Dr Phil may be the best spokesperson we’ve had yet regarding this matter. Somebody chooses which UAP files reach you. Nobody says who. |
I don’t know what to make of this if it’s true. I do know Jake was in contact with the government in his program and was being funded by us.
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| I posted the movie that’s on Peacock titled AI Doc: or why I became an Acropoctomist in the Amazon Prime movie thread. What is in many ways terrifying about this is that every one of the people such as Sam Altman and the two others interviewed said flat out, they don’t know how AI is doing what it does. They have from all appearances to me, tapped into the universe and basically created another almost god like being that only gets exponentially more powerful by the day. And they all agree it could be the end of humanity almost overnight. or we are creating the best lives humans have ever had on this planet with unlimited resources. Zuckerberg refused to be interviewed and Elon agreed but got too busy to sit down for his interview. I personally know so little about AI myself but when the things you create become infinitely more powerful than the creators, how do you ever begin to control it? And instead of one or two AI systems you now have different AI systems being developed by nearly every county and individuals around the world to contend with. |
This could also go in the Drop thread but I’ll leave here. Angry does a fantastic job with this one. I’d really love to think what the notmied in General make of these drops getting real coverage by MSM now. FBI unveils ENORMOUS UFO and new UAP Hotspot in the American Southwest! |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I posted the movie that’s on Peacock titled AI Doc: or why I became an Acropoctomist in the Amazon Prime movie thread. What is in many ways terrifying about this is that every one of the people such as Sam Altman and the two others interviewed said flat out, they don’t know how AI is doing what it does. They have from all appearances to me, tapped into the universe and basically created another almost god like being that only gets exponentially more powerful by the day. And they all agree it could be the end of humanity almost overnight. or we are creating the best lives humans have ever had on this planet with unlimited resources. Zuckerberg refused to be interviewed and Elon agreed but got too busy to sit down for his interview. I personally know so little about AI myself but when the things you create become infinitely more powerful than the creators, how do you ever begin to control it? And instead of one or two AI systems you now have different AI systems being developed by nearly every county and individuals around the world to contend with. $6 Rent or $15 to own. Free if you have Peacock. I'll just wait until it comes back around free on youtube or Prime and rip it. It doesn't have the taglines that make me want to spend money. Kind of funny since I'd watch it if it were $2.99 or less but trying to squeeze an extra $5 out means they're getting way fewer purchases. $5 is the line a lot of people will stop buying a movie at, $4.99 is ok, $5.99 not, especially when it's making the rounds for free on the other dozen streaming services. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Everyone needs to watch this Chris Bledsoe Reveals Where The Awakened Will Go During The Ascension |
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This image disturbs me a lot. The depiction, the implication, goes back to what Philip J Corso said, that the Roswell beings had night-vision goggle like lenses. Not big bug eyes. Attached File |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: This image disturbs me a lot. The depiction, the implication, goes back to what Philip J Corso said, that the Roswell beings had night-vision goggle like lenses. Not big bug eyes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_3955_jpeg-3809385.JPG We are built in their image so it should not bother you too much. They just have technology that is far advanced from ours. Likely how we developed our own thermal and infrared vision technology was by reverse engineering or finding a way to develop our own after seeing these on dead or even living aliens. |
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We will know soon enough if Bledsoe is correct if suddenly our physics is up ended and found to be completely wrong all these years. I predict sometime in October we will find out. Not putting any money on it, but just a gut feeling now. ETA and Bledsoe has 20k plus high resolution images of these things? |
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Well Ross was correct. Jake’s Skywatcher team is luring in these craft and capturing them. Will POTUS bring some of these out when he announces we are not alone? Or is this bullshit? Jake never bothered to show the results he had promised months ago. Why??
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🚨 JAKE BARBER’S RED TEAM PAST EXPLAINS SKYWATCHER’S BLACK BUDGET ABSORPTION 🔴 People act shocked that Skywatcher has vanished into another classified government UAP program in 2026. Yet Jake Barber admitted years earlier he was a red team aggressor who infiltrated Steven Greer’s 2023 whistleblower events and DC Press Club gatherings. His job: pose inside the civilian network, vet potential sources, and protect high value NHI tech data from leaks while still operating in official capacity. Barber later launched Skywatcher with psionic summoning and dog whistle tech, claiming independent disclosure. Now the same group is reportedly folded into DoD, CIA and intelligence ops using identical methods. The “surprise” only works if you ignored the red team admission from the start. UAP history keeps showing the same pattern. |
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This has been my belief all along. We can only understand so much. And I don’t think there is any limit to what exists. If we can think it, it exists! And that barely scratches the surface.
Daniel Whiteson: "Aliens could explain the mysteries of the universe & quantum mechanics but it may be beyond the limitations of our brain" 👽😱 "Our brains evolved to survive, not to understand an eleven dimensional universe" “We may never truly grok quantum mechanics because of fundamental limits in the way our brains work.” Our minds evolved to survive on the African savanna, not to grasp an eleven dimensional universe. Thinking about crazy integrals over those spaces was never essential for survival 2,000 years ago. Yet here we are doing the mathematics. That does not mean we have unlimited capacity. Whiteson points out the obvious parallel. He loves his dog. It is smart and can learn. He will never explain general relativity to it. Why assume there are no ideas beyond what humans can think? Aliens might arrive with bigger brains, explain the universe, and the smartest among us would just stare blankly. We demand that physics feel intuitive. Gravitational waves get described as the universe “chirping.” James Webb images get color shifted into the visible spectrum so our eyes can process them. Quantum mechanics gets forced into the language of “Kind of like a particle” and “Kind of like a wave,” even though those ideas conflict. It is not both. It is neither. It is something new that does not exist in our primitive mental library. We can use the math. We can build technology on it. We can talk about it endlessly. But we may never really understand it, the way we understand a rock or a ripple in a pond, because our brains simply lack the native hardware. |
| YouTube has become unwatchable for the most part ! If you watch one single video on TV now your feed becomes full of whatever that subject, no matter how irrelevant to your interest in that subject is, that it takes over and there is no way on the TV itself to tell YouTube you aren’t interested or to not recommend a channel again. Maybe thumbs down but I’m not sure if that alone works. For instance a few days ago I watched an actual cool video showing boats going in and out of Hallover Inlet in Miami. Lots of very nice million $$$ boats plus loaded with hot bodies wearing nothing but almost non existent sting bikinis. Few land whales to be seen. You watch one or two and every other video is about that inlet, or boat ramp kaos or something boat related. Something showed up about cannabis and seniors a couple of nights ago and I said to my wife, let’s watch about 30 seconds of this and watch what the feed does and you guessed it. Scroll just 2-3 videos over and more cannabis videos. I think other than just a few good news feeds like RJTalks, News Nation, Fox , etc I’m going to delete all my subs and only watch from my subscription list from now on. If I need to learn something particular I’ll search for said subject because it can be invaluable when it comes to making repairs on stuff you might otherwise not know how to do but otherwise it’s out of control and probably only going to get worse. |
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Tried recording 3 UFOs this morning. One traveling basically north to south? The other two were traveling in pretty close formation with one lagging slightly behind the other in opposite direction from south to north yet parallel and just very slightly to the east of the first one. As soon as I hit record on my phone the two traveling together just vanished! I barely captured the first so it’s not really worth sharing the video but this stuff just happens all the freaking time now! And I only have two very small windows to the sky due to my trees in the summer months. I can only imagine how much I don’t see plus I can barely, just barely see even the brightest stars here. I miss being able to see the universe like I could living as a child in a small town of only about 700 people where I was born. Attached File |
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Something I noticed yesterday listening to one of the so called channelers. Seems some are pushing freedom and success and wealth, others are preaching what basically sounds to me like communism! I remember hearing once that the Nordics came here to the USA because we were one of if not the only free nations in the universe and they were living under a brutal communist regime on their home planet and yet here we are with communism getting a foothold in this country. Are we fighting a battle against the universe or something? I mean WTF? A city that witnessed the greatest attack ever committed by Muslims 25 years ago is now turning into a Muslim hellhole?  One practice is preaching unlimited wealth and helping others, the other is talking about building a new world with communal gardens and everyone sharing equally without hoarding . |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Well Ross was correct. Jake’s Skywatcher team is luring in these craft and capturing them. Will POTUS bring some of these out when he announces we are not alone? Or is this bullshit? Jake never bothered to show the results he had promised months ago. Why??
Wow. That's an interesting statement from one of the few people I find to be consistently believable. Let's see the video! Extraordinary claims and all that. |
It's as if a big chunk of our adult population has lost the ability to tell the difference between what is possible, and what is probable.
Oh boy!!! Man between all the arrests starting to be made from all the corruption and the breaking UFO news things are about to get wild!!
Video David Grusch BOMBSHELL on Dr Phil: "I have seen 'Video's & Photos' of recovered UFO craft with the Pilots. Both Audio & Visual" 🛸👽 “I had folks from the retrieval program exfiltrate audiovisual evidence for me to see. Both video and photos. Of the retrieved craft. And some of the dead cadavers that were recovered. Call it the pilots.” He confirmed under questioning that he has seen the cadavers. He interviewed people with direct involvement all the way up to cabinet and White House level. Those individuals had close personal participation in the retrieval programs. Grusch brought many of those witnesses to the Intelligence Community Inspector General. The complaint was deemed credible and urgent. He later gave 11 and a half hours of classified testimony to the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. This is the hard evidence claim he has stood by publicly. |
Also of extreme interest  A Source Says The Craft We Are Seeing Now Broke An Old Agreement |
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Go go Elon! Talking human consciousness, alien civilizations, etc.  SpaceX Is Going Beyond Starship — Musk Reveals What’s Next In New Company Update |
Little long, but the entire Groush interview  David Grusch: The Whistleblower Who Told Congress We're Not Alone |
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I’m I misunderstanding or is Grucsh saying, to Dr. Phil, that the NHI are native to Earth and from the Ocean floor? If so, it may be one of the more plausible explanations. If they are thousands/millions of years ahead of us, and have no interest in the surface, that would make sense. Leave the surface to the apes. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/TYPzlxlin6 |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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We somehow have to stop this from happening. It’s just like when they destroyed the gnostic text and probably the same with the current hidden ufo documents that are surely being destroyed before they can be obtained. At least when it comes to the really rare books. For the future of humanity and our survival. If they want to feed the info to the machine then fine, but don’t destroy the hard copy. This is the true definition of insanity. And has every one seen what Elon is building now in Texas? His visions are incredible but I think we need to slow the fuck down because they have no real idea of what they are creating or how to control it. And can earths atmosphere withstand all the rocket launches required to do what Elon has planned before we start launching his AI stuff from the moon? I haven’t heard an answer to that question. And are our little friends on the moon going to allow this???? Link to Elon reveal added as well. The very fact that Google is already becoming pretty useless and only showing a couple of results instead of giving many different links says a lot about our future ability to obtain knowledge.  Anthropic Destroyed 2 Million Books. I'm an Author. Here's My Take. SpaceX Is Going Beyond Starship — Musk Reveals What’s Next In New Company Update |
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Originally Posted By sq40: I’m I misunderstanding or is Grucsh saying, to Dr. Phil, that the NHI are native to Earth and from the Ocean floor? If so, it may be one of the more plausible explanations. If they are thousands/millions of years ahead of us, and have no interest in the surface, that would make sense. Leave the surface to the apes. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/TYPzlxlin6 You know, I once had a classmate in high school that was a Jehovahs Witness or something like that that said in their religion that dinosaur bones, the pyramids, etc didn’t actually exist and were planted by the devil to throw us off the truth of who we are. I thought he was crazy but now knowing what I know about our consciousness I start to wonder if this is possibly true. For all we really know, no one may have actually existed long before we were born. And for all we really know, none of us may actually even be here. That hasn’t been proven one way or the other from what I’ve seen so far. They tend to lean towards the fact our bodies exist but can’t say for certain one way or the other. ETA I do think we are here myself but it’s just the fact we could not be that is somewhat confusing. Anything is possible. It could all just be some incredibly complex cosmic dream. Or nightmares depending on your situation. |
I am about to awaken my daughter this morning while there is still time. She is with my wife this morning who is having knee surgery and we both agreed it’s time to tell her the truth about “I am” that the church has kept hidden from most everyone for millennia. I sure wish I had known so many decades ago.
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Video Incredibly long text and way beyond my understanding . Nerds get in here! |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Well Ross was correct. Jake’s Skywatcher team is luring in these craft and capturing them. Will POTUS bring some of these out when he announces we are not alone? Or is this bullshit? Jake never bothered to show the results he had promised months ago. Why??
My best guess is that we are not seeing a lot of the promised material because once they announced intent to release, the agencies iwtht heir nuts in the fire look through everything the people wanting to expose have ever signed, and located a hook on them, maybe not even related to UFOs but found where their signature meant they committed a felony (remember, we don't even know how many laws there are and there are many that conflict so damned if you do and damned if you don't) If they would just release it without talking about intent to get attention, we'd probably be much further along. When they get specific about what they're going to release, that narrows it down for the people that like help others have accidents or fall from windows that don't open or shoo themselves in the head a half dozen times. When those people come and leave a note that says not to talk, without setting off their home alarm, that's where thins get in the "maybe not good idea" area because they're aware the other side has nothing to lose. So, if they just dump it instead of talking about details to dump we'd have more. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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I've been watching the Dr. Phil/Grusch interview and Grusch is pretty specific on some things he's been vague about, before: 1) We have recovered several dozen craft but less than 100. 2) The craft are a wide range of shapes and sizes. In this section, it wasn't clear if he was referring specifically to covered craft or what has been seen and discussed publicly. 3) Some recovered craft were empty and some had "pilots". 4) Multiple types of NIH have been recovered from these craft. 5) The craft range from slightly more advanced than us to a form/function we can't even comprehend. 6) He acknowledged that some of the beings he has seen are the classical Grays. He mentions the Ariel school beings as being an accurate description of the beings he saw. 7) Some pilots were dead and some were taken alive and "contained". |
French Press coffee is best coffee.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Also of extreme interest  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07N4eoCosJQOk. You’ve completely fucked me up now. I watched that video of Dan Aykroyd’s UFO encounter. I wonder if it’s the same year and date I was there. Listen… my “sleep paralysis” encounter with an evil, 4ft tall shadow over my hotel bed was in Montreal. The Hilton Garden Inn, on Sherbrooke in Montreal. A downtown high rise hotel. Attached File Dan saw that large “parade baloon” sized UFO hover below his hotel window on St Catherine. He said it hovered there and started moving towards the river, where he ran to the other side of the hotel to watch it. The Hotels are very close: Attached File The part about the ufo was at 1hr 15:30;  Dan Aykroyd on The Blues Brothers, Asperger’s, and UFO’s | Carolla Classic He started promoting Patrone in 2005, mine was in 2008/9. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: Ok. You’ve completely fucked me up now. I watched that video of Dan Aykroyd’s UFO encounter. I wonder if it’s the same year and date I was there. Listen… my “sleep paralysis” encounter with an evil, 4ft tall shadow over my hotel bed was in Montreal. The Hilton Garden Inn, on Sherbrooke in Montreal. A downtown high rise hotel. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_4104_jpeg-3811716.JPG Dan saw that large “parade baloon” sized UFO hover below his hotel window on St Catherine. He said it hovered there and started moving towards the river, where he ran to the other side of the hotel to watch it. The Hotels are very close: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_4107_png-3811725.JPG The part about the ufo was at 1hr 15:30; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP71n4v4dZ0He started promoting Patrone in 2005, mine was in 2008/9. Yeah I saw the Dan interview and he has been wide awake for a very long time. Bill Murray has as well. Ghost Buster’s was not as fictional as we believed when it came out. I listen to so many Hard Rock artists now that of course many like Metallica and others and suddenly realize they knew more than we knew as well. The new movies that come out daily almost, and not about UFOs but more about paranormal stuff are mind blowingly accurate from what little I know about this subject and without doubt these actors are awakened. Marshmallow man was the gray ufo he saw. |
This sounds a lot like what a few of us here may have seen. When the Craft Leaves, Something Else Stays Behind: UFO Jack’s Story
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Groush isn’t the only one making claims
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I will post this short clip from the Bigelow interview since it’s the most important thing from the entire 2 part series!
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This was from a good interview I saw a few days ago on YouTube with Eisenhower’s great granddaughter
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 NO WAY! These Giant UFOs can't be real! Right?? |
Video WHISTLEBLOWER BEGS TRUMP FOR IMMUNITY TO EXPOSE NHI SECRETS 🛸 Matthew Brown, former U.S. national security contractor (2018–2025), went public in 2025 revealing “Immaculate Constellation.” This unacknowledged special access program allegedly vacuums up thousands of classified military videos and images of UAP from sensors worldwide, discs, triangles, objects that react when observed. Brown authored the report that reached Congress. He briefed AARO and ODNI. He says the full picture on technologies of unknown origin and non-human intelligence stays locked behind NDAs and threats. He is directly asking President Trump to lift those restrictions and protect his family so the American people can finally hear what he knows. He ends with four words: “We are not alone.” If the veil lifts, what else surfaces from those servers? x.com/jamescfox/stat… |
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If anyone understands this please splain. It’s way far over this ole southern rednecks ability to compute. But is it what was predicted to happen with our broken physics model is the big question?
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This world is fixing to become a much better place. I’ve really been wondering just how exactly they were planning on powering all these AI centers that devour as much energy as the entire country produces in a year alone for nearly each center and it’s not by those little containerized nuke plants.
THE ENERGY THEY’VE BEEN HIDING JUST GOT A PUBLIC FACE ⚡ DOE dropped “FUSION: ENERGY WITHOUT LIMITS” today. Stars fuse nuclei under insane heat and pressure. We can now recreate that reaction on Earth. That glowing plasma torus in their own graphics looks a lot like the energy signatures reported around certain craft for decades. Unlimited clean energy. No fossil fuels. No grid constraints. Exactly the kind of power source that would let something ignore gravity, atmosphere, and distance the way so many UAP do. They’re rolling it out under the “energy without limits” banner. The question isn’t whether fusion works. It’s who figured it out first… and how long they’ve known. Attached File Attached File |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/eIIIMa2pdr 2018 Veracruz Acorn from two different whitenesses. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/eIIIMa2pdr 2018 Veracruz Acorn from two different whitenesses. There are so many videos that are authentic out there that this is all undeniable. Yeah there are a lot of fakes but there are a lot by people just like me that have zero fucking idea about using CGI or AI it’s impossible to deny. Look how many come from 3rd worlders that probably don’t even know how to read or write! |
This is another article about cracking the source code which is too long to post in entirety . This shit is very exciting if it’s true which I don’t know but hope it is since it was predicted to happen! This may become a very different place to live soon. I am truly and now have very good personal reasons to believe that everything that happens on earth may be pre-ordained and for reasons we don’t understand. And aren’t for us as humans to understand. But maybe a time will come when we do!
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New Fox coverage . I had no idea they had a telescope on top of the Vegas Sphere! Wow what a location! Imagine if they could spot something clearly anomalous and have the sphere show it live.   'ARE WE ALONE?': Astrophysicist breaks down UAP videos |
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Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/eIIIMa2pdr 2018 Veracruz Acorn from two different whitenesses.  Acorn Shaped UAP Filmed From Two Viewpoints, Reportedly Over Catemaco, Veracruz, Mexico That's the original poster, it looks like they deleted the original and reposted it to try and make it seem new. The second clip is poorly done cgi, and the channel includes a "for entertainment purposes only" disclaimer. |
Seriously WTF??? I haven’t seen the source from when/where this came out but this has been a reliable news source so far. And I myself am very much in Groush’s corner as telling the truth.
GRUSCH JUST DROPPED THE CHENEY ALIEN JAIL AND TELEPATHIC PILOT CLAIM 🚨 Grusch has been consistent for years that the U.S. has recovered craft and non human biologics. He’s testified under oath. He’s named names in private settings. The institutional response has mostly been “no comment / nothing to see / we’re releasing more blurry videos.” So when he escalates to “Cheney ran the alien holding cells and people talked to the pilots telepathically,” it forces a choice. Either you treat him as a serious intelligence officer who keeps getting fed real compartmented information, or you treat him as a guy who has fully absorbed the lore and is now repeating the most cinematic version of it. Attached File |
 THEY DID NOT WANT THIS STORY OUT |
 "God is sending you SIGNS" | 11:11 & Synchronicity |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: This world is fixing to become a much better place. I’ve really been wondering just how exactly they were planning on powering all these AI centers that devour as much energy as the entire country produces in a year alone for nearly each center and it’s not by those little containerized nuke plants.
THE ENERGY THEY’VE BEEN HIDING JUST GOT A PUBLIC FACE ⚡ DOE dropped “FUSION: ENERGY WITHOUT LIMITS” today. Stars fuse nuclei under insane heat and pressure. We can now recreate that reaction on Earth. That glowing plasma torus in their own graphics looks a lot like the energy signatures reported around certain craft for decades. Unlimited clean energy. No fossil fuels. No grid constraints. Exactly the kind of power source that would let something ignore gravity, atmosphere, and distance the way so many UAP do. They’re rolling it out under the “energy without limits” banner. The question isn’t whether fusion works. It’s who figured it out first… and how long they’ve known. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/66B6D64B-A9F2-4512-A5F1-08924A49FB2A_jpe-3812267.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/ECE1FB22-5142-4780-9CB9-B41F62F3E362_jpe-3812268.JPG Fits in with this, people appear to be shocked, came out of nowhere?  It's Happening - Europe is Building an Impossible Fusion Reactor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPUAKW1Dyek |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Borland’s personal plea video |
| I could be completely wrong about this but, I think our first contact with NHI is not going to be with ET but with sentient humanoid robots as a test to see how we get along with them roaming our world. And that is going to happen much sooner than we expect because no doubt they are just around the corner if they don’t already exist. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I could be completely wrong about this but, I think our first contact with NHI is not going to be with ET but with sentient humanoid robots as a test to see how we get along with them roaming our world. And that is going to happen much sooner than we expect because no doubt they are just around the corner if they don’t already exist. The earliest things humans from all over the world recorded were contact with NHI |