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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:20:27 PM EDT
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Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... No shit, but the other thing, along with this thing, along with the Heidi Cruz thing, just adds to the War on Women narrative. Many people (both sides) have long since lost sight of the fact we are on the same team and what matters is to defeat the Democrat. Idiocracy . . .  What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Mike, step 1 in defeating Hillary is making sure she's not running against Trump. |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:23:07 PM EDT
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I think people forget that in order for an "R" to be elected, Cruz people need Trump people and Trump
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:24:11 PM EDT
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Mike, step 1 in defeating Hillary is making sure she's not running against Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Mike, step 1 in defeating Hillary is making sure she's not running against Trump. I certainly understand that, but absolutely nothing leading to that is occurring in this thread, or any like it. What do you suggest? 
"Your guy's a booger eater!" "Your guy is a LIAR!!" "Your guy is a BIGGER LIAR!!!!" "Is not!" "Is too!" ad infinitum |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:30:04 PM EDT
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What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... No shit, but the other thing, along with this thing, along with the Heidi Cruz thing, just adds to the War on Women narrative. Many people (both sides) have long since lost sight of the fact we are on the same team and what matters is to defeat the Democrat. Idiocracy . . . What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. You're right. Now that Cruz has been defeated, Trump just needs to be defeated. That leaves. Yeb! |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:36:21 PM EDT
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Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... No shit, but the other thing, along with this thing, along with the Heidi Cruz thing, just adds to the War on Women narrative. Many people (both sides) have long since lost sight of the fact we are on the same team and what matters is to defeat the Democrat. Idiocracy . . . What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Exactly. . |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:41:00 PM EDT
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You're right. Now that Cruz has been defeated, Trump just needs to be defeated. That leaves. Yeb! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... No shit, but the other thing, along with this thing, along with the Heidi Cruz thing, just adds to the War on Women narrative. Many people (both sides) have long since lost sight of the fact we are on the same team and what matters is to defeat the Democrat. Idiocracy . . . What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. You're right. Now that Cruz has been defeated, Trump just needs to be defeated. That leaves. Yeb! Reuters Polling: 
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Posted: 3/30/2016 10:57:44 PM EDT
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People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now.  People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. |
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Posted: 3/30/2016 11:13:02 PM EDT
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Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. I've been wondering what your experience is, since you seem to think you know a lot. 22 years, all but the last 4 doing some amount of criminal law. 7 years prosecuting. You? I'm guessing cop. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 12:48:38 AM EDT
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NEW YORK – The Florida prosecutor who brought battery charges against Donald Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, supports Hillary Clinton’s campaign for president.
An article published by the Palm Beach Post on Nov. 17, 2015, has been circulating since Tuesday evening because it lists Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg as a member 150-member Florida Leadership Council, which was established by the Democratic Party to promote Hillary Clinton’s presidential candidacy. The article states that Palm Beach County State Attorney Dave Aronberg and Tax Collector Anne Gannon “are also part of Clinton’s Florida team.” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/lewandowski-prosecutor-outed-as-hillary-supporter/#hzvIT0JJybiFjqr0.99 LINK TL;DR.... 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 12:51:06 AM EDT
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I too was a Cruz supporter. I believed in him 150% Lately he has turned into what I would call a wussy and is embarrassing more then anything. I want a fighter, someone that will possibly turn this country upside down. It's time for a change, water the tree or whatever, we need a course correction one way or the other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A Cruz spokesperson was just on Fox News talking about this video and the assault charges. She lambasted the Trump people for the assault on this poor reporter and stated over and over that this assault is the result of the "culture of violence within the Trump campaign". Then they showed a video of Ted Cruz saying the same thing: "culture of violence within the Trump campaign". God.... Cruz must be desperate to jump on the Trump bashing bandwagon over this bull shit story. This is why I will now never vote for Cruz. His useful idiocy in a cynical pursuit of his own aims is disgusting, a fellow traveler to the worst America has to offer. He is about as principled as a K Street crook at this point. The True Conservative® Jesus....lol. Dude, you were never a Cruz supporter. Stop lying to yourself... <Over the line - Z> I too was a Cruz supporter. I believed in him 150% Lately he has turned into what I would call a wussy and is embarrassing more then anything. I want a fighter, someone that will possibly turn this country upside down. It's time for a change, water the tree or whatever, we need a course correction one way or the other. LOL! You think ANYONE will work with Trump? He's nothing but hot air... |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 12:52:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2016 12:56:43 AM EDT
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. Felony??? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 1:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 1:35:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 2:35:58 AM EDT
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You do? 784.03 (1) Florida penal law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime?
Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 2:43:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime? Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime? Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 2:51:56 AM EDT
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There were secret service agents around trump, they did not go near the reporter. If she was a threat, which of course she was not, they would have stopped her. She was no threat and did nothing to justify some random guy attacking her. He wasn't stopping her from throwing her pen Bomb at trump, he didn't like something she said so he yanked her aside, then lied about it, claiming he never touched her or knew her. He's not a security guard, there were security experts there. He's just a punk who got caught roughing up a girl and he and trump got caught lying about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime?
Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor. You spewed out a commendable load of, "ahem," monologue but you didn't solve the riddle, councilor. Care to try again?
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:03:04 AM EDT
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-campaign-manager-assault-221353#ixzz44O04Kn7s Despite Donald Trump’s insistence that it’s a flimsy case, the battery charge against his campaign manager is straightforward for Florida prosecutors, according to independent attorneys and a reading of state statute.
The strength of the allegations against Corey Lewandowski revolve around multiple factors that most simple battery cases don’t have: video, audio and eye-witness evidence that indicates he grabbed reporter Michelle Fields by the arm and yanked her out of Trump’s way without her permission. The wording of Florida statute, 784.03 (1) (a) (1), cited by the Jupiter police officer who charged Lewandowski on Tuesday, is also broad and clear when it comes to the charge: “The offense of battery occurs when a person… Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other.” For veteran defense attorney Elizabeth L. Parker, the letter of the law and the wealth of evidence against Lewandowski make this a tough case for him to defend if prosecutors decide to pursue it. “You have the most corroborating evidence I’ve seen in a battery case in a long time,” said Parker, who supervised battery cases from 2003-2011 as a prosecutor in Palm Beach County, where the incident occurred. “It’s not often you get a crime caught on tape. Most battery cases are he-said, she-said. And the police come and the police make a determination. And prosecutors look to see if there’s any corroborating evidence. Are there any injuries? Any independent witnesses? – things like that,” Parker said. “And here we have all of that…. Again, it’s very rare, and it’s a very prosecutable case.” Please note Parker's use of the word "crime." Again, if Lewandowski and Trump had not conspired to trash this woman, it would've gone away. Their responses are telling, and reveal dysfunctional, narcissistic tendencies that I believe are profoundly dangerous. By holding that opinion, does that mean I am a hack hater? Or do their responses cause at least a few supporters to wonder?
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:07:23 AM EDT
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I've got more questions than answers about the whole thing. I don't have much doubt that there was some contact after seeing the latest video. But that contact I'm seeing doesn't reconcile with the bruising she claims resulting from the incident. I've spent countless hours fighting a martial arts style that has lots of gripping of an opponent's wrist. I've never seen bruising like that even after a pretty violent throw. Men, women, teens, I've never seen that kind of bruising except for one fellow who was on blood thinners and had no business on the mat. Her claimed injuries just don't make sense in the context of of the video. I'm curious as to when the police were first able to document actually seeing the bruises. Time matters on an injury like that. And if the timeline is messed up it makes it difficult to present it as crucial evidence. Not that it matters all that much if all she's claiming now is simple contact as represented on the video. I'm also wondering about how many cases they've brought in Jupiter under similar circumstances. Is there a strict zero-tolerance no touching in Jupiter policy or is it more of a nuanced decision to prosecute? Personally, I mark this all up to folks trying to play hard ball politics. I think Team Trump has sort of dropped the ball on the beginning of the situation. I also think that if it were any other campaign the victim would not have ever been taken seriously. It's a tempest in a journalistic teapot. THE WHOLE THING WAS NOT A BIG DEAL UNTIL THE GUY LIED, THEN CONSPIRED WITH TRUMP AND BREITBART TO TRASH THE GIRL. You are correct, the contact itself is no big deal. The big deal was Trump's people lied, and made a concerted effort to slander the reporter. It would've gone away, just like Watergate and even Lewinsky, if no one had lied. She would not have pressed charges or pursued this if Trump and his manager had been gentlemen. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:11:01 AM EDT
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I saw the video..........the reporter is a sissy douche bag. And who is that whiney ex Briebart millennial supporting her!!?? 
What a couple of whiney, sissy douche bags. Lets not forget why this is a big deal now. The Trump cheerleaders on social media (and this site) rushed to call her a liar and say it never happened and proceeded to smear her. Breitbart was dumping on the reporter, trashing her. The other guy, Shapiro, resigned, saying he couldn't take all the Trump cheerleading at a supposedly journalistic organization And Yes, this is a big deal because Team Trump went into action, in cahoots with Breitbart, to destroy the reporter. It is not a big deal because of how hard he grabbed her arm. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You spewed out a commendable load of, "ahem," monologue but you didn't solve the riddle, councilor. Care to try again? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime? Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor. You spewed out a commendable load of, "ahem," monologue but you didn't solve the riddle, councilor. Care to try again? |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:16:37 AM EDT
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Cruzbots know Creepy Ted is circling the drain and are clawing at any possible way to drag the Donald down with him. Make sure you guys tweet "M'lady" to Amanda Carpenter's twitter before oiling your neckbeards tonight.  See, this is why Hillary still has a chance. Cruz has nothing to do with any of this. There is some sort of weird paranoia surrounding Trump and his supporters I will vote for Trump if he is nominated. I prefer Cruz. This entire conversation is stupid, but it is happening because Trump's manager mishandled this situation. He chose to attack and discredit the reporter instead of simply addressing the problem. Now we've lost 3 days chasing our tail. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:24:41 AM EDT
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She pressed for charges in order to protect herself from the Trump destruction machine.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:48:34 AM EDT
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Breitbart was dumping on the reporter, trashing her. The other guy, Shapiro, resigned, saying he couldn't take all the Trump cheerleading at a supposedly journalistic organization And Yes, this is a big deal because Team Trump went into action, in cahoots with Breitbart, to destroy the reporter. It is not a big deal because of how hard he grabbed her arm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a couple of whiney, sissy douche bags. Lets not forget why this is a big deal now. The Trump cheerleaders on social media (and this site) rushed to call her a liar and say it never happened and proceeded to smear her. Breitbart was dumping on the reporter, trashing her. The other guy, Shapiro, resigned, saying he couldn't take all the Trump cheerleading at a supposedly journalistic organization And Yes, this is a big deal because Team Trump went into action, in cahoots with Breitbart, to destroy the reporter. It is not a big deal because of how hard he grabbed her arm.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 3:49:14 AM EDT
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She pressed for charges in order to protect herself from the Trump destruction machine. Trump shouldn't have activated the Destroy switch for something that could have been dismissed.
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Posted: 3/31/2016 7:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been wondering what your experience is, since you seem to think you know a lot. 22 years, all but the last 4 doing some amount of criminal law. 7 years prosecuting. You? I'm guessing cop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. I've been wondering what your experience is, since you seem to think you know a lot. 22 years, all but the last 4 doing some amount of criminal law. 7 years prosecuting. You? I'm guessing cop. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 7:51:42 AM EDT
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Excellent. So the next time President 0 is in FL and is done answering questions from reporters I can walk briskly through the entourage exiting the venue, penetrate the Secret Service "bubble" designed to protect him and sidle up next to him and ask why he's fucked the country for 8 years? And if anyone, from a SS agent to a lowly campaign intern that realizes something is "off" and "restrains," "pulls," "grabs," or otherwise impedes my "right" to do so, can be charged with a crime?
Are you really running with THAT? The question/answer portion of the event was over. Fuck her and her assumed "special-snowflake" assumption. It turned out to be wrong on her part. SUPRISE! If the candidate wants to approach someone to talk, shake hands or sign an autograph that's THEIR prerogative, YOU don't get to insert yourself inside that protective circle or you might just get jacked around. Boo, fucking hoo. If you were a prosecutor, would you prosecute this case, like a domestic or an incident at the mall? Riddle me that, councilor. Can you direct me to "the press conference was over" portion of the statute? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 7:54:39 AM EDT
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The only people who think this guy should be prosecuted are the Trump haters.
There is no fucking way what this guy did amounts to misdemeanor physical assault. She got too close to Trump, he moved her away and that is it. If I am on the jury, I acquit in about one half second and award the guy attorney fees. And suggest the woman stop invading people's space and IMMEDIATELY attend the "Toughen up Buttercup" class offered in her area. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 7:58:15 AM EDT
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If the guy had apologized, or gave some bs excuse about her getting too close to trump this would be a non starter, lying when there are tons of cameras around and calling the victim names is like setting yourself on fire Remember when Fournier said the bar for charges against Hillart was higher because of political implications? Now it's lower because of Same?
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Posted: 3/31/2016 8:35:06 AM EDT
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Here's an interesting tidbit. Sounds like someone isn't in such a big hurry over this.
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=12917 |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 8:41:51 AM EDT
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can anyone confirm these accusations? I keep seeing this floating around FB
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Posted: 3/31/2016 8:46:53 AM EDT
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. I've been wondering what your experience is, since you seem to think you know a lot. 22 years, all but the last 4 doing some amount of criminal law. 7 years prosecuting. You? I'm guessing cop. Yes. If you've had that much experience then know that there is NO WAY this charge will ever see the inside of a court room....and if it does will never come anywhere close to being a conviction. BTW, this occurred in the 15th JC of Florida....a place where the previous SAO said there is no "Batt-LEO" because "being hit is part of your job". EDIT: I'm baffled how someone with so much "experience" could hold the position you do (ie, that this is a prosecutable battery). Then again, I'm reminded of something that was once told to me a long time ago....."There are 20 year veterans.....and there are people with 1 year of experience, 20 times in a row" |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 8:48:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:04:18 AM EDT
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can anyone confirm these accusations? I keep seeing this floating around FB http://i.imgur.com/Xd6nJPtl.png Fields claims she was assaulted by NYPD http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/daily-caller-reporter-videographer-assaulted-by-nypd-during-occupy-protests/ Fields claims she was sexually assaulted by Allen West http://gotnews.com/breaking-exclusive-allen-west-has-sexually-harassed-at-least-two-women/ |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:11:55 AM EDT
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can anyone confirm these accusations? I keep seeing this floating around FB http://i.imgur.com/Xd6nJPtl.png Fields claims she was assaulted by NYPD http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/daily-caller-reporter-videographer-assaulted-by-nypd-during-occupy-protests/ Fields claims she was sexually assaulted by Allen West http://gotnews.com/breaking-exclusive-allen-west-has-sexually-harassed-at-least-two-women/ Beaten by cops with batons and no injuries-------------------BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:14:58 AM EDT
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There were secret service agents around trump, they did not go near the reporter. If she was a threat, which of course she was not, they would have stopped her. She was no threat and did nothing to justify some random guy attacking her. He wasn't stopping her from throwing her pen Bomb at trump, he didn't like something she said so he yanked her aside, then lied about it, claiming he never touched her or knew her. He's not a security guard, there were security experts there. He's just a punk who got caught roughing up a girl and he and trump got caught lying about it. I disagree; there is one frame showing two SS agents (presumably) flanking the reporter, both reaching their hands out to grab her arms around the exact time the campaign manager appears to be passing through. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:19:40 AM EDT
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Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well the good news for the Trumpies is that this story is probably out of the headlines now. The bad news.... No shit, but the other thing, along with this thing, along with the Heidi Cruz thing, just adds to the War on Women narrative. Many people (both sides) have long since lost sight of the fact we are on the same team and what matters is to defeat the Democrat. Idiocracy . . . What do you think I'm trying to do? Trump has to be defeated. Hillary Clinton has to be defeated, as she is a known entity. Trump can't be worse. I'm hoping for Cruz, but that isn't looking good. None of it is. The candidates themselves need to lead on this and STOP handing ammunition to the Dems for use later. They are acting like grade schoolers on a playground. "But he did it first!" Idiots. Trump cannot beat Hillary so if Trump is the nominee you need to practice 'President Hillay Clinton.' |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:19:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Reuters Polling: http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/re.jpg Any guesses on who the green line is? Quote HistoryQuoted: Reuters Polling: http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/re.jpg Any guesses on who the green line is? Hillary?  |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:20:23 AM EDT
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Yes. If you've had that much experience then know that there is NO WAY this charge will ever see the inside of a court room....and if it does will never come anywhere close to being a conviction. BTW, this occurred in the 15th JC of Florida....a place where the previous SAO said there is no "Batt-LEO" because "being hit is part of your job". EDIT: I'm baffled how someone with so much "experience" could hold the position you do (ie, that this is a prosecutable battery). Then again, I'm reminded of something that was once told to me a long time ago....."There are 20 year veterans.....and there are people with 1 year of experience, 20 times in a row" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there ANYONE who watched that video and HONESTLY believes that is a misdemeanor physical attack? I mean come on now. People don't understand how the law views physical contact. ANY unwanted touching, no matter how minimal, could be a battery. Doesn't mean it should be charged in every case, but under the law what's shown in that video is a battery. Seriously, are you a lawyer or have any experience in the criminal courts? Serious question. Because I do understand "how the law views" physical contact. Serious question. I've been wondering what your experience is, since you seem to think you know a lot. 22 years, all but the last 4 doing some amount of criminal law. 7 years prosecuting. You? I'm guessing cop. Yes. If you've had that much experience then know that there is NO WAY this charge will ever see the inside of a court room....and if it does will never come anywhere close to being a conviction. BTW, this occurred in the 15th JC of Florida....a place where the previous SAO said there is no "Batt-LEO" because "being hit is part of your job". EDIT: I'm baffled how someone with so much "experience" could hold the position you do (ie, that this is a prosecutable battery). Then again, I'm reminded of something that was once told to me a long time ago....."There are 20 year veterans.....and there are people with 1 year of experience, 20 times in a row" LOL. Ok, officer. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:25:17 AM EDT
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THE WHOLE THING WAS NOT A BIG DEAL UNTIL THE GUY LIED, THEN CONSPIRED WITH TRUMP AND BREITBART TO TRASH THE GIRL. You are correct, the contact itself is no big deal. The big deal was Trump's people lied, and made a concerted effort to slander the reporter. It would've gone away, just like Watergate and even Lewinsky, if no one had lied. She would not have pressed charges or pursued this if Trump and his manager had been gentlemen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got more questions than answers about the whole thing. I don't have much doubt that there was some contact after seeing the latest video. But that contact I'm seeing doesn't reconcile with the bruising she claims resulting from the incident. I've spent countless hours fighting a martial arts style that has lots of gripping of an opponent's wrist. I've never seen bruising like that even after a pretty violent throw. Men, women, teens, I've never seen that kind of bruising except for one fellow who was on blood thinners and had no business on the mat. Her claimed injuries just don't make sense in the context of of the video. I'm curious as to when the police were first able to document actually seeing the bruises. Time matters on an injury like that. And if the timeline is messed up it makes it difficult to present it as crucial evidence. Not that it matters all that much if all she's claiming now is simple contact as represented on the video. I'm also wondering about how many cases they've brought in Jupiter under similar circumstances. Is there a strict zero-tolerance no touching in Jupiter policy or is it more of a nuanced decision to prosecute? Personally, I mark this all up to folks trying to play hard ball politics. I think Team Trump has sort of dropped the ball on the beginning of the situation. I also think that if it were any other campaign the victim would not have ever been taken seriously. It's a tempest in a journalistic teapot. THE WHOLE THING WAS NOT A BIG DEAL UNTIL THE GUY LIED, THEN CONSPIRED WITH TRUMP AND BREITBART TO TRASH THE GIRL. You are correct, the contact itself is no big deal. The big deal was Trump's people lied, and made a concerted effort to slander the reporter. It would've gone away, just like Watergate and even Lewinsky, if no one had lied. She would not have pressed charges or pursued this if Trump and his manager had been gentlemen. *ding* *ding* *ding* We have a winner. This whole thing is a self-inflicted wound from Team Trump. The problem is this is not the first time nor likely the last time this sort of thing will happen and Team Hillary is just licking their chops. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:28:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:30:57 AM EDT
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Reuters Polling: http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/re.jpg Any guesses on who the green line is?
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:45:42 AM EDT
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........... LOL. Ok, officer. Not an attorney or LEO here but you honestly believe, after watching that video, that there is a chance this guy gets prosecuted and convicted of misdemeanor physical assault for that? If so..........I would sincerely suggest you DO NOT put me on the jury. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:50:52 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2016 9:54:08 AM EDT
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I disagree; there is one frame showing two SS agents (presumably) flanking the reporter, both reaching their hands out to grab her arms around the exact time the campaign manager appears to be passing through. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There were secret service agents around trump, they did not go near the reporter. If she was a threat, which of course she was not, they would have stopped her. She was no threat and did nothing to justify some random guy attacking her. He wasn't stopping her from throwing her pen Bomb at trump, he didn't like something she said so he yanked her aside, then lied about it, claiming he never touched her or knew her. He's not a security guard, there were security experts there. He's just a punk who got caught roughing up a girl and he and trump got caught lying about it. I disagree; there is one frame showing two SS agents (presumably) flanking the reporter, both reaching their hands out to grab her arms around the exact time the campaign manager appears to be passing through. 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:25:12 AM EDT
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Notice not a wince of pain in her facial expression
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/ Field's account of what happened posted on Breitbart On Tuesday night, I went to cover Donald Trump’s press conference at the Trump National Golf Club in Jupiter, Florida. I was looking to cover the event like I have covered many live political events for Breitbart News, including an uneventful Trump press conference in Palm Beach the week before. Addressing the gathered reporters and the nation at large, Trump was in an especially jovial mood Tuesday night. The networks just declared he had won the Mississippi Republican primary and, during his speech, that he won Michigan Republican primary as well. I wasn’t called upon to ask a question during the televised press conference, but afterwards Trump wandered around, stopping at every reporter to take their questions. When he approached me, I asked him about his view on an aspect of affirmative action. Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken. The Washington Post’s Ben Terris immediately remarked that it was Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who aggressively tried to pull me to the ground. I quickly turned around and saw Lewandowski and Trump exiting the building together. No apology. No explanation for why he did this. Even if Trump was done taking questions, Lewandowski would be out of line. Campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground, no matter the circumstance. But what made this especially jarring is that there was no hint Trump was done taking questions. No one was pushing him to get away. He seemed to have been happily answering queries from my fellow reporters just a moment before. Many people have been asking me on Twitter and in emails what exactly happened Tuesday night. I hope this article answers those questions and I can get back to reporting the news, not being a part of it. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:26:57 AM EDT
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Notice not a winch of pain in her facial expression http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/7V5Yhmy-Imgur.gif?resize=718%2C404 Might I suggest you pretend you are a Hall of Fame Buttercup.................then watch the video again from that perspective? 
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:29:56 AM EDT
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Notice not a winch of pain in her facial expression http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/7V5Yhmy-Imgur.gif?resize=718%2C404 lol |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:30:36 AM EDT
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Notice not a winch of pain in her facial expression http://i2.wp.com/www.dangerandplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/7V5Yhmy-Imgur.gif?resize=718%2C404 She definately has a WTF look tho, and I this video ironically proves that he jerked her. He grabbed her forcefully enough that he stopped her forward momentum (as she was walking with the Donald) and pulled her backwards. That's not the standard clearing a path, that is enough force to completely reverse the forward momentum of a 100ish pound body propelling itself forward to rearward motion. |
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Posted: 3/31/2016 10:31:45 AM EDT
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