[ARCHIVED THREAD] - True or False (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/4/2010 11:20:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: An average deer hunter is a super sniper in the sandbox. This quote got me thinking. What do you say? |
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False.
The average deer hunter is, at best, competent for making short range shots on a deer from a stand. He might make for a "super sniper" on the jihad side of the house but they wouldn't even let him into the arms room where the real American snipers keep their rifles. The fieldcraft and marksmanship exhibited by our snipers is within the reach of almost anyone but almost nobody actually reaches that level. |
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As long as they can shoot from the seat of their truck they'll be fine. I got into a little discussion a number of years ago with a couple of "expert" hunters. They were using scoped 7mm and 300 Magnum rifles to hunt whitetail. They told me my 30-30 lever action was "worthless". I invited them to trot out with me to the 100 yard line, put up targets, then trot back and take a few off hand shots. Poor bastards barely made it back to the firing line, they were so out of breath one refused to even try, the other took 3 shots and didn't hit paper once. I cranked 5 of the 94 Winchester, all in the 6" black. Your average deer hunter would make as good a sniper as your average Guitar Hero player would make a rock musician. |
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Quoted: As long as they can shoot from the seat of their truck they'll be fine. I got into a little discussion a number of years ago with a couple of "expert" hunters. They were using scoped 7mm and 300 Magnum rifles to hunt whitetail. They told me my 30-30 lever action was "worthless". I invited them to trot out with me to the 100 yard line, put up targets, then trot back and take a few off hand shots. Poor bastards barely made it back to the firing line, they were so out of breath one refused to even try, the other took 3 shots and didn't hit paper once. I cranked 5 of the 94 Winchester, all in the 6" black. Your average deer hunter would make as good a sniper as your average Guitar Hero player would make a rock musician. I have to agree and I only do pest control now but I see all the iwanabe snipers all the time , I randomly tell them to point the gun at their foot and pull the trigger , they never do without checking first |
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only in the mind of the average deer hunter. I used to hate those guys coming into the shop I worked at that would swear you had to have the newest most deadly thing out there
"Gotta get ya a 300 superduper winremmaxihed 454 whitelightening deluxe that is deadly out to 4500 yards. with a loopyburrispinktailzeissamericaniorextreme 56x90x60scope with at there supermax killer 400 grain explosive charge made from depleted urianium" So how far do you shoot on average? "oh bout 150 yards " 
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I hunt with a group of guys who were sending Leupolds to Premiere Reticle for custom reticles and shooting elk at 650 yards after walking up and down through Colorado country when 300 yards was considered "long range hunting." They are as good at estimating range, wind, and drop than anyone I know.
I also know they're far from your average hunter. But I don't think they're as uncommon as the black rifle crowd likes to think. |
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False. A few average hunters know that if they zero a rifle for an inch or so above the aiming point the bullet will hit the spot they're aiming at, within the size of a paper plate, out to about 200 yards. A fair number have no idea and maybe zero at whatever distance is handy and consider it good to go. A small number consider the bullet flies along an arc, not a straight line like a laser. A microscopic number understand the wind blows the bullet around.
All of ARFcom can hold a half minute in the standing position with a Mosin Nagant, and shoot a case of ammo without crying or working up a bruise. |
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Perhaps the entire quote will shed some light on the actual context of the statement
Quoted: Iraq & Astan was a problem because we played by the rules. If we had the same rules and the Russians, things would be alot more quiet. I'm not saying that would be a good thing, BTW. The problem with that is that in Iraq and Afghanistan, we were fighting a group with a 7th grade education level and a fatalistic view on life. We have a lot of motivated, driven, and educated people i the USA.... If blue helmets or chinese hordes ever invaded they could not capture and hold any part of the USA unless they killed every living human in their AO. There could be no occupation. An average deer hunter is a super sniper in the sandbox.. eta: from this thread |
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Met a guy in at the Country Store, yes that is the name of it, about a mile and a half from where I live and he asked if I "ever shot me a big buck".
I told him, "no, I have never hunted deer" him " You oughta try it, its fun. My buddy and I were down south and we seen some 'bout 800 yards out. 3 of em. We both fired and he missed his and I shot my second one while it was runnin."
Me "800 yards out, running?" 
him" yup, nice clean kill" 
Me "Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhttttt" 
Retard probably couldn't hit a freakin locamotive running at 800 yards. |
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Met a guy in at the Country Store, yes that is the name of it, about a mile and a half from where I live and he asked if I "ever shot me a big buck". I told him, "no, I have never hunted deer" him " You oughta try it, its fun. My buddy and I were down south and we seen some 'bout 800 yards out. 3 of em. We both fired and he missed his and I shot my second one while it was runnin."
Me "800 yards out, running?"
him" yup, nice clean kill"
Me "Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhttttt"
Retard probably couldn't hit a freakin locamotive running at 800 yards. As I read your post, I thought of a guy I know who talks and acts just like that, then I saw you're from Ohio and I wondered if it's the same guy.
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Quoted: Quoted: Met a guy in at the Country Store, yes that is the name of it, about a mile and a half from where I live and he asked if I "ever shot me a big buck". I told him, "no, I have never hunted deer" him " You oughta try it, its fun. My buddy and I were down south and we seen some 'bout 800 yards out. 3 of em. We both fired and he missed his and I shot my second one while it was runnin." Me "800 yards out, running?" him" yup, nice clean kill" Me "Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhttttt" Retard probably couldn't hit a freakin locamotive running at 800 yards. As I read your post, I thought of a guy I know who talks and acts just like that, then I saw you're from Ohio and I wondered if it's the same guy. Shotgun slugs go 800 yards? 
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The conditions and situations encountered by an "average" deer hunter (there is no "average deer hunter" BTW, as conditions around the country vary greatly) do not compare to the mission of a military sniper, so this is an unfair, and even silly, comparison.
I would, however, think an "average" deer hunter could be turned into a military sniper with more efficiency than the typical "dirt shooter" who has no other experience. |
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Quoted: False. The average deer hunter is, at best, competent for making short range shots on a deer from a stand. He might make for a "super sniper" on the jihad side of the house but they wouldn't even let him into the arms room where the real American snipers keep their rifles. The fieldcraft and marksmanship exhibited by our snipers is within the reach of almost anyone but almost nobody actually reaches that level. I don't know the context of the thread the original quote was used in, but that is exactly how I read the quote to mean. |
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Quoted: I hunt with a group of guys who were sending Leupolds to Premiere Reticle for custom reticles and shooting elk at 650 yards after walking up and down through Colorado country when 300 yards was considered "long range hunting." They are as good at estimating range, wind, and drop than anyone I know. I also know they're far from your average hunter. But I don't think they're as uncommon as the black rifle crowd likes to think. this. average hunter is a sniper-hell no. Some hunters-hell yes. I am not one of them yet I can hit up to about 500 yards on a moving target pretty well. I don't shoot out of a box I stalk . So Id say my shot is better than most but I am nowhere near the competence of acurately guaging drop and wind in those long distances on a moving target. Most of the people I know couldn't hit a deer at 300 yards walking unless it stoped moving and they had a door to rest their rifle on though. My grandfather on the other hand would be the exception. That bastard could hit the sweetspot on an animal anywhere within 6-700 yards even if the fucker was running and bouncing and the wind was crazy higher or lower elevation and he will hit the shot within 4-5 seconds in such a high stress scenario as well. I have seen him hit around 20 deer,15 elk , and 6 antelope and half of those shots have been over 500 yards animal running full speed. He lives for those shots and never misses. I can only hope to reach that level of shooting by his age . Maybe age and experience of the hunter would determine the answer to this question. |
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All you need to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg1toGIYBwk |
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Think it's the other way around actually...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWgzY5obX8 |
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Guys you need to think that statement through. I seriously doubt TheOtherDave was saying that the average deer hunter is better than one our trained .mil snipers. "An average deer hunter" is not a compliment. It means you suck at shooting by any marksmen standards, but compared to Iraqis the "average deer hunter" has a vast superiority. Hence the analogy. |
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Guys you need to think that statement through. I seriously doubt TheOtherDave was saying that the average deer hunter is better than one our trained .mil snipers. "An average deer hunter" is not a compliment. It means you suck at shooting by any marksmen standards, but compared to Iraqis the "average deer hunter" has a vast superiority. Hence the analogy. well, somebody got it |