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Posted: 4/8/2024 5:29:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxLewis: Excuse me sir. But this is Arfcom, we expect answers much quicker than in a few months. Especially for great threads.  Practically a safe thread... |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 5:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13Joker: Can anything be done for the blight? Rilm’s Gift |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 6:21:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: governmentman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trumpet: Practically a safe thread... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trumpet: Originally Posted By TxLewis: Excuse me sir. But this is Arfcom, we expect answers much quicker than in a few months. Especially for great threads. Practically a safe thread... Yes, but if my nuts turn out to be extra special and all American, I promise to with everyone. So I think arf should be willing to wait. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 6:40:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrote: I do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scrote: Originally Posted By Cypselus: Do you have any pictures of the nuts? I do. Username and all that... |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 7:07:38 PM EDT
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@Kitties-with-Sigs
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Posted: 4/8/2024 7:34:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Piledriver2235]
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Awesome OP. Hope it turns out to be American Chestnut.
Sign me up for seeds please if there is a list. My little boy loves trees and would love to try to grow some here. Edited to add: Of course I also would be more than happy to pay |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 7:45:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Flindelaaf: You dig up dirt from around the tree, put it on the canker, wrap it, and leave the wrap on for a year or a little more. The microbes in the soil will kill the blight fungus enough to let the tree heal the canker. Looked that up. Not really a cure, but a bandaid and one that sounds like a huge pita. Why don't systemic fungicides work? |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 8:14:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13Joker: Looked that up. Not really a cure, but a bandaid and one that sounds like a huge pita. Why don't systemic fungicides work? From what I'm reading, they are not well explored as annual treatment isn't practical at a grove / forest scale, and those tried lose effectiveness over time. https://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/chestnut/breeding/blight/control-blight |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 9:28:46 PM EDT
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I am not sure where you are in the state, but it is very possible that it is an american chestnut. There are multiple larger trees in the Harrisburg area. Penn State University is actively involved in finding a blight resistant variety.
There is a small local group if you are interested in updates: PA / NJ Chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PikeSlayer: Cut it down and make $$$ Mods, please ban this person. RFN. 
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:13:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kitties-with-Sigs]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Tag, a surviving American chestnut would be cool. ETA: Jeeezus...sorry everyone. I didn't mean to spam the thread. It's GD so I assumed it would move quickly like most GD threads. I was playing ketchup. APOLOGIES for the string of posts in a row. ~Kitties There are a number of them that have survived. Getting one to survive to maturity...that's a thing. I believe we will (if the world survives that long) have a resurgence of the American Chestnut, from stock that is not susceptible. But we've a long, long way to go. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: I'll be sending leaf samples to them for identification once leaves are on. If they are the real deal, I'll happily share nuts, especially since the two on my FiL's side seem blight free. OP, I would like to be on your list to receive some of the chestnuts, and would be more than happy to pay for them. (You should not be out money to share these). |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Sounds like you're talking about the American Chestnut Foundation's efforts. The wheat gene thing is only part of a comprehensive effort, but I hadn't read about such a setback. But not sure how even such a setback could equate to "failed." FWIW, OP: info on identification from the American Chestnut Foundation: https://tacf.org/identification/ Agreed. There is a lot going on. I have not heard of "failure." Science is not a straight line, usually. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:24:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thuban: The American Chestnut Tree used to be one of the main trees in our forests. It grew fairly quickly, produced very good wood, and the nuts were plentiful and nutritious both for humans and for the critters humans like to hunt and eat. Then some fungus got introduced that the American Chestnut had no resistance to and virtually all of them were wiped out. There are programs trying to breed an American Chestnut which is blight resistant. Trees take a long time to grow so it is a long term project but the impact of success would be huge both for restoring a native species of plant to our forests and for the economic benefits. Any American Chestnut trees which have survived are likely blight resistant and that means their genes could be very useful for restoring them to our forests. And, it is possible, but unlikely, that a tree could be found which was immune, or nearly immune, to the blight on it's own. If so and if the tree were passing that resistance on to it's... (children, seedlings, offspring? Whatever you call it for trees) then those chestnuts would be quite valuable. A whole lot of landowners would love to get a bunch of blight resistant chestnut seedlings. I have friends with a lot of land and I would personally get my old, lazy, fat ass out in a field to dig holes and plant them if I had the chance. My old, weak, girly ass would be right out there with you, shovel in hand. And gallons of sweet tea for all the other people who were digging. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13Joker: Looked that up. Not really a cure, but a bandaid and one that sounds like a huge pita. Why don't systemic fungicides work? That will build a fungicide resistant disease. And it will do so within just a few years. Bacteria take a while to develop resistance. Fungi do it FAST. We really don't want that disease to become Godzilla. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 10:32:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HourOfAngle]
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They have near here on the national forest. The US Forest Service doesn't announce it. I first found out when I worked for them. It avoids a lot of things like people coming to see, collect seed and who knows what else.
They did a lot of research on it and with others on it. Collecting of DNA and such. Things look a lot different in forest than they did some time ago. The Chestnut obviously has had a drastic decline. 100 years ago the most common pine in the southeast was the Longleaf pine that was used for timber and the sap made into turpentine. That was replaced with loblobby pine in mass numbers/plantings and even the national forest here is mostly loblolly. It makes up around 5% of the pine in the southeast now. At the time of the revolutionary war Britian was logging, buying longleaf on the gulf coast and sending it back to England to help their supply shortage for ship mast and such. |
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Posted: 4/8/2024 11:18:46 PM EDT
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I would be interested in your nuts as well.
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Posted: 4/8/2024 11:55:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xanadu: Username and all that... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xanadu: Originally Posted By Scrote: Originally Posted By Cypselus: Do you have any pictures of the nuts? I do. Username and all that... 
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Posted: 4/9/2024 12:07:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rixae86]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: OP, I would like to be on your list to receive some of the chestnuts, and would be more than happy to pay for them. (You should not be out money to share these). Agreed! I brought some shoots from the plum trees at my old house to the new place. I love carrying on the line of trees, especially when it's a tree that gives me things I can eat. And I want to put more hardwoods on my property. It was logged before I bought it and it's very.... Ugly and bare. I've bought a few trees already, paying for some chestnuts wouldn't bother me in the least. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 12:13:13 AM EDT
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I like trees
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Posted: 4/9/2024 12:29:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: What happened to the mulberry trees? We have mulberry trees all over our family's property. Just go along any fence row and you'll find them around every wooden fence support post. If there's purple shit on that post, you'll have a mulberry tree. I have 3 mulberry trees in my yard that we get fruit from two of them for making jellies and ice cream topping for. I just replanted a new mulberry in my yard a couple years ago and it is only about 3' tall as of right now. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 2:27:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/9/2024 2:34:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tjcj: Not to sound edgy , but what's the big deal about a possible American Chestnut tree ? |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:17:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: governmentman]
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I've been doing a lot of reading, and my not-an-expert guess is the old fella is the real deal and surviving through hypovirulence.
I also think those who said it was regrowth from a stump might be correct. The land was cleared for farming in the 1890s from what my FiL said, and I think the current tree regrew from a big ass stump from when they cleared the land. This would fit with the size and shape of the tree. My FiL's two I'm not sure about - the few leaves I found on the ground are smaller and a little more shaped like an asian chestnut but not entirely (wider middle but still a tapered leaf base), and do have the right fishhook edges for an american. hybrid possibly? I know they are at least 70 years old (FiL remembers them when he was a boy), so hard to say their history. As someone pointed out in the thread, the trunk shape is a little more like an asian chestnut. The two young ones by the big fella are growing up straight and tall. If my FiL's two are hybrids, these might be re-crosses form the surviving american getting pollinated from the hybrids. Very curious to find out once I have leaves to send off for confirmation. I knew nothing about this stuff a week ago, and it has been very interesting reading up about it all and playing guessing games. Funny thing is, my in-laws never really thought about these trees and seemed unaware of the rarity of surviving old chestnuts before I started asking questions. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: American Chestnut Foundation has seeds and seedlings This place sells Chestnut trees, but very expensive The state of TN nursery sells hybrid chestnuts most years. They start taking orders around Labor Day and start filling them January through maybe late March or early April. Just a FWIW/FYI....*ANY* chestnut tree you plant is a gamble. You might get a native chestnut that lives long enough to make nuts, or you might get a hybrid that has some blight resistance and limps along for a long, long time. Or you might plant a Chinese chestnut that does very well. But you will not, likely, at this point in time, get a pure or even nearly-pure American stock that lives to a ripe old age and produces sawtimber and nuts. Plant them anyway.  |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 8:31:22 AM EDT
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Awesome! Thanks for posting.
This is relevant to my interests, as there are some cottonwood groves back home I'd like to get some interesting trees mixed in with. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:27:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Once the leaves are on, I'll be sending samples to TACF for identification. Looking around some more, I have five candidates I'm going to send them; the big old one in the OP, the two my FiL has (they are about 100 yards from the big fella), and two small ones (15 or 20 feet tall) right by the big fella that I think sprouted from fallen nuts. I didn't recognize the two small ones until this morning since the bark on young chestnuts is smooth and I knew next to nothing about trees prior to this. They also seem healthy. Glad I didn't chainsaw them yet. If any of these are confirmed as american chestnuts, I'll either bump this thread or start a new one in the fall and mail out boxes of burs / nuts when new ones are dropping. Count me in. Got 14 acres of shit pine trees I’d love to replace with some chestnuts and other hardwoods. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:43:07 AM EDT
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The house across from my parent's house had a chestnut tree of some kind. I remember the nuts falling with all the spikes on them. Also, my grandparents' place had them, too. I have no idea what kind of chestnut tree they were, though.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 12:47:21 PM EDT
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OP, seeing the house in the background along with the low mountains and winding cow path roads makes me a little homesick.
I hope it's a real deal American Chestnut that's blight resistant. Wife has bought a few of them and we've planted them here, hopefully they'll last long enough to make nuts and marketable timber. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 1:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: For those of you looking for American Chestnut seeds.... This place claims to have blight-free pure American Chestnut seeds. You may want to check them out. https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/products/american-chestnut?variant=42663267958837 Ordered. Thanks. I'll start them in pots inside of the fenced in part of the yard then transplant them to the open 2 acres in the front yard which is open with a fence around them to keep the deer off of them.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 1:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: From what my FiL says, it might have always been multiple trunks splitting out from the base. It's how he remembers it 60+ years ago, and it was pretty big then. Eager to get a look at fresh leaves in a month or so Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Originally Posted By DaveM4K: It sure looks like American Chestnut. I bet the original tree was huge. From what my FiL says, it might have always been multiple trunks splitting out from the base. It's how he remembers it 60+ years ago, and it was pretty big then. Eager to get a look at fresh leaves in a month or so I plant random American Chesnuts in Virginia and that is what the saplings look like. I haven't seen a full gown one, but I'm doing my part to plant new ones |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 3:38:17 PM EDT
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It could be one of two species:
1. American chestnut. Pretty unlikely, as the blight killed (or rather, top-killed, as there's still a lot of old rootstock sprouting back; they just never get big). There's some evidence that a teensy tiny percentage of American has some blight resistance, but I've never seen an American, even with resistance, get that big. If it is American, you've got the unicorn. I'd want to see a living leaf to make a final determination 2. European chestnut. After the fall of the AC in the early 20th century, it was not uncommon for yard or ornamental ECs to be planted, as a way to replace the ACs that died, and as a big FU to the blight. This is probably one of those. It's in a common setting for planting (even if it was a working farm). Let's revisit this after leaf-out! As someone else said, no harm in contacting The American Chestnut Society (I'm a member, why aren't you?  ). They love getting emails from folks with interesting chestnut stories.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 4:51:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: Yes, but if my nuts turn out to be extra special and all American, I promise to with everyone. So I think arf should be willing to wait. ABSOLUTELY…just GD’ing it |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: I've been doing a lot of reading, and my not-an-expert guess is the old fella is the real deal and surviving through hypovirulence. I also think those who said it was regrowth from a stump might be correct. The land was cleared for farming in the 1890s from what my FiL said, and I think the current tree regrew from a big ass stump from when they cleared the land. This would fit with the size and shape of the tree. My FiL's two I'm not sure about - the few leaves I found on the ground are smaller and a little more shaped like an asian chestnut but not entirely (wider middle but still a tapered leaf base), and do have the right fishhook edges for an american. hybrid possibly? I know they are at least 70 years old (FiL remembers them when he was a boy), so hard to say their history. As someone pointed out in the thread, the trunk shape is a little more like an asian chestnut. The two young ones by the big fella are growing up straight and tall. If my FiL's two are hybrids, these might be re-crosses form the surviving american getting pollinated from the hybrids. Very curious to find out once I have leaves to send off for confirmation. I knew nothing about this stuff a week ago, and it has been very interesting reading up about it all and playing guessing games. Funny thing is, my in-laws never really thought about these trees and seemed unaware of the rarity of surviving old chestnuts before I started asking questions. |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 9:57:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Wangstang]
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To the tree specialist and arborist in the thread...what causes this circular ring damage to tree.bark:
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:10:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: albertacoyotecaller]
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We had a row of American chestnut trees in our school yard as a kid in SW Ontario.. I still remember hanging out and playing around them.
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang: To the tree specialist and arborist in the thread...what causes this circular ring damage to tree.bark: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114798/1000018736_jpg-3183669.JPG |
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Posted: 4/9/2024 10:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By albertacoyotecaller: We had a row of American chestnut trees in our school yard as a kid in SW Ontario.. I still remember hanging out and playing around them. Like many things, New York ruined this for America. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:29:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Flindelaaf]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: What happened to the mulberry trees? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: What happened to the mulberry trees? @Cycolac, Asian mulberries were introduced into the United States in the 1700s. They look somewhat similar to the native American mulberry and have taken over in most regions of the U.S., except for Tennessee and Kentucky. Asian mulberries grow and spread like weeds and genetically flood the environment and have become the dominant mulberry species in many/most areas. Originally Posted By Triumphman: We have mulberry trees all over our family's property. Just go along any fence row and you'll find them around every wooden fence support post. If there's purple shit on that post, you'll have a mulberry tree. I have 3 mulberry trees in my yard that we get fruit from two of them for making jellies and ice cream topping for. I just replanted a new mulberry in my yard a couple years ago and it is only about 3' tall as of right now. @Triumphman, without seeing pictures, I would wager that the mulberry trees on your family's property are Asian mulberries, particularly if they are not in the deep woods. I've only ever found one native America mulberry in south central Pennsylvania. Of the thousands I have seen in Pennsylvania, they were all Asian. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:17:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang: To the tree specialist and arborist in the thread...what causes this circular ring damage to tree.bark: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114798/1000018736_jpg-3183669.JPG woodpeckers |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 1:54:51 PM EDT
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Random pics of ones I've found growing wild out in the woods in Virginia, North Carolina, and Maryland.
These are sprouts from original rootstock that got killed over a hundred years ago. Think about that. Blight kills tree in the early 20th century. Tree says "FU, blight, Imma gonna sprout!" Blight says "FU, tree, Imma gonna kill you again!!" Lather, rinse, repeat for over a century. Boggles the mind. Chestnut is one tenacious beast.  Ko Chestnut by FredMan, on Flickr Chestnut Leaf-out by FredMan, on Flickr BI1002 American Chestnut by FredMan, on Flickr Chestnut Sprouts by FredMan, on Flickr Chestnut by FredMan, on Flickr |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 1:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wangstang: To the tree specialist and arborist in the thread...what causes this circular ring damage to tree.bark: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114798/1000018736_jpg-3183669.JPG Sapsuckers (birds). And that's some flavor of hickory. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 2:18:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: American Chestnuts were once "America's Tree". Huge, lovely trees, great mast, the real grandfathers of the forest. Much like the big elms that once lined many of our streets. Then a foreign blight came in and wiped them all out. American Chestnut is probably the #1 tree most people would like to see make a comeback. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jodan1776: Originally Posted By Tjcj: Not to sound edgy , but what's the big deal about a possible American Chestnut tree ? I wonder what species will be next. I have a beautiful tulip poplar in my yard that is the bane of my leaf collection efforts each fall. Kharn |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 5:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flindelaaf: @Cycolac, Asian mulberries were introduced into the United States in the 1700s. They look somewhat similar to the native American mulberry and have taken over in most regions of the U.S., except for Tennessee and Kentucky. Asian mulberries grow and spread like weeds and genetically flood the environment and have become the dominant mulberry species in many/most areas. @Triumphman, without seeing pictures, I would wager that the mulberry trees on your family's property are Asian mulberries, particularly if they are not in the deep woods. I've only ever found one native America mulberry in south central Pennsylvania. Of the thousands I have seen in Pennsylvania, they were all Asian. Thanks for the info. How can you tell the difference between the American and Asian mulberry trees/bushes? |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 8:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn: I wonder what species will be next. I have a beautiful tulip poplar in my yard that is the bane of my leaf collection efforts each fall. Kharn A YP (yellow-poplar) blight would be disastrous. Aside from the ubiquity of the tree, it’s a member of the magnolia family and I’d hate to see crossover into southern magnolia. But I think YP is a pretty hardy species, there’s no normal insect or disease problems with it that I’m aware of. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 8:47:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Panta_Rei]
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Wouldn't it be something if you have a legit tree that is or became naturally resistant.....you'd have the purest stock, lotto, my friend. Obviously the tree was cut a long time ago, does your family have record about it?
Some peopl3 were inherently immune to COVID, why wouldn't there be a specimen of tree that could do the same. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:14:20 PM EDT
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I have 2 on my farm growing naturally in the woods. They are both fairly young, around 40' and 12-14'' DBH. I do not expect them to survive more than a decade or so from now. They are producing chestnuts and probably offspring I'm sure. I'm assuming that's how these wild young ones are still around. They make it 25-35 years before the blight gets them. They drop a couple seeds which repeats the cycle. But they never grow to maturity.
I saw a monster in southern PA in the early 2000's on a home remodel job i was working. Oder lady had it in her back yard and had no signs of blight. She told me there were people studying it, and taking cuttings to see if it was naturally blight resistant back then. As far as i know it's still there. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:18:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sovereign14er: I have 2 on my farm growing naturally in the woods. They are both fairly young, around 40' and 12-14'' DBH. I do not expect them to survive more than a decade or so from now. They are producing chestnuts and probably offspring I'm sure. I'm assuming that's how these wild young ones are still around. They make it 25-35 years before the blight gets them. They drop a couple seeds which repeats the cycle. But they never grow to maturity. I saw a monster in southern PA in the early 2000's on a home remodel job i was working. Oder lady had it in her back yard and had no signs of blight. She told me there were people studying it, and taking cuttings to see if it was naturally blight resistant back then. As far as i know it's still there. ETA Your leaf and bark look right for chestnut, but your seed pod looks small for american chestnut. Doesn't mean much because they make small ones too from time to time. average size should be a lot bigger in my limited experience with them. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 9:22:52 PM EDT
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I am also a home for a seed or two.
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Posted: 4/10/2024 11:31:27 PM EDT
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Interested in seeds if possible in the future.
I had ordered some seedlings from Chief River in Wisconsin, but they cancelled as it got close to shipping time this spring, no supply this year. |
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