIW, I don't see a problem with ATF agents trying to perform straw purchases. If the FFL suspects it's a straw purchase, stop the transaction and tell them to get out. Maybe I'm not thinking straight - kind of tired. |
Ok...Entrapment: 18 Year old or older pretends to be 13-15. Enters 18+ Chatroom and tells someone they know to be older than 18 they would like to have sex with them. When the guy shows up, in reality an 18 year old is at home . They arrest him for talking about having sex with someone who lied about their age. No actual crime is committed. ATF agent pesters a gun owner or gunsmith to illegally shorten his shotgun or rifle. They say no, but the agent persists until they comply. Then they go to jail. |
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they should make a show called "to beat down a predator" same concept but when they show up they dont just sit down and give them the 5th degree they take a bat/stick what ever on them!  i bet that would make those sick bastards think twice about what they where about to do. Mt hunter |
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i will say intending to do something and actually doing an act are two very different things. if someone has a clean record prior to these little sting ops, i think they should a relatively light sentence without jail time imposed. However if they are repeat offenders with a history and record, i say burn them at the stake. oh yeah, and raise your kids not to be little fucking sluts that go online and beg for sex from older men. i think the real predators are the ones that show up uninvited to do the deed. |
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No, I don't. |
why dont you? bloomberg sent private investigators to commit crimes. these were not federal agents. these were civilians lying on federal forms and doing straw purchases for bloomberg. how come they get super citizen powers...... oh yeah lets not forget that bloomberg was way way way far from having any sort of jurisdiction in that area. also bloombergs little publicity stunt screwed up ongoing federal investigations on the same shops. |
+1000  Proof positive that when you touch a hot button issue that affects .04% of American households the nation will unite and a network will spend all kinds time and effort exploiting the soft target. But take an issue that dramatically affects 100% of the population with so much as a kernel of controversy and it spins out of control. Illegals are drug dealers, thieves, parasites, gang members, hit and run liabilities AND fucking child rapists. I would love to see a show where there is a "phantom lawn service" or better yet, some online solicitation that issues fake photo IDs and have the shitbags come in and sit before the cameras. Only they don't get a little interview with lemonade before an arrest... they get ridiculed by a panel of comedians who performed at the Apollo. When they leave, a cloud of wasps is released, which stings them to death. |
So why the fuck are you on a pro gun board? YOu really have no idea what any of this is about. The stings are forms of entrapment. There is no child. therre is no underage person. And i nthe case of Bloomberg, there was no way to avoid the straw purchase, because the people LIED on the forms. YO uever work retail in the firearms buisness? I didn't think so. YOu think it's super easy to tell when a criminal comes in to buy a gun? It isn't. In addition to that, the ATF has conducted ops where people have used fake id's, And guess what? The names and SSN's don't bounce back a report in NCIS!Why? Because the names and SSN's DON'T HAVE A CRMINAL FLAG ATTACHED. Pretty fucked up, don't you think? |
Well ask you shall receive... happened just the other day. Strangely enough a cop from TX shot himself. Now his family is sueing NBC. |
No shit, if someone INSISTS that I cut off a shotgun barrel to an illegal length..... That sounds like a drawdown situation to me  ETA: The guy is a star, I'm sure he has protection VERY close by I doubt, REALLY doubt that he is depending on the local LEOs to protect him And, I hope he nails every single one of those dumbass wannabe child molesters |
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I have no problem with the TV show plastering these guys all over the place. It is NOT entrapment because the show people are just in the chat room and they never makes the first contact. Otherwise they would be acting as agents of the police. The equivilant would be them going to a gun show and hanging around. You would have to go up to them and ask them to saw off your shotgun barrel or something. As long as it remains like this I have no problem. |
No it isn't. The child molesters approach the tv people, not the other way around. |
The "child" never contacts the pedophile and "tells someone they know to be older than 18 they would like to have sex with them". The lowlife child molesters are always the ones who initiate all contact and describe the sex acts they would like to perform on children, often sending them pictures of their genitals. There is no entrapment. The crime of soliciting someone online that one believes to be underage is, in fact, the crime that is commited. Showing up at the "childrens" homes bringing condoms and such, is the icing on the cake that proves intent. I'll bet many of the scumbags who show up have already successfully molested several kids and perhaps even their own. Yeah I feel sorry for them; fuckem. |
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Everyone here screaming "entrapment" needs to: Go to a Yahoo chat room. Set up your profile as a 12-13 year old girl. Enter the chat room. Start chatting about "normal" (to a teen) stuff. Shortly thereafter the pervs will initiate contact and initiate the sexual conversation even after being told up front that they are communicating with a minor. Try it. You'll want to shower afterwards. And don't do this little experiment from work since the content will grossly violate your HR/IT department's policies. |
| You guys that talk of entrapment think that they ONLY would do this because they were tricked and would not be looking for it otherwise? The older I get and the more I realize there are a LOT of perverted, sick people that scare the hell out of me, especially around kids. |
I have quite a few problems with the show but the above is quite a big one. By plastering these guys with all the data on them all over national tv, that's really laying the odds against finding an unbiaised jury and a fair trial, the basic concept of our society. Conceptually, if they can't get a fair trial, they can be released. Now, I've only heard of one case of that happening, a murder trial during the Viet Nam war, but the potential is there. Assuming the procedure is legal, what's the (law enforcement) point of doing the display if it's going to blow the court chances? ________________________________________________________ ("Can you render a fair, unbiaised decision in a trial?"--counselor "Sure, if the price is right."--Rat during jury interviews, (w,stte), "Pearls Before Swine") |
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I've thought the same thing, but I bet there is a LEO standing behind a door ready for it. I don't like entrapment, but these pukes are stalking the internet looking for their prey. I don't have a problem with this one. |
They are told online that they are talking to a 12, 13, etc... year old. Most break the law by sending pictures of their johnson to the "child". They go willingly. They should be castrated on the show. |
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It is not entrapment. It is no different thana UC detective driving around and having a hooker walk up and tell him a price for a sex act. The detectives do not force the person to talk about it. The hookers have the intent to complete the act, they are only stopped by the arrest. Same applies to the child predators. The show up to that house with full expectation of molesting a 13 or 14 yoa little girl. No one forces them to prowl the internet, no one forces them to buy a plane ticket or drive to to the location. When they arrive they have commited the illegal acts. As for the FFL who caves to pestering to commit an illegal act....He deserves to go to prison and have his license revoked. He is the reason the anti's have ammunition to use against us. " hey look this guy did illegal stuff, so all FFL's must do illegal stuff" Oh.....BTW....you guys that are defending these child molesters for being entraped must not have little kids. If you did, you would want them off the street ASAP. |
First of all, I'm not defending them for entrapment. I do have questions about civilians acting as a police agency, I do have questions about legality of any charges of an attack on a minor when that attack is on a non existant minor, I do have questions about appears to be making a crime out of thought where there is no actual physical event, but as far as entrapment goes, no, that's not there. And it is correct that I do not have children. What I believe is that in the United States of America, we enforce our laws legally, not because the apparent offense gets our blood boiling. If a person is to be charged with a crime, then the crime must have actually occurred, not because it appears that it will occur (since we don't have a charge of conspiracy, that's not the issue here). I believe we are missing at least one critical element in these situations; the actual minor. Some may see that as okay, as just good enough. I do not unless the courts so state that it is sufficient. Why? Because that is our system of goverment, of justice. While I might personally feel or not feel that they will commit the crime, until they commit that crime, it is immaterial. Getting them off the streets ASAP can only occur if due process of law is followed. That's the way our system works. We are suppose to the pillar of freedom to the world. With that title, comes some responsibilities and risks, which includes applying the safeties and laws equally to all. _________________________________________________ ("Oh, what does it matter if he shot the cop or not? He's bound to be guilty of something!"--prosecutor's girlfriend about a charged black man, (w,stte), "Blue Jean Cop") |
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The crime has been committed, they solicited a minor for sex. The intent is there, though the person is not actually underage, the offenders made the solicitations to someone they thought to be a child. As for the civilians acting as agents for the police, this has been going on for decades. CI's have been getting info and handing it over to the cops for a long time. Many a narcotics unit has sent civilians to drug houses to make buys to assist in getting search warrants. If you are commiting a crime, and most people know they are, you should be prepared to be arrested. If the cops use a CI or a decoy to do it, good for them. |
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If you are against entrapping and stopping and prosecuting child rapists or attempted child rapists, then you must be a child rapist yourself. How can anyone honestly be against this in anyway. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke  Sick fucks! They deserve to be hanging at the end of a rope... |