[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Toyota recalls the latest gen Tundra (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 5/30/2024 10:24:38 PM EDT
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https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. |
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Toyota replaced the dashboards on ‘03 and ‘04 4Runners because of cracking… They issued the recall 12yrs after the fact lol. They replaced mine in 2015 or 16. They have good CS, the dealer dragged their feet, made excuses, for a year. I called Toyota HQ and by the end of the day the dealer had called and set up an appointment and Toyota had a new dash delivered in 24hrs. I don’t like the direction Toy has taken, but I was never unhappy with them. |
| Toyota repainted a family member's 10 year old vehicle because of a bad paint job. I know someone else that had problems with their 2016 Tacoma (first year of that gen) and they Didn't do anything for him. It all depends on pending legal actions (for the specific problems) happening in the background.--that's my take on it... |
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Quoted: The advice "Never buy a first year model" even applies to Toyota I guess. Indeed. Going for the new model is going for all the problems they don't know they have yet. That Toyota is taking this sort of drastic action is a good thing...although resolution is still not outlined. What seems to be necessary in these cases is an engine rebuild, which isn't making a lot of consumers happy. A complete engine replacement would be preferred, but we'll see what Toyota does. Their dealership network is probably ill-equipped to inspect and rebuild `100,000 + engines. |
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Quoted: Toyota didn't do squat for the 2005 Tacoma that had a weak head gasket that liked to give it up at about 150K. The repair is about $3000 and not done that often, so a good technician to get it done right is hard to find. 1GR head gaskets were part number superseded by late '05 or '06, depending. There's a good number of knowledgeable folks who believe the HG failure is a result, not a cause, of an overheat episode.But there was a new part. I'm unsure why any skilled tech couldn't do a HG R&R? |
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Quoted: I learned that lesson with a Camry. Quoted: Quoted: The advice "Never buy a first year model" even applies to Toyota I guess. I learned that lesson with a Camry. Alternator went out, evap core leaked in dash, timing cover oil seepage. All before 100k |
| The nearest Toyo dealer called me in an attempt to buy my '21 Tundra Crewmax TRD Pro with 30k miles from me....for $5K MORE in cash than they sold it to me for last year. I laughed in V8 master class and declined. I'll stay with my current truck, thanks. I have no desire to keep up with the Jones's. I love Tundras and drove a new one while mine was being serviced 2 months ago and loathed it. Not a fan of them at all, but at least they're actively trying to fix it. |
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Quoted: best trucks built. consumer reports told me. CR  (I know man  ) Still there's more thorough, non self selected long term measures that bear out QRD. There's always methodological shortcomings but DBL is a pretty good look.Attached File https://www.dashboard-light.com/vehicles/Toyota_Tundra.html Fairly consistently, over a wide and sometime deep set of different surveys/studies, Toyota tends to be ranked very high for individual models. Especially very long term (time/use) measures. Tundra has tended to be at the top. Obviously this debut with the failing wastegates and now the swarf issue may impact this.  Is Toyota V35A-FTS Engine Reliable? Well..It's Not That Simple Production defect is likely going to make a number of people more happy than if this was an intrinsic design flaw. |
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I can tell you that it is all the new generation Tundra and LX years with the twin turbo V6. On Tuesday I was walking through the shop with the service manager at a West Texas Toyota dealer and they had three new generation Tundras on racks. He said they've done 14 engines on 2022, 2023, and 2024 models. One dealer. Another dealer (Northern Arkansas) had seven Tundras on the lot waiting for engines. A Houston Lexus dealer had three LX600 -one with 12,000 miles- need new engines. Finally, the #1 Toyota Tundra dealer in the world? "I've lost count." To compound issues, Toyota is only authorizing short blocks, so techs have to tear down and rebuild engines and they can miss damage. This is why one Tundra forum guy has had three engines. |
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Quoted: Other than engine swap, what else could be their "remedy"? Thusfar it seems to have been a long and rather precarious rebuild process by dealer techs...which hasn't seemed to make owners happy. Engine swap is the most logical conclusion and frankly probably has less expense than trying to rebuild the existing engine. |
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Quoted: I can tell you that it is all the new generation Tundra and LX years with the twin turbo V6. On Tuesday I was walking through the shop with the service manager at a West Texas Toyota dealer and they had three new generation Tundras on racks. He said they've done 14 engines on 2022, 2023, and 2024 models. One dealer. Another dealer (Northern Arkansas) had seven Tundras on the lot waiting for engines. A Houston Lexus dealer had three LX600 -one with 12,000 miles- need new engines. Finally, the #1 Toyota dealer in the world? "I've lost count." To compound issues, Toyota is only authorizing short blocks, so techs have to tear down and rebuild engines and they can miss damage. This is why one Tundra forum guy has had three engines. Right. That's why the best answer is to bite the bullet and just replace engines. Complete swap has to take less time than trying to rebuild a short block and adopting the liability that goes along with that. |
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Quoted: Indeed. Going for the new model is going for all the problems they don't know they have yet. That Toyota is taking this sort of drastic action is a good thing...although resolution is still not outlined. What seems to be necessary in these cases is an engine rebuild, which isn't making a lot of consumers happy. A complete engine replacement would be preferred, but we'll see what Toyota does. Their dealership network is probably ill-equipped to inspect and rebuild `100,000 + engines. Didnt they do frame replacement for like 5 years worth of 4runners, and tacomas? |
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Quoted: Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. Attached File |
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Quoted: I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/1000011716_png-3227868.JPG It would be very hard to make any single piece cast cradle like that less stiff than conventional 4 bolt main caps. Most OEMs went to cradles for a lot of their engines ages ago for NVH, and found that engine longevity was a knock-on benefit. |
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Quoted: Toyota replaced the dashboards on ‘03 and ‘04 4Runners because of cracking… They issued the recall 12yrs after the fact lol. They replaced mine in 2015 or 16. They have good CS, the dealer dragged their feet, made excuses, for a year. I called Toyota HQ and by the end of the day the dealer had called and set up an appointment and Toyota had a new dash delivered in 24hrs. I don’t like the direction Toy has taken, but I was never unhappy with them. My third owner '91 4Runner had head gaskets replaced under warranty in 2007. There is no question that Toyota goes above and beyond. There's a reason they're crazy reliable. |
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Quoted: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. I'm on my 4th, maybe 5th recall, on my '21 F150 on top of the 3 warranty repairs (rear bearings, rear suspension, rear door fitment). So I really can't remember. Seems Ford issues a recall but can't do anything about it because they don't have the parts. So I get a recall notice and wait for the call to tell me to bring my truck in. What a shit show this truck has been. Never again Ford. Ford can FOAD. Back to Nissan or Toyota as soon as feasible. |
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It's pretty telling how often I see late model junk broken down, either for something stupid (sensor) or catastrophic (drivetrain). our 2012 Cr-V is currently deadlined due to a fucking electronic module- Electronic Power Steering. stupid car can barely get to 15 mph, due to "Caution- limp mode". I'll keep driving my old "junk" as certain members here refer to my old trucks and jeeps. you guys keep enjoying your "wonder" rides... 
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Quoted: It would be very hard to make any single piece cast cradle like that less stiff than conventional 4 bolt main caps. Most OEMs went to cradles for a lot of their engines ages ago for NVH, and found that engine longevity was a knock-on benefit. Quoted: Quoted: I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/1000011716_png-3227868.JPG It would be very hard to make any single piece cast cradle like that less stiff than conventional 4 bolt main caps. Most OEMs went to cradles for a lot of their engines ages ago for NVH, and found that engine longevity was a knock-on benefit. It would also be very coincidental there's debris issue AND some other. Unless the suggestion is the debris issue is just a cover.  But other power-train engineers share your opinion when I've asked about the cradle theory which has been promulgated in YT and forums. |
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Quoted: At least they’re trying to fix it. Most other manufacturers would just say it’s “normal” engine failure. Lol, no. All manufacturers have a warranty. Toyota is fucking over their customers actually. Engine fails from spun bearing (twin turbo non the less), the warranty fix is a replacement SHORT block. Body off the frame, engine completely disassembled and rebuilt, and all rushed so they dont have to buy it back under lemon law due to repair time. People are reporting the truck comes back with the cheap ass plastics broken because the techs were rushed to replace the short block. Only to have it fail, because SURPRISE metal in oil gets everywhere in the engine. |
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Quoted: But other power-train engineers share your opinion when I've asked about the cradle theory which has been promulgated in YT and forums.  Elmo seems to share the reaction of the techs and service managers I've spoken to. I don't know enough about engines in general or these engine failures or in particular to diagnose it. I do know that this sucks for Toyota. The service manager I referenced in my first post was pretty pissed off about the whole situation. He said it was embarrassing. |
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Quoted: I can tell you that it is all the new generation Tundra and LX years with the twin turbo V6. On Tuesday I was walking through the shop with the service manager at a West Texas Toyota dealer and they had three new generation Tundras on racks. He said they've done 14 engines on 2022, 2023, and 2024 models. One dealer. Another dealer (Northern Arkansas) had seven Tundras on the lot waiting for engines. A Houston Lexus dealer had three LX600 -one with 12,000 miles- need new engines. Finally, the #1 Toyota Tundra dealer in the world? "I've lost count." To compound issues, Toyota is only authorizing short blocks, so techs have to tear down and rebuild engines and they can miss damage. This is why one Tundra forum guy has had three engines. Usually the whole engine is condemned if they find metal blown through the lube system. I mean, if you took it in and were paying yourself that would be what they would tell you. Not just Toyota, but pretty much any mfg. |
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Quoted: I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/1000011716_png-3227868.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/1000011716_png-3227868.JPG I'm with you. I don't think it's a debris issue either. These new engines make a hilarious amount of torque practically off idle. Like it messes with your mind amount. They upped the game on power density per cube. No one seems to give them credit for that. Just the bitching. Locally they've done 2 last I heard. And there's a pile of them around here now. It think it's an architecture issue on some. They'll figure it out at some point. It'll probably require diesel engine lower half thoughts to solve. Mine has about 28k on it. What a fucking riot to drive! Now that it's starting to feel broke in it really fucking moves out. That amount of torque and whip and spur in a stock consumer grade truck is just incredible. We like the tundra so much the wife wants to try out a GX550, maybe get one in a year or two. Cant have an omelette if you don't break a few eggs
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| My 22 truck had this issue- blew the engine going down the interstate with 37k on it. This happened in February. To their credit, they towed to the nearest dealer, gave me a loaner truck that had 7 miles on it, and had to completely rebuild all parts of the truck that oil passed through. The service manager at the time knew about the issue they were having- back then he said it was debris in the engine. The bill when I got my truck back a month later was over $38,000. I paid nothing- Toyota covered it all (I had the platinum warranty, but the service manager said even if I didn't have it, they would have covered it). I still struggle to wrap my head around how the repairs could be over half the value of the vehicle... |
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Quoted: I'm with you. I don't think it's a debris issue either. These new engines make a hilarious amount of torque practically off idle. Like it messes with your mind amount. They upped the game on power density per cube. No one seems to give them credit for that. Just the bitching. Locally they've done 2 last I heard. And there's a pile of them around here now. It think it's an architecture issue on some. They'll figure it out at some point. It'll probably require diesel engine lower half thoughts to solve. Mine has about 28k on it. What a fucking riot to drive! Now that it's starting to feel broke in it really fucking moves out. That amount of torque and whip and spur in a stock consumer grade truck is just incredible. We like the tundra so much the wife wants to try out a GX550, maybe get one in a year or two. Cant have an omelette if you don't break a few eggs Have you driven the previous gen Tundra? My ‘21 V8 is sports car fast and especially so when the tow haul sport button is engaged. I don’t believe they could’ve improved performance much and still had a drivable vehicle for most folks. |
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The ladyfriend has been eyeing a new LX600. It would be awkward for me (Mr. Toyota) if she got into one and it shit the bed. It would be nice to find a NOS LX570 on a lot somewhere so she could join me in the 5.7 Master Race. Attached File |
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Quoted: I don't believe it is debris. Some suspect the new main bearing cap design is not rigid enough. Instead of four bolt individual mains like the 5.7 they went to a new cast piece. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/1000011716_png-3227868.JPG I wouldn't argue with that idea. |
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Quoted: The ladyfriend has been eyeing a new LX600. It would be awkward for me (Mr. Toyota) if she got into one and it shit the bed. It would be nice to find a NOS LX570 on a lot somewhere so she could join me in the 5.7 Master Race. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/PXL_20240426_114932143_jpg-3227897.JPG I am looking for a low mileage ‘21 LC Heritage Edition to keep stock to supplement my modded ‘18 Land Cruiser. I plan on remaining part of the 5.7 Master Race for the foreseeable future. I drove the LX600 (F-Sport) and wasn’t super impressed. I think I would rather find an 80-series if I come up short in the HE search. |
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Quoted: https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-model-year-2022-2023-toyota-tundra-and-lexus-lx-vehicles/ Debris inside the engine...likely what's behind the numerous reports of spun bearings and other major engine failures in the 3rd gen Tundra. I'll add that to the other 2 recalls I've yet to get fixed. I should try to call the dealer again, see if parts are available now. |
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Quoted: To compound issues, Toyota is only authorizing short blocks, so techs have to tear down and rebuild engines and they can miss damage. This is why one Tundra forum guy has had three engines. |
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Quoted: Have you driven the previous gen Tundra? My ‘21 V8 is sports car fast and especially so when the tow haul sport button is engaged. I don’t believe they could’ve improved performance much and still had a drivable vehicle for most folks. Quoted: Quoted: I'm with you. I don't think it's a debris issue either. These new engines make a hilarious amount of torque practically off idle. Like it messes with your mind amount. They upped the game on power density per cube. No one seems to give them credit for that. Just the bitching. Locally they've done 2 last I heard. And there's a pile of them around here now. It think it's an architecture issue on some. They'll figure it out at some point. It'll probably require diesel engine lower half thoughts to solve. Mine has about 28k on it. What a fucking riot to drive! Now that it's starting to feel broke in it really fucking moves out. That amount of torque and whip and spur in a stock consumer grade truck is just incredible. We like the tundra so much the wife wants to try out a GX550, maybe get one in a year or two. Cant have an omelette if you don't break a few eggs Have you driven the previous gen Tundra? My ‘21 V8 is sports car fast and especially so when the tow haul sport button is engaged. I don’t believe they could’ve improved performance much and still had a drivable vehicle for most folks. No, it's not. It's actually one of the slowest half-tons. https://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/pickup-truck/?yearMin=2017&yearMax=2020&bodyStyle%5B%5D=120&cylinders%5B%5D=8&transmission%5B%5D=Automatic®ion%5B%5D=Domestic |
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