Originally Posted By Kharn:

My wife says "it isn't worth explaining" to me about what evidence convinced her the husband did it and why she believes that once she's found not guilty (not due to lack of criminal responsibility, completely not guilty), the judge will announce the husband's charges and his trial will immediately begin.
TikTok programming is real.

Originally Posted By xd341:
its scary as fuck actually.

let's summarize the situation.  woman with mental health issues kills her 3 children after sending her husband on an errand, then tries to kill herself.  Gets arrested, case gets investigated, charges filed, I assume a grand jury indicted her, her legal team doesn't deny she did it, she doesn't deny she did it, there is no credible evidence anyone else did it, yet primarily women that are social media users, primarily tik tok have constructed an entire narrative making her the victim and the husband the killer.  

We're not disagreeing with evidence presented by one side or the other.  Its not a "the glove don't fit" situation. Thats just normal criminal jury trial stuff. Nobody is presenting the husband as the killer in court as a way to create reasonable doubt, there is no reasonable doubt as to who the killer is.

This is an entire narrative that no one involved in the case is presenting.  This is a social media invention. Not an element of a structured legal argument.

The legal argument is over how long she goes away for, and in what type of institution.  Guilt is not the legal question in the actual real world.  

Yet, women have been mentally captured by what I can only safely assume is an intentional influence operation, a psyop.

if that is the case, a social media campaign is manipulating the bedrock structure of our legal system, which is a foundational element of a stable, safe(ish) and productive society.


Gee I wonder who would want to see the American society crumble?

This is a sociological five alarm fire. A house divided against itself, cannot stand.

Originally Posted By MK3110:


Completely different. Special forces were totally raiding servers in Germany uncovering verifiable election fraud and Hillary's diabolical plans to eat aborted fetuses while our Savior ran the government from the shadows. It'll all come to light when the Iran War ends in just two more weeks.

Originally Posted By LineOfDeparture:


Correct.

This is very much a concerted effort to capitalize on prior efforts to fr a cure the population along various lines. It's working quite well.

Originally Posted By Kharn:
The husband and his new wife were caught by paparazzi in NYC yesterday and the pictures are on Fox News, etc.
She's heavily pregnant, which is going to launch TikTok conspiracy morons to the moon.

Originally Posted By Action45:
After seeing the common woman’s reaction to this trial, I’m now fully convinced that they shouldn’t be allowed to vote

Originally Posted By Action45:
After seeing the common woman's reaction to this trial, I'm now fully convinced that they shouldn't be allowed to vote

Originally Posted By Some_Beach:
The pattern of women being brainwashed over this whole thing is startling and concerning. I don't understand why this whole thing resonates with them, other than perhaps the liberal media is framing the news to push the agenda (highly likely). But the fact that a significant number of women have succumbed and aligned is very concerning for society as a whole.

Originally Posted By Graksnor:

I know a lot of women that struggled with mental health issues that weren't taken seriously and felt trapped and isolated, often with shitty husbands who didn't support them. I suspect that is the part of the tiktok narrative that they resonate with.

But as the sane women I know all points out... They didn't then kill their children.

That's the part I can't seem to get my head around.

I was a father with a job up all night weeks in a row with colicky babies trying to get them back to sleep. I remember being up at night walking back and forth while they cried, exhausted, trials in the morning, several nights in a row. I remember dark thoughts crossing my mind.

I'm aware of another guy who, in the same situation, smacked his baby into the wall, killing it.

I get what he was going through. It's tough.  You still can't kill your kids. I figured we were all on the same page here.

That guy got like 60 years.

Originally Posted By jmb9:
This case shows you social media ruined women.

Originally Posted By Kharn:

My wife says "it isn't worth explaining" to me about what evidence convinced her the husband did it and why she believes that once she's found not guilty (not due to lack of criminal responsibility, completely not guilty), the judge will announce the husband's charges and his trial will immediately begin.
TikTok programming is real.

Originally Posted By jmb9:
This case shows you social media ruined women.

Originally Posted By 74novaman:


Voluntary association on the internet absolutely pushes all of us further into a "niche" than we would arrive at ourselves if we only encountered neighbors and people who lived in close proximity with other interests.  

What were your opinions on gun laws/gun rights when you first joined Arfcom?  
Do you own more or less guns than when you joined?  
We have self selected and radicalized by being here, if we are going to be honest with ourselves.  I certainly have.  

Where that self selection of peers gets really dangerous is on X/Instagram/TikTok etc, because unlike a forum like this where you have to self select what topics and areas of the site you choose to engage with, the algorithms designed to keep you surfing their site will continue to try and show you things that keep your attention.  And if you expose yourself to a lot of really narcissistic, harmful stuff like videos of women crying about how hard it is to be a parent....you're going to see more and more and more of it until that feels natural and normal to you.  

I think the whole transgender stuff exploded when it did for the exact same reason this dingbat psycho piece of shit has supporters outside the courthouse: because some people really respond strongly to finding a group that will reinforce and approve of their degenerate behavior that normal society and their families would not tolerate.  

I guarantee most of the tiktok criers only post shit like that on TikTok where their self selected, reinforcing group will give positive attention for it, and wouldn't dare display their awful behavior on, say, facebook where their mother and cousins would see it.

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


It's been a while but iirc it takes between 5 and 8 minutes to actually strangle someone to death.

A person can be knocked out in a few seconds but actually killing them takes a while.

Originally Posted By 74novaman:


Yeah.  I know, and I agree.   I wasn't even remotely trying to say "we are the same".   My very first post on this thread was "she should be put down like a rabid dog and for the same reason".  

My only point was how self selection of what kind of content you consume is what led to the insane supporters this monster has, because they consume "motherhood is hard, i hate my kids, woe is me" slop like we consume arguments about G triggers vs the MBT.  It's hard for us to understand how she has supporters, but social media is 100% responsible for the phenomenon.  

Originally Posted By xd341:
So it took her at least 15 and as much as 24 minutes to kill all her children.   The fear they must have felt.

Originally Posted By JestersHK:
I'm approaching this as I am fully aware I do not 100% know all the facts of this case.

I'd like to know a few things and would like to understand or see proof of the following.

When officers arrived on scene was the father ever questioned on why they found 2 dead children and a 3rd almost dead along with a woman who appeared to have jumped,  fallen, or thrown from a window? If so was there ever body cam footage of these interactions? If I was an officer responding I'd definitely want to approach things as if this could be anything from a domestic assault to a home invasion, to her murdering her kids. Did they question any of the above scenarios or jump right to man this mom must of killed the kids and jumped out the window.

Was there not an autopsy of the children?  Even 5 year old can cause defensive wounds to an assailant. What evidence existed that they deemed it wasn't necessary to determine exact cause and time of death for a crime that potentially had no witnesses or a witness who was crazy enough to attempt to take her own life and jump out a window.

Was the husband ever suspected at all in the beginning when the murders first happened and if so was the jury shown evidence of this questioning?

Was the husband's alibi, and phone and computer forensic ever shown to the jury?

These are all allegations on why the conspiracy theories are running rampant on social media.

Me personally I believe she killed her kids while suffering from PPD which I've experienced 1st hand as my wife suffered through it with our middle child.  It's not a made up condition and if anything the amount of drugs and different types she was prescribed is pretty crazy and deserves it's own scrutiny of how she was treated.

My wife who is farther right and conservative  than even I am and also a nurse has gone all in on this trial and she and I have had rational conversations on what we believe or don't believe, but she definitely feels there are allot of unanswered questions in this case and how it was handled and that there are some pretty glaring signs that we're not getting the full story with the husband.

There are 3 instances in particular where the husband's testimony contradicts itself.  There are questions like those listed above if the answers were there it would shut down all the dumb social media tiktok shit.

The father testified she told him she was having thoughts about killing the children, why did he not take that seriously given all the signs and medication she was on? Removing those kids from someone who says they are going to harm them seems logical no?

At the end of the day those kids are all dead and likely experienced an unimaginable terrible death.  Were there guard rails or guidance in place to help prevent this?  Apparently not enough.

Originally Posted By JestersHK:
I'm approaching this as I am fully aware I do not 100% know all the facts of this case.

I'd like to know a few things and would like to understand or see proof of the following.

When officers arrived on scene was the father ever questioned on why they found 2 dead children and a 3rd almost dead along with a woman who appeared to have jumped,  fallen, or thrown from a window? If so was there ever body cam footage of these interactions? If I was an officer responding I'd definitely want to approach things as if this could be anything from a domestic assault to a home invasion, to her murdering her kids. Did they question any of the above scenarios or jump right to man this mom must of killed the kids and jumped out the window.

Was there not an autopsy of the children?  Even 5 year old can cause defensive wounds to an assailant. What evidence existed that they deemed it wasn't necessary to determine exact cause and time of death for a crime that potentially had no witnesses or a witness who was crazy enough to attempt to take her own life and jump out a window.

Was the husband ever suspected at all in the beginning when the murders first happened and if so was the jury shown evidence of this questioning?

Was the husband's alibi, and phone and computer forensic ever shown to the jury?

These are all allegations on why the conspiracy theories are running rampant on social media.

Me personally I believe she killed her kids while suffering from PPD which I've experienced 1st hand as my wife suffered through it with our middle child.  It's not a made up condition and if anything the amount of drugs and different types she was prescribed is pretty crazy and deserves it's own scrutiny of how she was treated.

My wife who is farther right and conservative  than even I am and also a nurse has gone all in on this trial and she and I have had rational conversations on what we believe or don't believe, but she definitely feels there are allot of unanswered questions in this case and how it was handled and that there are some pretty glaring signs that we're not getting the full story with the husband.

There are 3 instances in particular where the husband's testimony contradicts itself.  There are questions like those listed above if the answers were there it would shut down all the dumb social media tiktok shit.

The father testified she told him she was having thoughts about killing the children, why did he not take that seriously given all the signs and medication she was on? Removing those kids from someone who says they are going to harm them seems logical no?

At the end of the day those kids are all dead and likely experienced an unimaginable terrible death.  Were there guard rails or guidance in place to help prevent this?  Apparently not enough.

Originally Posted By JestersHK:
I'm approaching this as I am fully aware I do not 100% know all the facts of this case.

I'd like to know a few things and would like to understand or see proof of the following.

When officers arrived on scene was the father ever questioned on why they found 2 dead children and a 3rd almost dead along with a woman who appeared to have jumped,  fallen, or thrown from a window? If so was there ever body cam footage of these interactions? If I was an officer responding I'd definitely want to approach things as if this could be anything from a domestic assault to a home invasion, to her murdering her kids. Did they question any of the above scenarios or jump right to man this mom must of killed the kids and jumped out the window.

Was there not an autopsy of the children?  Even 5 year old can cause defensive wounds to an assailant. What evidence existed that they deemed it wasn't necessary to determine exact cause and time of death for a crime that potentially had no witnesses or a witness who was crazy enough to attempt to take her own life and jump out a window.

Was the husband ever suspected at all in the beginning when the murders first happened and if so was the jury shown evidence of this questioning?

Was the husband's alibi, and phone and computer forensic ever shown to the jury?

These are all allegations on why the conspiracy theories are running rampant on social media.

Me personally I believe she killed her kids while suffering from PPD which I've experienced 1st hand as my wife suffered through it with our middle child.  It's not a made up condition and if anything the amount of drugs and different types she was prescribed is pretty crazy and deserves it's own scrutiny of how she was treated.

My wife who is farther right and conservative  than even I am and also a nurse has gone all in on this trial and she and I have had rational conversations on what we believe or don't believe, but she definitely feels there are allot of unanswered questions in this case and how it was handled and that there are some pretty glaring signs that we're not getting the full story with the husband.

There are 3 instances in particular where the husband's testimony contradicts itself.  There are questions like those listed above if the answers were there it would shut down all the dumb social media tiktok shit.

The father testified she told him she was having thoughts about killing the children, why did he not take that seriously given all the signs and medication she was on? Removing those kids from someone who says they are going to harm them seems logical no?

At the end of the day those kids are all dead and likely experienced an unimaginable terrible death.  Were there guard rails or guidance in place to help prevent this?  Apparently not enough.

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:


LOL