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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:36:32 AM EST
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Bump to avoid the archives. Been about a month. I suspect they are backlogged and mine should come quickly.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:04:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bump to avoid the archives. Been about a month. I suspect they are backlogged and mine should come quickly. Worthy bump |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:17:30 AM EST
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This is not a ding at you, OP, but I'm kinda shocked the USMC would take such a trivial FOIA seriously. From your post, I suppose they have. I could see an arms room guy getting this and saying WTF and then reporting that it was destroyed without actually verifying the rifle's whereabouts. I know, I'm being very cynical.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:19:34 AM EST
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Quoted: I've been on an A2 rifle kick for the last couple months and finished my 2nd one not too long ago with some spare parts. I sat in bed and thought to myself "Gee, where is my old rifle at?". Did some research and others have done it so It can be done. 15 years later I still have the SN bleached into my brain because Heaven forbid I don't have that in my head at all times for the Senior Drill Instructor or the Drill Instructor. FOIA Submitted today, 12-18-23. We will see where it goes. I think I was the third cycle on A2s. The rifle was pretty polished smooth. At the rate they get get carried and cleaned I am guessing it got a couple re park rebuilds and then stashed after 20 to 40 recruit cycles. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:23:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My rifle from MCRD was a Colt 1974 DoD contract M16A1 Serial No 4835377. We had rifles in my platoon roll marked Colt AR-15 and XM-16E1. Karens of the era mandated that the auto sear, pin, and spring be removed, so no full auto until I checked into my first unit. No, I did not remember the serial number from mammory. Yes, I kept my rifle data book from Edson Range where it was written down. We had those stamped metal burst locks sandwiched under the pistol grip that blocked the safety lever from rotating to Burst. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:28:06 AM EST
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I have a 22 LR single shot bolt action that my 90 YO dad inherited from his older cousin. It has his name on a butt plate stamped on an aluminum strip. I probably ruined any value it had when I refinished the stock 50 years ago.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:34:32 AM EST
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I had so many serial numbers memorized over the years, none still available in my head - that I seem have access to, anyway.
It was been over 30 years since that one. I do remember it being a brand new M16A2. We were the first to get them. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:47:42 AM EST
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Tag to see where this goes…I would like to find out what happen to mine also. M16A2 upper on a Colt M16A1 overstamped lower
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:48:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They probably gave it to Ukraine FPNI |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:51:47 AM EST
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Mine was a M-14. It was probably demiled and sold off for the parts. I recently bought a M-14 walnut stock take off for my M-1A Springfield. It feels comfortable.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:51:57 AM EST
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A friend’s Dad ( WWII USMC combat vet ) put an ad in Shotgun news back in the 1980s offering $$ for his M1.
No luck |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 8:59:02 AM EST
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GM Hydramatic marked M16A1
3381375 Fort Knox, Kentucky C 2/46, January 1990 |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:14:04 AM EST
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Cool story OP
Hopefully it didn't end up in talibans hands |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:18:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not a ding at you, OP, but I'm kinda shocked the USMC would take such a trivial FOIA seriously. From your post, I suppose they have. I could see an arms room guy getting this and saying WTF and then reporting that it was destroyed without actually verifying the rifle's whereabouts. I know, I'm being very cynical. Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not a ding at you, OP, but I'm kinda shocked the USMC would take such a trivial FOIA seriously. From your post, I suppose they have. I could see an arms room guy getting this and saying WTF and then reporting that it was destroyed without actually verifying the rifle's whereabouts. I know, I'm being very cynical. @twistedcomrade All good. I'm aware of someone else doing it and getting a sheet back. M1 Garand owners have done this for a while to find out where their rifles have gone. @mpdphil you okay if I share it here? Quoted: I think I was the third cycle on A2s. The rifle was pretty polished smooth. At the rate they get get carried and cleaned I am guessing it got a couple re park rebuilds and then stashed after 20 to 40 recruit cycles. Mine was beat to hell but I still qualified with it. This was in early 2008. It started my love affair with A2s. Quoted: I had so many serial numbers memorized over the years, none still available in my head - that I seem have access to, anyway. It was been over 30 years since that one. I do remember it being a brand new M16A2. We were the first to get them. I memorized mine and had to repeat it daily at boot camp. Maybe it's a Marine thing-I never rememebered any of my other SNs to the A2s, M4s, A4s, or M4a1s I had. I do still have some of those weapons cards however  |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:21:37 AM EST
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I actually found my old weapons card last week.
Not sure if all branches had a card but we had to have one filled out in the Marines so the armory grabbed the correct rifle. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:22:26 AM EST
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My father remembered his boot camp M1 serial, we came within 6 of it at Rochester show years ago
My A1 Hydromantic 3020774 |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:26:44 AM EST
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I don't know how people remember those serial numbers. I sure cant.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 10:21:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @twistedcomrade All good. I'm aware of someone else doing it and getting a sheet back. M1 Garand owners have done this for a while to find out where their rifles have gone. @mpdphil you okay if I share it here? Mine was beat to hell but I still qualified with it. This was in early 2008. It started my love affair with A2s. I memorized mine and had to repeat it daily at boot camp. Maybe it's a Marine thing-I never rememebered any of my other SNs to the A2s, M4s, A4s, or M4a1s I had. I do still have some of those weapons cards however |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 10:36:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @twistedcomrade All good. I'm aware of someone else doing it and getting a sheet back. M1 Garand owners have done this for a while to find out where their rifles have gone. @mpdphil you okay if I share it here? Mine was beat to hell but I still qualified with it. This was in early 2008. It started my love affair with A2s. I memorized mine and had to repeat it daily at boot camp. Maybe it's a Marine thing-I never rememebered any of my other SNs to the A2s, M4s, A4s, or M4a1s I had. I do still have some of those weapons cards however Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is not a ding at you, OP, but I'm kinda shocked the USMC would take such a trivial FOIA seriously. From your post, I suppose they have. I could see an arms room guy getting this and saying WTF and then reporting that it was destroyed without actually verifying the rifle's whereabouts. I know, I'm being very cynical. @twistedcomrade All good. I'm aware of someone else doing it and getting a sheet back. M1 Garand owners have done this for a while to find out where their rifles have gone. @mpdphil you okay if I share it here? Quoted: I think I was the third cycle on A2s. The rifle was pretty polished smooth. At the rate they get get carried and cleaned I am guessing it got a couple re park rebuilds and then stashed after 20 to 40 recruit cycles. Mine was beat to hell but I still qualified with it. This was in early 2008. It started my love affair with A2s. Quoted: I had so many serial numbers memorized over the years, none still available in my head - that I seem have access to, anyway. It was been over 30 years since that one. I do remember it being a brand new M16A2. We were the first to get them. I memorized mine and had to repeat it daily at boot camp. Maybe it's a Marine thing-I never rememebered any of my other SNs to the A2s, M4s, A4s, or M4a1s I had. I do still have some of those weapons cards however We repeated it daily, but really for only maybe a 3-week period. It was a loooong time ago. Twice as long for me as you. I still remember a lot of other stuff, but might have to be under hypnosis to pull that out. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 10:40:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know how people remember those serial numbers. I sure cant. I have a spreadsheet with several pages of passwords. Can't remember shit.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:06:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually found my old weapons card last week. Not sure if all branches had a card but we had to have one filled out in the Marines so the armory grabbed the correct rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted: I actually found my old weapons card last week. Not sure if all branches had a card but we had to have one filled out in the Marines so the armory grabbed the correct rifle. So I'm not the only one who kept his Gonna go drag mine out, it was for a plain ol' m4 and Acog. Quoted: We repeated it daily, but really for only maybe a 3-week period. It was a loooong time ago. Twice as long for me as you. I still remember a lot of other stuff, but might have to be under hypnosis to pull that out. I remember my address and home phone number from 3rd grade. Also helps I still have my rifle logbook with the number from boot camp also |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:09:10 PM EST
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It’s most likely being used to overthrow a democratically elected administration in some far off country because they’re trying to create their own currency or discovered a new natural resource.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:14:49 PM EST
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I’ve got my range card with the serial # on it. I made some 80% lowers and had it engraved on them in sequence, starting with it.
I forgot my serial #  Push ups for me…. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:22:33 PM EST
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My M-14 has probably been scrapped.
The one is was issued in VN is probably in a museum near Hue. 
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:29:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My M-14 has probably been scrapped. The one is was issued in VN is probably in a museum near Hue. I did not realize you were that old. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:51:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My M-14 has probably been scrapped. The one is was issued in VN is probably in a museum near Hue. You're old
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Posted: 1/16/2024 6:22:28 AM EST
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How does the FOIA work concerning weapons?
Do you really think they are gonna tell you where the guns are??   
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Posted: 1/16/2024 6:49:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the FOIA work concerning weapons? Do you really think they are gonna tell you where the guns are?? You might be surprised. The FOIA requests that people are putting in for CMP 1911s are coming back with info. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 6:54:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the FOIA work concerning weapons? Do you really think they are gonna tell you where the guns are?? yes they will, so looks like you are going to be the suprised one. 
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:50:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @twistedcomrade All good. I'm aware of someone else doing it and getting a sheet back. M1 Garand owners have done this for a while to find out where their rifles have gone. @mpdphil you okay if I share it here? Mine was beat to hell but I still qualified with it. This was in early 2008. It started my love affair with A2s. I memorized mine and had to repeat it daily at boot camp. Maybe it's a Marine thing-I never rememebered any of my other SNs to the A2s, M4s, A4s, or M4a1s I had. I do still have some of those weapons cards however @fadedsun share away! |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:03:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I learned something today. Thanks @fadedsun. @twistedcomrade  Attached FileThis is another member's return. They're taking a little while on mine. Thanks @mpdphil ! |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:14:26 PM EST
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I took the same M4 to Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be awesome if I could get that rifle, but impossible.
I kept all of my notebooks in case and still have all of the serial numbers from my time after OSUT. We used weapon cards in different units, but we had to turn them in when clearing. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:46:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took the same M4 to Iraq and Afghanistan. It would be awesome if I could get that rifle, but impossible. I kept all of my notebooks in case and still have all of the serial numbers from my time after OSUT. We used weapon cards in different units, but we had to turn them in when clearing. I had the same m4a1 for a while but it was sent out on OLS and I never got it back. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 1:01:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @twistedcomrade https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66729/IMG_4144_jpeg-3079898.JPG This is another member's return. They're taking a little while on mine. Thanks @mpdphil ! 
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Posted: 1/23/2024 2:01:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They probably gave it to Ukraine |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 2:03:00 AM EST
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Quoted: What if it was left behind? https://i.redd.it/4uwvqo8jhdd91.jpg https://i.redd.it/fp8t0sw5baw51.png https://i.redd.it/vqv43m8ibks51.jpg Quoted: It's probably in Iraq or Afghanistan quite literally. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 2:06:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yes they will, so looks like you are going to be the suprised one. If I'm surprised by the results, that's great. But they are all probably with the cartel down south now. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:14:33 AM EST
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OP just do an 80% lower and serialize the same as your. Mil model
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:34:04 AM EST
[#39]
The M14 I used was probably shredded with the ship when they scrapped it. The M1 Garand I had in Boot Camp...probably still there.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:23:57 AM EST
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Probably sent to Afghanistan and now some Talib is carrying it around
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:39:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP just do an 80% lower and serialize the same as your. Mil model Quote HistoryQuoted: OP just do an 80% lower and serialize the same as your. Mil model I already made some clones of it but I recently was overcome with curiosity.      Quoted: If I'm surprised by the results, that's great. But they are all probably with the cartel down south now. We will find out hopefully soon. Quoted: Wow, that is unbelievable. Thanks for posting fadedsun. I have to blame the M1 Garand, m1 Carbine, and 1911 guys for this one  On a side note, I wish other governments had the ability to do an equivelant of the FOIA. It'd be cool as hell to find out where an AK parts kit came from but I suspect soviet/cold war/legacy governments were not as up to date on inventory management like the US gov is. Quoted: or the Taliban I hope not but it could have happened. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 10:46:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M14 I used was probably shredded with the ship when they scrapped it. The M1 Garand I had in Boot Camp...probably still there. No, the M14 is probably still in inventory somewhere if we haven't given it to Ukraine yet. The Garand probably went to the CMP, could be in some ARFCOMer's gunsafe. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 10:58:47 AM EST
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Don't bitch about government spending. These requests are benchmark examples of waste.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 11:15:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't bitch about government spending. These requests are benchmark examples of waste.  You do realize that if your FOIA is not easily answered you have to pay for the research, right?
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Posted: 1/23/2024 11:22:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize that if your FOIA is not easily answered you have to pay for the research, right?Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't bitch about government spending. These requests are benchmark examples of waste. You do realize that if your FOIA is not easily answered you have to pay for the research, right?There's a cost to establish an office and staff whether a FOIA is ever submitted or not. Let them work on important issues, not whether some used up tool is sitting in storage. What is the overhead rate, $500, $600 an hour, or more? Beyond trivial, inconsequential minutiae of zero consequence. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 11:38:56 AM EST
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I was our unit armorer and had about 1/2 of the 136 rifle SNs and all of the M60/50 cal #s memorized.
The guy I replaced had them all memorized. As long as we did an inventory in the same order (the SNs weren’t sequential) he could call them off and I would just verify. He’s an accountant and also has a finance degree I don’t remember any of them now without a prompt from my inventory sheet that I still have. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:51:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So? What is "easily answered"? There's a cost to establish an office and staff whether a FOIA is ever submitted or not. Let them work on important issues, not whether some used up tool is sitting in storage. What is the overhead rate, $500, $600 an hour, or more? Beyond trivial, inconsequential minutiae of zero consequence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't bitch about government spending. These requests are benchmark examples of waste. You do realize that if your FOIA is not easily answered you have to pay for the research, right?There's a cost to establish an office and staff whether a FOIA is ever submitted or not. Let them work on important issues, not whether some used up tool is sitting in storage. What is the overhead rate, $500, $600 an hour, or more? Beyond trivial, inconsequential minutiae of zero consequence. Rather useful to establish how many guns were left behind in Afghanistan or we've sent to Ukraine. Individual inquiries like this give clues that lead to larger, more important FOIAs. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:50:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rather useful to establish how many guns were left behind in Afghanistan or we've sent to Ukraine. Individual inquiries like this give clues that lead to larger, more important FOIAs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't bitch about government spending. These requests are benchmark examples of waste. You do realize that if your FOIA is not easily answered you have to pay for the research, right?There's a cost to establish an office and staff whether a FOIA is ever submitted or not. Let them work on important issues, not whether some used up tool is sitting in storage. What is the overhead rate, $500, $600 an hour, or more? Beyond trivial, inconsequential minutiae of zero consequence. Rather useful to establish how many guns were left behind in Afghanistan or we've sent to Ukraine. Individual inquiries like this give clues that lead to larger, more important FOIAs. I'll get behind sneaky exposures of government corruption. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:57:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So? What is "easily answered"? There's a cost to establish an office and staff whether a FOIA is ever submitted or not. Let them work on important issues, not whether some used up tool is sitting in storage. What is the overhead rate, $500, $600 an hour, or more? Beyond trivial, inconsequential minutiae of zero consequence. Do you really want our government "focusing on the important issues"? |
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